DUST Search - My idea for a solution to the Red Line issue.

Royalgiedro wrote:

Ar Lan wrote:

There have been quite a few ideas about how to improve the red-line and all the issues that arise from it's existence. Some ideas--that I shall not go into, while being very inventive, could cause very serious issues with the client and server sides of the software,(i.e rendering those whom have slightly slower connections unable to play the game).

Therefore, I propose that we should just scrap the idea of a red-line all together and just have a massive force field descend from the bottom of each MCC all the way to the ground beneath them. And if you want a spawn point on the ground you have to hack a special building where the town spawn would be and then a smaller force field is erected around that or just use the random CRU's provided and spawn pads.

If you want to take the other teams town spawn you have to bombard it's force field with rail and/or missile tanks until it collapses and then your team can hack the console inside. This would eliminate a need for the red-line as well as making a battle a little more dynamic.

There will be those of you worried about being deprived of CRUs or supply depots at said town spawns, which in most cases Tankers more-often-than-not tend to destroy at the beginning of the match anyway. Which as we all know results in neither side having any of the aforementioned infrastructural elements thereby creating an intense reliance on spawn pads, nanohives, and the MCC, at least in most matches I've been in.

But worry not, for if we were to have the ability to call down our own infrastructural elements (i.e. CRUs,Turret Installations,Supply Depots, as I've read might be coming anyway) this might alleviate your concerns in this regard.

Or a module could be created that will allow any vehicle, that can afford to equip it, the ability to become a mobile supply depot in much the same way as Tankers and Dropship pilots equip the mobile CRU module, now.

If you add your new "redline" feature, proto stomping will be SO MUCH WORSE! The enemy team would just blow up the force field and camp the victimized team. They would just circle the mini field and the instant someone leaves they would die.

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Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 1	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:47:00 - [1] - Quote There have been quite a few ideas about how to improve the red-line and all the issues that arise from it's existence. Some ideas--that I shall not go into, while being very inventive, could cause very serious issues with the client and server sides of the software,(i.e rendering those whom have slightly slower connections unable to play the game). Therefore, I propose that we should just scrap the idea of a red-line all together and just have a massive force field descend from the bottom of each MCC all the way to the ground beneath them. And if you want a spawn point on the ground you have to hack a special building where the town spawn would be and then a smaller force field is erected around that or just use the random CRU's provided and spawn pads. If you want to take the other teams town spawn you have to bombard it's force field with rail and missile tanks until it collapses and then your team can hack the console inside. This would eliminate a need for the red-line as well as making a battle a little more dynamic. There will be those of you worried about being deprived of CRUs or supply depots at said town spawns, which in most cases Tankers more-often-than-not tend to destroy at the beginning of the match anyway. Which as we all know results in neither side having any of the aforementioned infrastructural elements thereby creating an intense reliance on spawn pads, nanohives, and the MCC, at least in most matches I've been in. But worry not, for if we were to have the ability to call down our own infrastructural elements (i.e. CRUs,Turret Installations,Supply Depots, as I've read might be coming anyway) this might alleviate your concerns in this regard. Or a module could be created that will allow any vehicle, that can afford to equip it, the ability to become a mobile supply depot in much the same way as Tankers and Dropship pilots equip the mobile CRU module, now. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven 429	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:44:00 - [2] - Quote The redline should be a place where you can't drop your own equipment. The mcc should have turrets that you have automatically kill enemies nearby, or it can be used to shoot that guy with a railgun or sniper shooting into the spawn. Enemies near the mcc and ground base should be constantly scanned. Warpoints won't be earned inside the enemy redline being that you're leaving the district vulnerable. For vehicles they could be shut down completely until the enemy team hacks it, or it explodes. All of this will make the redline feel more realistic than it is. You're idea reminds me of starhawk where you would deploy a forcefield in the center of you're base that can be destroyed. I also like that mobile supply depot idea. It sounds like it could be a nice medium frame vehicle. SoundCloud Recruiter Link Pronounced Grim-e-urs
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2159	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:57:00 - [3] - Quote The redline "problems" are a symptom, not a disease. Treat the disease. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
JAMES1257 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2014.02.28 15:00:00 - [4] - Quote if they do the force field and a team is getting stomped then the team will then keep going in and out of spawn building. Sver True Blood
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 28	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:38:00 - [5] - Quote the problem with the redline is that it is to big on some maps and rewards trolls for getting safe kills the idea of the force field is a really good idea and would open the battle field to a more exiting game play. on the force field their needs to be a timer that last from 1 minute to 3 minutes that prevents some one from getting their kills and running back to the safety of the spawn area. another solution would be to have the first hit they get have them constantly lit up for the other team to see exactly were they are the hits after that apply a stacking 100% damage vulnerability debuff and a stacking 10% debuff to their weapon damage. now to help get players out of being redlined they could get a Immunity buff that last for about 30 seconds along with their called in vehicles so that they can get out of the redline and set up some were else this would instantly be removed upon firing their weapons or activating remote explosives.
killertojo42 Sardaukar Merc Guild 34	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote I like the idea but the force field should be more like a star wars shield ( like the battle of naboo shield not ray shields ) or halo bubble shield, both teams can enter or exit it but can't fire through it, you won't want to go through it if you're the wrong team but you can quickly chase any person trying to run in to or hide in When walking on the battlefield i stand alone
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 1	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:37:00 - [7] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: The redline "problems" are a symptom, not a disease. Treat the disease. Nice quip, but do actually have any suggestions of your own to add to this discussion. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 2	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:52:00 - [8] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: The redline should be a place where you can't drop your own equipment. The mcc should have turrets that you have automatically kill enemies nearby, or it can be used to shoot that guy with a railgun or sniper shooting into the spawn. Enemies near the mcc and ground base should be constantly scanned. Warpoints won't be earned inside the enemy redline being that you're leaving the district vulnerable. For vehicles they could be shut down completely until the enemy team hacks it, or it explodes. All of this will make the redline feel more realistic than it is. You're idea reminds me of starhawk where you would deploy a forcefield in the center of you're base that can be destroyed. I also like that mobile supply depot idea. It sounds like it could be a nice medium frame vehicle. Good suggestion, but some of it would require a lot of back and forth for the client and server sides of the software which would bog down datalines, (i.e. anything that requires determination of reward or punishment by the software). Not having a safe zone to drop equipment would leave everyone vulnerable to some rail-gunning **** sitting in the middle of the map instead of on the edge of the red-line. I do like the idea of the MCC blapping anyone who get too close, serves them right, but I'm not entirely certain I'd trust any A.I. they could program. Given how wonderfully Scotty and A.I. installations have worked thus far. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 2	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:10:00 - [9] - Quote killertojo42 wrote: I like the idea but the force field should be more like a star wars shield ( like the battle of naboo shield not ray shields ) or halo bubble shield, both teams can enter or exit it but can't fire through it, you won't want to go through it if you're the wrong team but you can quickly chase any person trying to run in to or hide in I love star wars too. But, no one being able to fire through the shield creates the situation where proto-stompers could corner the weaker team, effectively trapping them inside the force field/s, just waiting outside their perimeter for the first fool to try and exit(i.e. force field camping, much like red-line camping is now). Instead the force fields should behave more like they do in Planetside 2. Allowing the team that owns the force field to fire out, thereby making camping the perimeter of it suicide. I feel this would eliminate camping of this sort. Also, they should only allow the owning team to enter. We do need some kind of safe haven after all. Allowing hard hitting tanks to be the only means by which to knock down the force field/s creates a certain need for team work adding some much needed dynamics to the gameplay experience. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 2	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:18:00 - [10] - Quote JAMES1257 wrote: if they do the force field and a team is getting stomped then the team will then keep going in and out of spawn building. I get where your coming from, but I seriously doubt anyone is just going to hang around the town spawns if they want to at least try and win a match. If they don't screw them because your most likely going to win. James1257 I'm sure your a very nice person, but probably not since your in STB. Down with Sver True Blood. Down with the Public Disorder Alliance. You pub-stomping, eternally district locked dicks. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.

Royalgiedro Nor Clan Combat Logistics 7	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:33:00 - [11] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: There have been quite a few ideas about how to improve the red-line and all the issues that arise from it's existence. Some ideas--that I shall not go into, while being very inventive, could cause very serious issues with the client and server sides of the software,(i.e rendering those whom have slightly slower connections unable to play the game). Therefore, I propose that we should just scrap the idea of a red-line all together and just have a massive force field descend from the bottom of each MCC all the way to the ground beneath them. And if you want a spawn point on the ground you have to hack a special building where the town spawn would be and then a smaller force field is erected around that or just use the random CRU's provided and spawn pads. If you want to take the other teams town spawn you have to bombard it's force field with rail and/or missile tanks until it collapses and then your team can hack the console inside. This would eliminate a need for the red-line as well as making a battle a little more dynamic. There will be those of you worried about being deprived of CRUs or supply depots at said town spawns, which in most cases Tankers more-often-than-not tend to destroy at the beginning of the match anyway. Which as we all know results in neither side having any of the aforementioned infrastructural elements thereby creating an intense reliance on spawn pads, nanohives, and the MCC, at least in most matches I've been in. But worry not, for if we were to have the ability to call down our own infrastructural elements (i.e. CRUs,Turret Installations,Supply Depots, as I've read might be coming anyway) this might alleviate your concerns in this regard. Or a module could be created that will allow any vehicle, that can afford to equip it, the ability to become a mobile supply depot in much the same way as Tankers and Dropship pilots equip the mobile CRU module, now. If you add your new "redline" feature, proto stomping will be SO MUCH WORSE! The enemy team would just blow up the force field and camp the victimized team. They would just circle the mini field and the instant someone leaves they would die.
MRBH1997 Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 70	Posted - 2014.03.01 04:57:00 - [12] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: The redline should be a place where you can't drop your own equipment. The mcc should have turrets that you have automatically kill enemies nearby, or it can be used to shoot that guy with a railgun or sniper shooting into the spawn. Enemies near the mcc and ground base should be constantly scanned. Warpoints won't be earned inside the enemy redline being that you're leaving the district vulnerable. For vehicles they could be shut down completely until the enemy team hacks it, or it explodes. All of this will make the redline feel more realistic than it is. You're idea reminds me of starhawk where you would deploy a forcefield in the center of you're base that can be destroyed. I also like that mobile supply depot idea. It sounds like it could be a nice medium frame vehicle. Loved Starhawk, played it, top 100 players if not #1 in it. Now back on topic, I fell the only redline that should exist is one no one can go into. The pre existing team redlined should just be heavily fortified at the town spawn which should be like an other normal outpost but harder to take from another team. Then to the idea of a shield below the MCC, what should happen is that once a MCC is in orbit it deployed a device that omits a shield bubble so big that can be disabled and destroyed if one person can get close to the shields generator. The shield should only prevent vehicle entry so enemy infantry can engage friendly troops and vehicles and installations so redlining is a greater achievement. Now to the installation idea, their could be a skill tree that allows you to purchase and call in installations. Some other skills involved could be the amount of health they have or decrease heat build up and increase turn speed. These skills could aid the support role of the game and would put a use to the installations section of the deployment screen. CEO of Knights of Ender Corporation Website: http://koe.shivtr.com Public Channel: Knights of Ender Public
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 4	Posted - 2014.03.01 08:14:00 - [13] - Quote Royalgiedro wrote: Ar Lan wrote: There have been quite a few ideas about how to improve the red-line and all the issues that arise from it's existence. Some ideas--that I shall not go into, while being very inventive, could cause very serious issues with the client and server sides of the software,(i.e rendering those whom have slightly slower connections unable to play the game). Therefore, I propose that we should just scrap the idea of a red-line all together and just have a massive force field descend from the bottom of each MCC all the way to the ground beneath them. And if you want a spawn point on the ground you have to hack a special building where the town spawn would be and then a smaller force field is erected around that or just use the random CRU's provided and spawn pads. If you want to take the other teams town spawn you have to bombard it's force field with rail and/or missile tanks until it collapses and then your team can hack the console inside. This would eliminate a need for the red-line as well as making a battle a little more dynamic. There will be those of you worried about being deprived of CRUs or supply depots at said town spawns, which in most cases Tankers more-often-than-not tend to destroy at the beginning of the match anyway. Which as we all know results in neither side having any of the aforementioned infrastructural elements thereby creating an intense reliance on spawn pads, nanohives, and the MCC, at least in most matches I've been in. But worry not, for if we were to have the ability to call down our own infrastructural elements (i.e. CRUs,Turret Installations,Supply Depots, as I've read might be coming anyway) this might alleviate your concerns in this regard. Or a module could be created that will allow any vehicle, that can afford to equip it, the ability to become a mobile supply depot in much the same way as Tankers and Dropship pilots equip the mobile CRU module, now. If you add your new "redline" feature, proto stomping will be SO MUCH WORSE! The enemy team would just blow up the force field and camp the victimized team. They would just circle the mini field and the instant someone leaves they would die. Firstly, the only force field that can be knocked down would be the one at the town spawn, the one that the MCC produces would be invincible for obvious reasons. Secondly, if anyone is dumb enough to spawn in where they know full well enemies are camping they deserve to be spawn camped. Thirdly, apparently you didn't read what I posted further down the thread. Ar Lan wrote: Instead the force fields should behave more like they do in Planetside 2. Allowing the team that owns the force field to fire out, thereby making camping the perimeter of it suicide. I feel this would eliminate camping of this sort. Also, they should only allow the owning team to enter. We do need some kind of safe haven after all. Lastly, in order to prevent people from just sitting in the force field surrounded areas and sniping people from there it could be coded to where every kill attained within a force field gains no war points and won't even count in your k/d/r or in the k/d/r of the person you killed. Problem solved. Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.
Aggrohim Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:06:00 - [14] - Quote Ok well first off I just bought the Ultimate Edition of Starhawk and I love it cuz of the spitscreen.. And its a good idea for the forcefield but I think that implementing the smartspawn like in Ambush would be better because you wouldn't get camped like normal LvL 5 Combat Rifle // 5.0 mil SP // Amar Logi
Aggrohim Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:21:00 - [15] - Quote Btw Ar Lan isn't kidding about taking ur Thales ..He has !174! Thales in all the sizes and Colors ..So yea ya better watch your back. NO JOKE!!! LvL 5 Combat Rifle // 5.0 mil SP // Amar Logi `Knights OF Ender are Recruiting`
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2187	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote Ar Lan wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The redline "problems" are a symptom, not a disease. Treat the disease. Nice quip, but do actually have any suggestions of your own to add to this discussion. This is like the 4th thread this week about this nonsense, so you'll have to excuse my brevity. I'll give you one. FIX MATCHMAKING. /thread "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
BreathSaver DUST University Ivy League 14	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:35:00 - [17] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Ar Lan wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The redline "problems" are a symptom, not a disease. Treat the disease. Nice quip, but do actually have any suggestions of your own to add to this discussion. This is like the 4th thread this week about this nonsense, so you'll have to excuse my brevity. Since you asked, I'll give you one. FIX MATCHMAKING. /thread Quess what NOBODY CARES WHAT U THINK!! Alt of Aggrohim of Knights Of Ender
X7 lion Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 129	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote all for it, aslong as a team is garentede one invulnerable spawn (mcc) that neither of them cant shoot through it would solve the issue nicely I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2189	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:03:00 - [19] - Quote BreathSaver wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Ar Lan wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The redline "problems" are a symptom, not a disease. Treat the disease. Nice quip, but do actually have any suggestions of your own to add to this discussion. This is like the 4th thread this week about this nonsense, so you'll have to excuse my brevity. Since you asked, I'll give you one. FIX MATCHMAKING. /thread Quess what NOBODY CARES WHAT U THINK!! He did, in fact, ask me. So... There's that. But hey, you guys go ahead and keep worrying about the trees and not the forest, there's nothing more I need to add here. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
abarkrishna WarRavens 329	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:38:00 - [20] - Quote The solution is much simpler than this. It's so ******* simple. Put buildings around the redline preventing tanks and snipers from being able to see any objective. Can't be a scrub and hide in the redline if you can not see anything to kill them. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!

Aggrohim Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 20	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:08:00 - [21] - Quote Btw John I was trolling and that's a good idea to just make it so that they cant redline snipe LvL 5 Combat Rifle // 5.0 mil SP // Amar Logi `Knights OF Ender are Recruiting`
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion League of Infamy 343	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:32:00 - [22] - Quote Remove all rewards from players in the redline. No warpoints, no recorded kills. Remove the redline from PC (and maybe FW).
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 73	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:37:00 - [23] - Quote the redline 'issue' isnt really an isuue. the redline is there to stop spawn campers. the lowest kind of soldier in the galaxy of New Eden. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Ar Lan Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 16	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:20:00 - [24] - Quote bump Go ahead and snipe me. I'm gonna add another Thale's to my collection.


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