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Chuckles Brown 184	Posted - 2014.02.28 07:16:00 - [1] - Quote So, PC comes down to who can buy the better ringer crew. 3 ef'n teams run the show in MH. We all know who they are. I understand every alliance has a Strong Arm corp in it, and it seems they do most of the fighting on behalf of their brethren. All alliances are built around one super corp it seems. This has created a narrow field for MH. You have the corps.alliances that are so good at what they do it just down inexplicably ridiculous. You have the corps that are good in their own right, but when compared to the big 3, it seems they just suck. This creates mercs jumping to one of the Big 3. So, how is a new corp supposed to form from scratch and reach the endgame? How do decent players every get a chance to get into the Big 3 if the bar is escalating; when if they were given a chance in one of the super corps/alliances, they would no doubt improve just be association. If a corp starts from the ground up, like many on PFC right now have, they still will never bust into MH because anoyone they put pressure on will just call upon one of the Big 3 to rid them. This may get me into hot water, but its the best example I can think of. When I was in 0.H, we attacked a DDB district. 2 matches, we took all but 90 clones from them. They had like almost 500 to begin with. They were just getting manhandled. Now, DDB is not a bad corp, but against what 0.H was employing things just didn't line up for them. 0.H had the better teams going into those matches. So, when it came time for the flip... guess who shows up and puts a stop to 0.H in a hurry.... The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2014.02.28 07:27:00 - [2] - Quote It's the way everyone predicted it would be back in closed beta. Not enough land to go around - so it's limiting to how many powers can exist at once. If you look at Dust's history - after the original conflicts ended only 3 real alliances ever stood standing with real land holdings at once. Nothings changed.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2444	Posted - 2014.02.28 07:51:00 - [3] - Quote Not enough land is bullshit excuses. The problem is that not everyone has the stomach for PC the same way lots of Eve doesn't have the stomach to deal with the stress, politics, and constant nature of SOV. Constant fighting wears you down if you only have one elite team. Happened to OH. AE managed to keep the pieces together while holding out but they had a lot for players at that level they could swap in...OH for w/e reason relied on it's a-team which led to a bunch of them burning out. Facilitating corps getting into PC by, for example, relaxing or maintaining the price of clone packs while providing more clones in the pack (150 with perhaps an option to buy 300) would help a lot. The thing about building a corp is you need to inspire people to follow you and then you have to find enough help to consistently field a team. Most corps struggle getting enough members interested in PC, or stuggle with recruiting enough players to have a consistent team on, while leading them in learning to love dust514 or their community or w/e keeps you active and playing. No small feat. Just as I built FA I could go to another corp and build it the same way...simply looking for talent in the pubs and selling a vision of how i'm going to get them into PC. That's not to say I'm some great recruiter (though I am pretty damn good), more simply that it doesn't have to be the big three. There's enough talent in LoI or CI so make a 4th...Hell NF requires OSG's help to be where they are at much of the time. The problem is simply one of motivation. Do you want it bad enough. And will you make the sacrifices to get there. I did. It's not impossible. It just took me a month. <3 Immagine if you were actually a charismatic leader who didn't need to chuck nades to be relevant!? o.O Side note: We're probably not part of the 'big three' and thus all of this is irrelevant. Apologies. CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2014.02.28 07:59:00 - [4] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Hell NF requires OSG's help to be where they are at much of the time. Can I get this explained to me? How did you come to this conclusion?
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2444	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:01:00 - [5] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Hell NF requires OSG's help to be where they are at much of the time. Can I get this explained to me? How did you come to this conclusion? Umm...well i dunno every match i see you're using OSG help...primarily SGT Nipples, Navi, Mudflaps, and Waffle. I suppose i'm to believe OSG doesn't ring with you on many of your matches? If you didn't need them why use them? YOu sit your own people to play 4 people from another corp? CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:07:00 - [6] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Hell NF requires OSG's help to be where they are at much of the time. Can I get this explained to me? How did you come to this conclusion? Umm...well i dunno every match i see you're using OSG help...primarily SGT Nipples, Navi, Mudflaps, and Waffle. I suppose i'm to believe OSG doesn't ring with you on many of your matches? If you didn't need them why use them? YOu sit your own people to play 4 people from another corp? Ah, I see. You know, I hadn't given them much thought. They just kinda fit in so well, lol. Them OSG guys sure got some talent. Nipples has been my favorite logi since Wolfca, and Waffle beasted in PC today. :D NF rooster keeps improving too <3
Prangstar RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 215	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:42:00 - [7] - Quote I glared through this topic as there was too much text. All I read was nipples That handsome guy > He's not black, he's a snowflake RND website
Chuckles Brown 184	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:52:00 - [8] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. Finding players that are good enough to take on bada** corps is hard to do, considering they can just join said corp instead of trying to see a vision down the road. You had a history in this game, and have made connections, so you were able to pick up good players because of it. I don't know anyone in your corp that is an "unknown" prior to joining. Even your 'lesser' players I knew of. Perhaps, because I play really close attention to things like that in this game. Here's an honest question. Because I applied to FA back in the day, you rejected my app (no, not upset about it in the slightest, especially since it was like 3 months ago) Was my app rejected because of my stats? Was it rejected because I didn't have a referral, or some people told you I wasn't good enough? Was it rejected because I was 'unknown' to you? I know when I look at apps, the first thing I do is ask other directors "who is this player"? Because reputation matters to me. Since I remember lots of names in this game and can categorize them as good or bad, I base a lot of recruiting decisions on it. Names trigger in my brain, and if a name doesn't trigger, then I equate that they must not be that good. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
iTbagyou Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 221	Posted - 2014.02.28 09:57:00 - [9] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. Finding players that are good enough to take on bada** corps is hard to do, considering they can just join said corp instead of trying to see a vision down the road. You had a history in this game, and have made connections, so you were able to pick up good players because of it. I don't know anyone in your corp that is an "unknown" prior to joining. Even your 'lesser' players I knew of. Perhaps, because I play really close attention to things like that in this game. Here's an honest question. Because I applied to FA back in the day, you rejected my app (no, not upset about it in the slightest, especially since it was like 3 months ago) Was my app rejected because of my stats? Was it rejected because I didn't have a referral, or some people told you I wasn't good enough? Was it rejected because I was 'unknown' to you? I know when I look at apps, the first thing I do is ask other directors "who is this player"? Because reputation matters to me. Since I remember lots of names in this game and can categorize them as good or bad, I base a lot of recruiting decisions on it. Names trigger in my brain, and if a name doesn't trigger, then I equate that they must not be that good. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. I was unknown before and after joining. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 2510	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:12:00 - [10] - Quote iTbagyou wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. Finding players that are good enough to take on bada** corps is hard to do, considering they can just join said corp instead of trying to see a vision down the road. You had a history in this game, and have made connections, so you were able to pick up good players because of it. I don't know anyone in your corp that is an "unknown" prior to joining. Even your 'lesser' players I knew of. Perhaps, because I play really close attention to things like that in this game. Here's an honest question. Because I applied to FA back in the day, you rejected my app (no, not upset about it in the slightest, especially since it was like 3 months ago) Was my app rejected because of my stats? Was it rejected because I didn't have a referral, or some people told you I wasn't good enough? Was it rejected because I was 'unknown' to you? I know when I look at apps, the first thing I do is ask other directors "who is this player"? Because reputation matters to me. Since I remember lots of names in this game and can categorize them as good or bad, I base a lot of recruiting decisions on it. Names trigger in my brain, and if a name doesn't trigger, then I equate that they must not be that good. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. I was unknown before and after joining. I knew you man weRideNDie2getha since 2010

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 2510	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:19:00 - [11] - Quote Every corp in dust can compete in pc. But, of course, not every corp can beat the best corp(s). But honestly, that's why there are players willing to play for a fee. Building a corp for pc is no easy task and trying to keep your head above the water amongst giants is worse. The problem is good players stacking up in already elite corps tipping the balance in their favor. If you have competent players, the best bet is to push their competitive spirits to be the best they can be. And then to make your team even better by with superb teamwork and tactics. I've played in clan battles in a few other fps aside from dust and one thing that I can say is that for Dust.....strategy and teamwork is a big factor. It doesn't always boil down to gun game. An inferior gun game corp can beat a superior gun game corp if their tactics/teamwork and will to win is that much higher. Guys just have to want it. But in the case nothing works, you may need to hire a few players to help even the score and hold your district. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
iTbagyou Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 221	Posted - 2014.02.28 11:02:00 - [12] - Quote Yea dubbs, from mag and ringing while in R*. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2309	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:30:00 - [13] - Quote If I might add: Something I think that is really important in any corporation (especially in PC) is the nourishment and development of your ACE players. To me, your Star players, to the public, are a symbol of strength and stability. Now I am not saying they're the reason you win games. I myself would be nothing without the support my team provides. What I am saying is they represent your team from a outside appearance, and if used correctly can maintain and heighten morale. For example, when I am not QQing, asking for scans, or demanding uplinks; I try to compliment the players around me. aka Quote: "Damn Baby Slayer you just smashed that scrub" Now I don't know if my team is secretly saying STFU, or actually gains momentum. But I am still gonna do it Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1168	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:34:00 - [14] - Quote So I read the stopping point at 3 effn teams. My response, I'm selling socks. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2933	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:43:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: If I might add: Something I think that is really important in any corporation (especially in PC) is the nourishment and development of your ACE players. To me, your Star players, to the public, are a symbol of strength and stability. Now I am not saying they're the reason you win games. I myself would be nothing without the support my team provides. What I am saying is they represent your team from a outside appearance, and if used correctly can maintain and heighten morale. For example, when I am not QQing, asking for scans, or demanding uplinks; I try to compliment the players around me. aka Quote: "Damn Baby Slayer you just smashed that scrub" Now I don't know if my team is secretly saying STFU, or actually gains momentum. But I am still gonna do it actually that's when coms go silent so you can tell us the story from your perspective... all while we are pushing D en route to cloning out whomever You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2933	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:46:00 - [16] - Quote and as for OSG people playing with NF. our philosophy has changed, well, MINE at least. I used to be the poster child for things being my CORP, and when needed, we had alliance. now we have a channel, you can only get in from kane inviting you, and you are frisked, patted down, and your wife and kids are placed under 24 hour surveillance upon you entering. this channel is our 'corp' that's it. when others play matches with us, they are removed right after, and brought back in when used again etc etc. in those cases we just park an unmarked car outside their house for a spell, sometimes taking your kids to Chuck E Cheese while you are in match, cause we 'care' You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2455	Posted - 2014.02.28 19:06:00 - [17] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. Finding players that are good enough to take on bada corps is hard to do, considering they can just join said corp instead of trying to see a vision down the road. You had a history in this game, and have made connections, so you were able to pick up good players because of it. I don't know anyone in your corp that is an "unknown" prior to joining. Even your 'lesser' players I knew of. Perhaps, because I play really close attention to things like that in this game. Here's an honest question. Because I applied to FA back in the day, you rejected my app (no, not upset about it in the slightest, especially since it was like 3 months ago) Was my app rejected because of my stats? Was it rejected because I didn't have a referral, or some people told you I wasn't good enough? Was it rejected because I was 'unknown' to you? I know when I look at apps, the first thing I do is ask other directors "who is this player"? Because reputation matters to me. Since I remember lots of names in this game and can categorize them as good or bad, I base a lot of recruiting decisions on it. Names trigger in my brain, and if a name doesn't trigger, then I equate that they must not be that good. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. I did have a history with some players. But if you think much of my a-team had a *** clue who i was you're out of your mind. Frost Kitty had no *** clue who i was, neither did jenova, neither did ttw3, neither did xdreams, neither did remnancy, or Chances Ghost, or D4GG3R, or dwater, FabryX10, or mark bass, or MarasdF Loron, or psycho tanker, or wolfica, or a bunch of other of our players. You got rejected because you talk so much more than your gungame can back up. posts like this It's true that some people like joining while at the top. But people also like building ...I only went to TP because I WAS taking a chance...I had no *** clue who TP was...they weren't some amazing corp that ** on everyone...they'd won a small corp tourney that had 6 teams..and lost to my previous corp PFBHz...but I chose to go there and convinced my homies Spinner and ZDub and we helped build it up into what it became. CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Chuckles Brown 186	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:39:00 - [18] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. Finding players that are good enough to take on bada corps is hard to do, considering they can just join said corp instead of trying to see a vision down the road. You had a history in this game, and have made connections, so you were able to pick up good players because of it. I don't know anyone in your corp that is an "unknown" prior to joining. Even your 'lesser' players I knew of. Perhaps, because I play really close attention to things like that in this game. Here's an honest question. Because I applied to FA back in the day, you rejected my app (no, not upset about it in the slightest, especially since it was like 3 months ago) Was my app rejected because of my stats? Was it rejected because I didn't have a referral, or some people told you I wasn't good enough? Was it rejected because I was 'unknown' to you? I know when I look at apps, the first thing I do is ask other directors "who is this player"? Because reputation matters to me. Since I remember lots of names in this game and can categorize them as good or bad, I base a lot of recruiting decisions on it. Names trigger in my brain, and if a name doesn't trigger, then I equate that they must not be that good. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. I did have a history with some players. But if you think much of my a-team had a *** clue who i was you're out of your mind. Frost Kitty had no *** clue who i was, neither did jenova, neither did ttw3, neither did xdreams, neither did remnancy, or Chances Ghost, or D4GG3R, or dwater, FabryX10, or mark bass, or MarasdF Loron, or psycho tanker, or wolfica, or a bunch of other of our players. You got rejected because you talk so much more than your gungame can back up. posts like this It's true that some people like joining while at the top. But people also like building ...I only went to TP because I WAS taking a chance...I had no *** clue who TP was...they weren't some amazing corp that ** on everyone...they'd won a small corp tourney that had 6 teams..and lost to my previous corp PFBHz...but I chose to go there and convinced my homies Spinner and ZDub and we helped build it up into what it became. Holy blast from the past! The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
Patrick57 5592	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:44:00 - [19] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: When I was in 0.H, we attacked a DDB district. 2 matches, we took all but 90 clones from them. They had like almost 500 to begin with. They were just getting manhandled. Now, DDB is not a bad corp, but against what 0.H was employing things just didn't line up for them. 0.H had the better teams going into those matches. So, when it came time for the flip... guess who shows up and puts a stop to 0.H in a hurry.... AE, because DDB needs someone to carry them through PC just like Capital Acquisitions. i can haz gooder grammur
Patrick57 5592	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:46:00 - [20] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: now we have a channel, you can only get in from kane inviting you, and you are frisked, patted down, and your wife and kids are placed under 24 hour surveillance upon you entering. I was invited to that channel by Ken, does this mean I have to leave and prove myself worthy to get reinvited? :( i can haz gooder grammur

The Black Art Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 440	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:22:00 - [21] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: NF rooster keeps improving too <3 What is this rooster improving on? Sir Snugglz is a noob.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 442	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:37:00 - [22] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: NF rooster keeps improving too <3 What is this rooster improving on? Our resident forum roosters have benefited from the rise of district locking. Instead of having to play matches, they have had extra time to work on their distinctive calls and voices. What you are seeing is only the beginning.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2158	Posted - 2014.03.01 01:08:00 - [23] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: now we have a channel, you can only get in from kane inviting you, and you are frisked, patted down, and your wife and kids are placed under 24 hour surveillance upon you entering. I was invited to that channel by Ken, does this mean I have to leave and prove myself worthy to get reinvited? :( You were not. So about those vehicle locks...
Chuckles Brown 189	Posted - 2014.03.01 07:35:00 - [24] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: When I was in 0.H, we attacked a DDB district. 2 matches, we took all but 90 clones from them. They had like almost 500 to begin with. They were just getting manhandled. Now, DDB is not a bad corp, but against what 0.H was employing things just didn't line up for them. 0.H had the better teams going into those matches. So, when it came time for the flip... guess who shows up and puts a stop to 0.H in a hurry.... AE, because DDB needs someone to carry them through PC just like Capital Acquisitions. See, here's the thing. DDB isn't bad. Just like STB, Capital LLC, Molan, etc aren't bad either. But when you put them up against who are in a group of 2-3 corps, of course they aren't going to fair well. Its boiled down to NF, AE & FA fighting each other, even for others' districts. Plus, there's corps that aren't even in PC that are PC capable to, so long as the other team doesn't just pull in a ringer crew. Its just comes down to 3 corps, who can buy them, and which of those 2 out of 3 can best one another on that given day. Last time i played NF, I went toe-to-toe with them, especially difficult when it pretty much was 16 v 1 because the corp I was ringing for didn't belong playing the game; let alone PC. But they obviously should have bought FA or AE to try for them. But lets say it was a smaller corp, like Pradox. Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... How many times have FA and AE faced one another on behalf of others' districts?? The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
The-Beard Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 101	Posted - 2014.03.01 08:43:00 - [25] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... I don't agree with this statment. I fought Pradox many, many times and very rarely did they not field atleast 6 AE ringers. Didn't matter if they attacked us or we attacked them, they almost always brought in ringers. Quite a few of those battles only had 2-3 Pradox with the rest being AE ringers.
Chuckles Brown 190	Posted - 2014.03.01 11:01:00 - [26] - Quote The-Beard wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... I don't agree with this statment. I fought Pradox many, many times and very rarely did they not field atleast 6 AE ringers. Didn't matter if they attacked us or we attacked them, they almost always brought in ringers. Quite a few of those battles only had 2-3 Pradox with the rest being AE ringers. Go look and see how many people are in Pradox One... its like 30, of course they are going to use ringers The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
iTbagyou Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 223	Posted - 2014.03.01 12:16:00 - [27] - Quote During my time in R*, we fought px1 for weeks. For the first few matches they would use their own people and get smacked around. Next thing you know every match is 1-6 px1 with NS, oh, ae. So I can't agree that their a team is good I'd they won't show up for attacks. I had a brief stint in pradox after rs moved on for a while and they would sit ppl for ringers constantly. Disgrace imo. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
The-Beard Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 101	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:41:00 - [28] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The-Beard wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... I don't agree with this statment. I fought Pradox many, many times and very rarely did they not field atleast 6 AE ringers. Didn't matter if they attacked us or we attacked them, they almost always brought in ringers. Quite a few of those battles only had 2-3 Pradox with the rest being AE ringers. Go look and see how many people are in Pradox One... its like 30, of course they are going to use ringers Wow, you don't really read what is being typed do you? It's like you mouth diarrhea, only in text form
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1176	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:58:00 - [29] - Quote The-Beard wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The-Beard wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... I don't agree with this statment. I fought Pradox many, many times and very rarely did they not field atleast 6 AE ringers. Didn't matter if they attacked us or we attacked them, they almost always brought in ringers. Quite a few of those battles only had 2-3 Pradox with the rest being AE ringers. Go look and see how many people are in Pradox One... its like 30, of course they are going to use ringers Wow, you don't really read what is being typed do you? It's like you mouth diarrhea, only in text form I seem to remember having ML call us in for fights. A lot.... beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 74	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:13:00 - [30] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: The-Beard wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The-Beard wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... I don't agree with this statment. I fought Pradox many, many times and very rarely did they not field atleast 6 AE ringers. Didn't matter if they attacked us or we attacked them, they almost always brought in ringers. Quite a few of those battles only had 2-3 Pradox with the rest being AE ringers. Go look and see how many people are in Pradox One... its like 30, of course they are going to use ringers Wow, you don't really read what is being typed do you? It's like you mouth diarrhea, only in text form I seem to remember having ML call us in for fights. A lot.... Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers.

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1177	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:32:00 - [31] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. I made a vow to myself that I would never agree with you. Actually I didn't, so yeah. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Patrick57 5604	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:40:00 - [32] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: See, here's the thing. DDB isn't bad. Just like Capital LLC, etc aren't bad either. Disagreed. DDB is bad. I've said it before, but even when I was in Gunfall and they were allied with SVER, they'd bring AE and TeamPlayers ringers. Yet they were strong enough to beat us without the ringers. Chuckles Brown wrote: But when you put them up against who are in a group of 2-3 corps, of course they aren't going to fair well. Its boiled down to NF, AE & FA fighting each other, even for others' districts. Plus, there's corps that aren't even in PC that are PC capable to, so long as the other team doesn't just pull in a ringer crew. Its just comes down to 3 corps, who can buy them, and which of those 2 out of 3 can best one another on that given day. Last time i played NF, I went toe-to-toe with them, especially difficult when it pretty much was 16 v 1 because the corp I was ringing for didn't belong playing the game; let alone PC. But they obviously should have bought FA or AE to try for them. But lets say it was a smaller corp, like Pradox. Pradox's A-team is good... not NF A-team good(NF is nothing but -team -_-) but they are good. They can fight anyone and have a fair shot, until some one decides to b*tch out and have one of the big 3 fight their battles for them, thus forcing Pradox to hire a big 3 too... How many times have FA and AE faced one another on behalf of others' districts?? A lot, I can't even count. It does get annoying fighting the same people over and over, but we adapt and HTFU. i can haz gooder grammur
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:50:00 - [33] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. I made a vow to myself that I would never agree with you. Actually I didn't, so yeah. ??? One of these days I'm going to have to smack you fake forum warriors around.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1177	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:08:00 - [34] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. I made a vow to myself that I would never agree with you. Actually I didn't, so yeah. ??? One of these days I'm going to have to smack you fake forum warriors around. What are you going to use? Shadow alt Jutsu? beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:50:00 - [35] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. I made a vow to myself that I would never agree with you. Actually I didn't, so yeah. ??? One of these days I'm going to have to smack you fake forum warriors around. What are you going to use? Shadow alt Jutsu? Is naruto all americans know anime-wise? I want to see an original anime joke for once... Someone give me a good Baka to Test joke and I'll pay 1mil.
The-Beard Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 101	Posted - 2014.03.01 23:46:00 - [36] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I seem to remember having ML call us in for fights. A lot.... Yup we sure did and probably will still use ringers when we don't have enough guys x'ing up for pc. Also, it's kinda fcked to call in ringers then say "hey sorry about that but, near the last 5 min before the warbarge some dudes decided they wanted in so, I guess we don't need you and just wasted your time for nothing". However, I can't remember claiming ML didn't use ringers, nor am I hate bashing Pradox for using ringers. What I did do was call chucky Mc Diarrhea on his BS statement about Pradox. The rare times I have fought them (as in 13 or more on thier team) it was close match and very fun. But, I disagree with him saying "they only bring in "big 3" ringers when the other side does". As a point of fact, we did have to call FA in because they kept bringing in "big 3" ringers. Dr PepperPoP wrote:* Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. A pity you think that, but our "farming" isn't anywhere as good as the PFC ISK farming.. no, not the district holders farming isk the other ones.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2357	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:09:00 - [37] - Quote The-Beard wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I seem to remember having ML call us in for fights. A lot.... Yup we sure did and probably will still use ringers when we don't have enough guys x'ing up for pc. Also, it's kinda fcked to call in ringers then say "hey sorry about that but, near the last 5 min before the warbarge some dudes decided they wanted in so, I guess we don't need you and just wasted your time for nothing". However, I can't remember claiming ML didn't use ringers, nor am I hate bashing Pradox for using ringers. What I did do was call chucky Mc Diarrhea on his BS statement about Pradox. The rare times I have fought them (as in 13 or more on thier team) it was close match and very fun. But, I disagree with him saying "they only bring in "big 3" ringers when the other side does". As a point of fact, we did have to call FA in because they kept bringing in "big 3" ringers. Dr PepperPoP wrote:* Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. A pity you think that, but our "farming" isn't anywhere as good as the PFC ISK farming.. no, not the district holders farming isk the other ones. You're moving offley close to the deep end there bud. Maybe you should stop, before you say something really stupid Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:18:00 - [38] - Quote The-Beard wrote: A pity you think that, but our "farming" isn't anywhere as good as the PFC ISK farming.. no, not the district holders farming isk the other ones. Let's see.... On form of farming involves abusing broken mechanics to stay irrelevant. Cough The other form of farming is working with the community to set up an official form of governmental body for PFC to regulate and control. Allowing a more flexible PFC control and giving vet corps a reason to want to help PFC. You're right, ML's farming does suck compared to ours. Lol
The-Beard Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:37:00 - [39] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: You're moving offley close to the deep end there bud. Maybe you should stop, before you say something really stupid Something. Really. Stupid. Dr PepperPoP wrote: Let's see.... On form of farming involves abusing broken mechanics to stay irrelevant. Cough The other form of farming is working with the community to set up an official form of governmental body for PFC to regulate and control. Allowing a more flexible PFC control and giving vet corps a reason to want to help PFC. You're right, ML's farming does suck compared to ours. Lol My, my, defencive much? does it irk you that people really learned the value of district locking from TP during the FEC war? or just that it has recently become a major fotm?
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 82	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:43:00 - [40] - Quote The-Beard wrote: My, my, defencive much? does it irk you that people really learned the value of district locking from TP during the FEC war? or just that it has recently become a major fotm? Defensive? What? Let me show you what defensive looks like: The-Beard wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Why do you think ML ran with STB to TSO? They couldn't keep farming ISK and pay for all those ringers. A pity you think that, but our "farming" isn't anywhere as good as the PFC ISK farming.. no, not the district holders farming isk the other ones. Notice how I never spoke to you first - but when I mentioned ML you came running to there defense? That's called being Defensive. What I did was trolled a bad post because it had a bad point.

The-Beard Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.03.02 03:03:00 - [41] - Quote yeah sure, you betcha
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 767	Posted - 2014.03.02 04:43:00 - [42] - Quote From my perspective the state of PC can be more frustrating for individual players than corps much less alliances. In my limited experience it normally does come down to a relatively small pool of players that control PC. If you are in a smaller corp or smaller alliance you can probably field a 16 person team but the talent disparity can be prohibitive which generates the market for ringers. I think it's a great thing there is a market for this service since it's a key component of building the Dust component of New Eden. One of the trickle down effects of few corps being involved and few actually using their own members is that it's tough to get consistent PC experience for individuals...playing with and against varsity players and the tactics involved are a big factor in simply getting better as an individual. The more ringers you use the less you develop your own team...again not evil but something few corps consider. For most of you involved in this discussion you are part of the relatively small pool of players. There are a lot of folks dotted across the numerous small to mid-size corps that want more competitive play and/or working actively to up their game and it's difficult to get on the field. I like the difficult ladder; you have to want to be involved and develop your game. That said, not a lot of opportunities out there at the moment. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
dwater Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.03.02 10:46:00 - [43] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. Finding players that are good enough to take on bada** corps is hard to do, considering they can just join said corp instead of trying to see a vision down the road. You had a history in this game, and have made connections, so you were able to pick up good players because of it. I don't know anyone in your corp that is an "unknown" prior to joining. Even your 'lesser' players I knew of. Perhaps, because I play really close attention to things like that in this game. Here's an honest question. Because I applied to FA back in the day, you rejected my app (no, not upset about it in the slightest, especially since it was like 3 months ago) Was my app rejected because of my stats? Was it rejected because I didn't have a referral, or some people told you I wasn't good enough? Was it rejected because I was 'unknown' to you? I know when I look at apps, the first thing I do is ask other directors "who is this player"? Because reputation matters to me. Since I remember lots of names in this game and can categorize them as good or bad, I base a lot of recruiting decisions on it. Names trigger in my brain, and if a name doesn't trigger, then I equate that they must not be that good. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. I was unknown when i fought regynum in 1v1 in adv gear and almost won then i m8 packed zatara in the face and then zata put me in pcs in av gear cause thats all i had
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 114	Posted - 2014.03.02 11:39:00 - [44] - Quote I love watching people argue in the war room... Its so... Intriguing.. I'm sorry gents! Please continue! n_n You don't know my life! You don't know how many nanites to put in my cereal!
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 82	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:13:00 - [45] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: From my perspective the state of PC can be more frustrating for individual players than corps much less alliances. In my limited experience it normally does come down to a relatively small pool of players that control PC. If you are in a smaller corp or smaller alliance you can probably field a 16 person team but the talent disparity can be prohibitive which generates the market for ringers. I think it's a great thing there is a market for this service since it's a key component of building Dust in New Eden. One of the trickle down effects of few corps being involved and few actually using their own members is that it's tough to get consistent PC experience for individuals...playing with and against varsity players and the tactics involved are a big factor in simply getting better as an individual. The more ringers you use the less you develop your own team...again not evil but something few corps consider. For most of you involved in this discussion you are part of the relatively small pool of players. There are a lot of folks dotted across the numerous small to mid-size corps that want more competitive play and/or working actively to up their game and it's difficult to get on the field. I like the difficult ladder; you have to want to be involved and develop your game. That said, not a lot of opportunities out there at the moment. Agreed, hopefully when changes are made to PC in the future it will allow a larger pool of players to be involved without being instantly wiped out of PC by the small number of corps that can hold the majority of MH.
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 747	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:08:00 - [46] - Quote The-Beard wrote: Also, it's kinda f*cked to call in ringers then say "hey sorry about that but, near the last 5 min before the warbarge some dudes decided they wanted in so, I guess we don't need you and just wasted your time for nothing". Do you want a cookie for waiting for 15 minutes. How much is your video game time worth?That is enough time to play 1 Domination... we will say you are halfway decent so we will pay you 350k for waiting 15 minutes to help an alliance member. An alliance member who has saved your districts countless times and been on standby with full 15 man crews just for you to message over and say... "the person we are fighting didn't bring ringers so we are good. We don't need you this time" Everyone makes sacrifices Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Knight Solitaire Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 519	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:25:00 - [47] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Agreed, hopefully when changes are made to PC in the future it will allow a larger pool of players to be involved without being instantly wiped out of PC by the small number of corps that can hold the majority of MH. This is Low-Sec, not Carebear Central. Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance ISK Milkshakes for all! (Except the pubbers)
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2967	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:36:00 - [48] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: The-Beard wrote: A pity you think that, but our "farming" isn't anywhere as good as the PFC ISK farming.. no, not the district holders farming isk the other ones. Let's see.... One form of farming involves abusing broken mechanics to stay irrelevant. Cough The other form of farming is working with the community to set up an official form of governmental body for PFC to regulate and control. Allowing a more flexible PFC control and giving vet corps a reason to want to help PFC. You're right, ML's farming does suck compared to ours. Lol you forgot the OTHER form of farming... forcing tryhards and wannabes to run into my HMG and spending entire matches in the overhead screen trying to deploy :P thanks CCP this event has upped my spawn camping proficiency to 9000 You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2967	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:42:00 - [49] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: The-Beard wrote: Also, it's kinda f*cked to call in ringers then say "hey sorry about that but, near the last 5 min before the warbarge some dudes decided they wanted in so, I guess we don't need you and just wasted your time for nothing". Do you want a cookie for waiting for 15 minutes. How much is your video game time worth?That is enough time to play 1 Domination... we will say you are halfway decent so we will pay you 350k for waiting 15 minutes to help an alliance member. An alliance member who has saved your districts countless times and been on standby with full 15 man crews just for you to message over and say... "the person we are fighting didn't bring ringers so we are good. We don't need you this time" Everyone makes sacrifices kind of an ass backwards way to do things... I remember the days... alliance corp has a match. a little before they holler at alliance 'NEED 3 for PC' later on we actually made a separate PC channel so the players better prepared would be there. worked pretty well for a long time. but also worked pretty well because once in, you weren't sat. then again that was ALSO the days of corps fighting their own battles, with assistance from the alliance when needed. VERY rare case we were called on to take a match. too much pride for everyone to ever ask that, and we never, NEVER imposed that. nowadays, we're mercs. if we Are called upon its as a team. sometimes a squad will make some moves, but we are neutral in all things, and your isk is what buys our loyalty 20 minutes at a time... im fine either way. and always respect those that still have a sense of pride (yes Cap Acq.. that is TRuF) #imYouRBesT#friend#AND#worst#enemy#mindblown You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2408	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:23:00 - [50] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: From my perspective the state of PC can be more frustrating for individual players than corps much less alliances. In my limited experience it normally does come down to a relatively small pool of players that control PC. If you are in a smaller corp or smaller alliance you can probably field a 16 person team but the talent disparity can be prohibitive which generates the market for ringers. I think it's a great thing there is a market for this service since it's a key component of building Dust in New Eden. One of the trickle down effects of few corps being involved and few actually using their own members is that it's tough to get consistent PC experience for individuals...playing with and against varsity players and the tactics involved are a big factor in simply getting better as an individual. The more ringers you use the less you develop your own team...again not evil but something few corps consider. For most of you involved in this discussion you are part of the relatively small pool of players. There are a lot of folks dotted across the numerous small to mid-size corps that want more competitive play and/or working actively to up their game and it's difficult to get on the field. I like the difficult ladder; you have to want to be involved and develop your game. That said, not a lot of opportunities out there at the moment. +1 Listen I'll change the song every week

Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:57:00 - [51] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: So, PC comes down ta whoz ass can loot tha mo' betta ringer crew. 3 ef'n crews run tha show up in MH. We all know whoz ass they are. I KNOW every last muthafuckin alliizzle has a Strong Arm corp up in it, n' it seems they do most of tha fightin on behalf of they brethren. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. All alliances is built round one supa corp it seems. This has pimped a narrow field fo' MH. Yo ass have tha corps.alliances dat is so phat at what tha ** they do it just down inexplicably ridiculous. Yo ass have tha corps dat is phat up in they own right yo, but when compared ta tha big-ass 3, it seems they just suck. This creates mercs jumpin ta one of the Big 3. So, how tha be a freshly smoked up corp supposed ta form from scratch n' reach tha endgame, biatch? How tha do decent playas every last muthafuckin git a cold-ass lil chizzle ta git tha into tha Big 3 if tha bar is blowin tha up; when if they was given a cold-ass lil chizzle up in one of tha supa corps/alliances, they would no diggity improve just be association. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. If a cold-ass lil corp starts from tha ground up, like nuff on PFC right now have, they still aint NEVER gonna bust tha ** into MH cuz anoyone they put heat on will just call upon one of tha Big 3 ta rid em. This may git me tha ** into bangin' gin n juice yo, but its tha dopest example I can be thinkin of. When I was up in 0.H, we beat down a DDB district. 2 matches, we took all but 90 clones from em. They had like almost 500 ta begin with. They was just gettin manhandled. Y'all KNOW dat , muthafucka! Now, DDB aint a wack corp yo, but against what tha 0.H was employin thangs just didn't line up fo' em. 0.H had tha mo' betta crews goin tha ** into dem matches. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. So, when it came time fo' tha flip... guess whoz ass shows up n' puts a stop ta 0.H up in a hurry....
Liquid Big Boss Quebec United 145	Posted - 2014.03.08 16:33:00 - [52] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Stuff. A corp like Quebec United seems to be on the rise, and maybe we'll see them in MH someday, but I don't know a single one of those guys. I can't name one person from that corp so I would never give them a chance probably. Perhaps I rejected some of them in the past, what a terrible mistake that looks like I did. Reputation is the best way to build a corp, because people don't like taking chances. This leaves small corps that have potential at a glass ceiling, because A-Team clutch crushers don't want to join a "maybe' corp, they want to be in a 'happening' corp. hey hey thanks buddy I'm the boss to superpass big boss itself MAG vet Raven forever
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2014.03.10 05:44:00 - [53] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: and as for OSG people playing with NF. our philosophy has changed, well, MINE at least. I used to be the poster child for things being my CORP, and when needed, we had alliance. now we have a channel, you can only get in from kane inviting you, and you are frisked, patted down, and your wife and kids are placed under 24 hour surveillance upon you entering. this channel is our 'corp' that's it. when others play matches with us, they are removed right after, and brought back in when used again etc etc. in those cases we just park an unmarked car outside their house for a spell, sometimes taking your kids to Chuck E Cheese while you are in match, cause we 'care' Cubs has saggy man boobs. There's a pic on the Corp clubhouse. There's a message in my Cheerios!


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