DUST Search - Aim Assist and TTK

Bethhy wrote:

Bones McGavins wrote:

The truth is, the AA whining is from players who arent very good at console FPS games, who used to be able to win soley based on massive ehp and dps advantages by better gear.

Dust used to have terrible hit detection combined with bad aiming mechanics. This meant even GOOD fps players would struggle to hit their target consistantly. So better gear mattered more because it was harder to overcome gear with skill. 50% more health and 20% more DPS has a bigger impact when fights are longer because nobody can land a shot.

Now that a 50% ehp and 20% dps advantage doesnt guarentee a win, these players are convinced that lesser skilled players are killing them. When the reality is, prior to AA, skill gap mattered less than SP and gear.

They long for the old days when they could throw down a triage nano and dance on it, tanking 3 players shooting at them and somehow come away thinking they won via their own "elite gun game".

Your Absolutely full of sh!t.....

Aim Assist makes this game purely about skill points and gear.... My AA Locks, Your AA locks, I have X amount of health you have X amount of health.. X amount of Sp, gear and weapon... = Winner everytime....

There is no skill in these engagements there is no player error or excelling that dictates these engagements... It's purely a computer generated tracking and bullet magnetism + Skill points and gear...

The ability for a new player to DUST to jump on with FPS ability and be competitive against even the best Proto suits out there like "Doug Ugly"(top of killboards in Chromosome) happened all day during Chromosome.. New players with ability completely competitive... with purely player skill.

The whole Proto-stomping thing was barely even mentioned by players./.. EVERY player ran the best they could at all times... Because it was a competitive game...

NO ONE DANCED AWAY BULLETS.... THAT WAS POOR AIMING.... NO ONE DANCED AWAY FROM LordChaos, 13ear... They died... and freaking quick...... No Aim assist... With a gamepad.

Aiming in Chromosome with a DS3 without AA was amazing... EVEn new to FPS game friends where downloading the game and sniping with a gamepad... and getting good scores...

Scouts move fast... Medium suits slightly slower and fat suits slow... Then we can account player skills in Biotics... and the modules they use...

Almost every player on the battlefield is moving at a different speed... if you people think a Computer generated program should track all of those players indiscriminately as if there was no difficulty aiming from one target to the next? Then this game is truly hopeless...


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Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 522	Posted - 2014.02.27 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote The truth is, the AA whining is from players who arent very good at console FPS games, who used to be able to win soley based on massive ehp and dps advantages by better gear. Dust used to have terrible hit detection combined with bad aiming mechanics. This meant even GOOD fps players would struggle to hit their target consistantly. So better gear mattered more because it was harder to overcome gear with skill. 50% more health and 20% more DPS has a bigger impact when fights are longer because nobody can land a shot. Now that a 50% ehp and 20% dps advantage doesnt guarentee a win, these players are convinced that lesser skilled players are killing them. When the reality is, prior to AA, skill gap mattered less than SP and gear. They long for the old days when they could throw down a triage nano and dance on it, tanking 3 players shooting at them and somehow come away thinking they won via their own "elite gun game".
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 526	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: The truth is, the AA whining is from players who arent very good at console FPS games, who used to be able to win soley based on massive ehp and dps advantages by better gear. Dust used to have terrible hit detection combined with bad aiming mechanics. This meant even GOOD fps players would struggle to hit their target consistantly. So better gear mattered more because it was harder to overcome gear with skill. 50% more health and 20% more DPS has a bigger impact when fights are longer because nobody can land a shot. Now that a 50% ehp and 20% dps advantage doesnt guarentee a win, these players are convinced that lesser skilled players are killing them. When the reality is, prior to AA, skill gap mattered less than SP and gear. They long for the old days when they could throw down a triage nano and dance on it, tanking 3 players shooting at them and somehow come away thinking they won via their own "elite gun game". Your Absolutely full of sh!t..... Aim Assist makes this game purely about skill points and gear.... My AA Locks, Your AA locks, I have X amount of health you have X amount of health.. X amount of Sp, gear and weapon... = Winner everytime.... There is no skill in these engagements there is no player error or excelling that dictates these engagements... It's purely a computer generated tracking and bullet magnetism + Skill points and gear... The ability for a new player to DUST to jump on with FPS ability and be competitive against even the best Proto suits out there like "Doug Ugly"(top of killboards in Chromosome) happened all day during Chromosome.. New players with ability completely competitive... with purely player skill. The whole Proto-stomping thing was barely even mentioned by players./.. EVERY player ran the best they could at all times... Because it was a competitive game... NO ONE DANCED AWAY BULLETS.... THAT WAS POOR AIMING.... NO ONE DANCED AWAY FROM LordChaos, 13ear... They died... and freaking quick...... No Aim assist... With a gamepad. Aiming in Chromosome with a DS3 without AA was amazing... EVEn new to FPS game friends where downloading the game and sniping with a gamepad... and getting good scores... Scouts move fast... Medium suits slightly slower and fat suits slow... Then we can account player skills in Biotics... and the modules they use... Almost every player on the battlefield is moving at a different speed... if you people think a Computer generated program should track all of those players indiscriminately as if there was no difficulty aiming from one target to the next? Then this game is truly hopeless... Ill keep it quick AA isnt that strong, aim still matters. Strafing is still a must or you lose Even if it was that strong head shots would still tip the balance to the better skilled player Even if the above two things weren't true aiming is like 10% of FPS skills. If you are having civil war style duels then you should expect to die because that is terrible and anyone relying on superior aim alone is bad at FpS games. In conclusion the guy that killed you did so because he owned you and not because of AA.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 532	Posted - 2014.02.28 00:22:00 - [3] - Quote There was a lot of discussion on these forums about how explosions had issues. The MD was the center of those discussions. CCP commented on it and released fixes for it. The issue was with the explosion acting more like a plane than a sphere. So unless the explosion was on the same z axis it wouldn't hit right. This probably wouldn't impact HD on roof camping since you'd be shooting down at folks on the ground and not have to worry about it
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 535	Posted - 2014.02.28 06:57:00 - [4] - Quote Except that every other hit game in that genre also has aim assist. Maybe it's the anti aim assist crowd that's playing the wrong wrong genre. You know, console fps games?
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 535	Posted - 2014.02.28 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote Thats one game, and it isnt exactly a big boy. Nobody was waiting in line to get their copy of killzone. Heck, I love FPS games, own a PS4 and dont own killzone. KZ isnt a "hit" franchise. If Destiny comes out and doesnt have AA, maybe an actual shift in console FPS has occured. But I highly doubt that will happen. Heck, I guarentee Planetside 2, a PC shooter ported to PS4, will have AA. If anything, KZ is the exception that proves the rule.