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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
586
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:50:00 -
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Ive found time & again this week that what ever team has the worst blue dots AKA 0-20/1-18/2-15 ect
End result : we get cloned out.
So literally i can drag a team through a domination, get the OBs and pull 30-40 kills, my squads mates are pulling decent positive scores of 15-20+kills or 3k WPs but its still not enough? I mean these fights are coming down to 20 clones difference which obviously is the difference of one bluedot on my team failing THAT hard.
My thinking is either the playerbase is shrinking to such a degree that we are forced to play with the fresh faces OR we seriously need matchmaking update now, not SOONTM.
The last week HAS NOT BEEN FUN. And its Painfully evident that the new bluedots are not pointed to the forum, they arent being taught enough to be set-againt us. Either that or millita/basic gear simply needs a buff.
I mean a heavy event in the face of keeping newberry assault guys is just plain stupid. Yeah its great if they read, but most FPS players (epecially the ones who play F2P on a whim) will not be reading, and will be jumping into these games to be faced by 10 heavies. Not very fun.
I for one hate fcuking losing when ive done everything in my power to get the win(hacks, kills and logi) but my teammates are the ones losing the battles because they are dieing 20 times a match.
Im not talking about other corps here, im talking about fresh millita corp newberries straight off the barge.
I mean am i going to have to Qsync with two full squads of STB like 'on the brink' or 'What the French' I for one havent needed too for a year, but Im seriously considering it.
STB EU Director since October 2012.
STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
5870
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:52:00 -
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Scotty hates everyone. Except squads. Scotty loves squads. Scotty feeds squads blueberries. Countless blueberries for the squad lords.
Never forget
More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
533
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:00:00 -
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Hard game is hard, 'specially for noobs -- but you're right, winning often comes down to who has the less useless bluedots. |
General John Ripper
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
18905
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:02:00 -
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I once got 72 kills
less than 5 deaths
10+ assists.
and just under 6k war points solo.
my team:
2 kills 16 deaths...
0 kills 18 deaths
and so on..
somehow my team got cloned out while i managed to take out half the enemy forces by myself... I thought it was the easiest damn match andI didn't even start really trying until midgame because I didn't wanna lose.
We almost won by mcc and clones but my blueberries sucked too much.
A taco is born and eaten everytime a post is liked.
Such is the cycle of life.
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:04:00 -
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talk in team coms instead of squad or corp, maybe the blueberries will hear you complaining |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2967
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:06:00 -
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There are very few matches where there is a fight over objectives.
There is killing that happens, but usually takes flying a dropship to a tower or dropping an orbital on some location that people are hiding.
These kind of matches are the worst for me, I have a sub 2.0 KDR for the last few weeks getting killed trying to either overcome stupid blueberries or getting killed while trying to find the red dots that are hiding/camping somewhere.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:11:00 -
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People like to blame it on new players, but it's not that.
It's that team play has eroded to the point where the majority of players are joining matches solo. And they aren't there to win matches. They are there to get SP and to profit on the match.
There is no incentive to win matches at all.
There needs to be a serious shakeup here. We have all these requests for all this awesome stuff, requests for more of a connection to Eve, player market, etc. But in my opinion pubs have never been worse. Ever
The tank issue is a big one I think, there is certainly no incentive to purge ISK trying to kill tanks.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2970
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:13:00 -
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We should have a Tso event where we all voice up in alliance chat a qsync solo into pub matches.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2877
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:15:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Scotty hates everyone. Except squads. Scotty loves squads. Scotty feeds squads blueberries. Countless blueberries for the squad lords.
I didn't realize how true this was until I lost my mic.
I haven't been in a squad for this whole Heavy event and I just keep landing on the ****** team.
I've geared down to MLT suits and STD HMG just to accommodate the loss. I still get 20-30 Kills, but I lose 10-20 fittings in the process. It is nice buying 100 fully fitted suits with a single match's winnings, and getting 3000 WP per match (because nobody else does a single ******* thing but pad the other team's KDR).
But, getting thrown into matches with all of these randoms against teams with 2 full squads is ******* ridiculous. Example: OSG & KEQ squads with 2 from AE and 2 randoms, against me and 15 NPC players. I went 32/24, ~3200 WP the guy in second was 2/15, 180 WP......
I GÖú Kittens.
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
394
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:People like to blame it on new players, but it's not that.
It's that team play has eroded to the point where the majority of players are joining matches solo. And they aren't there to win matches. They are there to get SP and to profit on the match.
There is no incentive to win matches at all.
There needs to be a serious shakeup here. We have all these requests for all this awesome stuff, requests for more of a connection to Eve, player market, etc. But in my opinion pubs have never been worse. Ever
The tank issue is a big one I think, there is certainly no incentive to purge ISK trying to kill tanks.
Log in get some isk and sp from a match then log out, plan for the day for many not wanting to play much anymore.
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
699
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:23:00 -
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the blue berries not trying is starting to become a problem.
cant hardly push up and take hold of strategic position. normally results in my pulling out a blaster tank and guarding a red objective from red dots while waiting for some random to come along and hack it. since im un able to jump out and hack it my self do to multiple players continually spawning in.
the corps that quesync into pubs is also problematic for the match. i kinda think they should have kept the fw isk rewards so pub matches rnt stomped in 24/7.
sometimes its starting to become a chore having to pull out a rail or blaster tank having to take out other tanks and kill redots so my team can move up and hack a freaking objective. then theres the pub stompers that spam maddrugars and gunnlogis while the few blue berries will bring out a few mlt somas and sicas that get blown up right away. |
Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
317
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:32:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:People like to blame it on new players, but it's not that.
It's that team play has eroded to the point where the majority of players are joining matches solo. And they aren't there to win matches. They are there to get SP and to profit on the match.
There is no incentive to win matches at all.
There needs to be a serious shakeup here. We have all these requests for all this awesome stuff, requests for more of a connection to Eve, player market, etc. But in my opinion pubs have never been worse. Ever
The tank issue is a big one I think, there is certainly no incentive to purge ISK trying to kill tanks.
For me, I want to complete the 750k SP event. That means I jump in a match whenever I have time, with or without squad support. I don't think solo play is good for either team, but bonus SP trumps the normal tactics. I've felt a bit handicapped by the heavy event because I've been saving my SP for the Caldari Heavy, and so I'm still running a Dren STD heavy when my enemies are proto everything. Normally I counter every tier or tactic with the optimal counter, but for this event, it's HMG or Forge all the time. I'm starting to think of it as a bonus challenge...though the real challenge will be fitting all my new Caldari Heavy fits in with all my Assault and Logi fits, with only 30 possible loadouts...30 fits per suit class would be nice.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
1968
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:32:00 -
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blue berry loses is why we want team deploys so much |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2972
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:36:00 -
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I've made 50 threads talking about how the incentives need to be changed.
They don't want to weight the payouts too heavily on performance to protect new players. I think they'd be much better off putting in a ADV level only pub mode to curb proto stomping.
They also don't want to increase payouts because they believe we have too much ISK and need ISK sinks. The problem I have with this is that this is not the case for most mercs. Perhaps the numbers are skewed because so few have so much.
There HAS to be some carrot for players going into these matches to make them want to win matches. Not just collect SP, move closer to cap, and save ISK.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
318
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:45:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've made 50 threads talking about how the incentives need to be changed.
They don't want to weight the payouts too heavily on performance to protect new players. I think they'd be much better off putting in a ADV level only pub mode to curb proto stomping.
They also don't want to increase payouts because they believe we have too much ISK and need ISK sinks. The problem I have with this is that this is not the case for most mercs. Perhaps the numbers are skewed because so few have so much.
There HAS to be some carrot for players going into these matches to make them want to win matches. Not just collect SP, move closer to cap, and save ISK.
You're right, there really needs to be an easy mode for new players...though I've heard of guys that create new alts just to terrorize the academy, so I don't know how CCP could deploy an easy-mode.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1034
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:58:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:There are very few matches where there is a fight over objectives.
There is killing that happens, but usually takes flying a dropship to a tower or dropping an orbital on some location that people are hiding.
These kind of matches are the worst for me, I have a sub 2.0 KDR for the last few weeks getting killed trying to either overcome stupid blueberries or getting killed while trying to find the red dots that are hiding/camping somewhere.
Exactly this, me too, it's getting fkng ridiculous. Something has to change pretty quick.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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LowerThan SnakeShip
Ultramarine Corp
3
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:05:00 -
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blueberries need nerf in 1.8 they are ruining the game |
Marc Rime
291
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:07:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is no incentive to win matches at all.
Adding incentives to win may also create incentives to only play games your team is winning. It'd be better if there was some alternative for those who want SP/ISK but don't always feel like PVPing - any news on how PVE is coming along? :P |
Thanjac
Ruthless Chaos
39
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:15:00 -
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Worse team of blueberries I ever had was on a dom, it was 8 vs 6, and I was the only one that got any kills, and over 150 WP. But we (I) still won. mainly because the other team let us take the point, and wanted to continue to fight me and slaughter my blueberries
Proud Commando/ARC Instructor
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1147
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:27:00 -
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who would of thought that the better TEAM wins.... revolutionary idea really. |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2988
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:52:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is no incentive to win matches at all. Adding incentives to win may also create incentives to only play games your team is winning. It'd be better if there was some alternative for those who want SP/ISK but don't always feel like PVPing - any news on how PVE is coming along? :P
If people are playing a FPS and don't want to PvP then I'm not sure what to say.
We won't have PvE for quite some time.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:03:00 -
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what if you ONLY got a CHANCE to get officer weapon drops if your team won. They are pretty rare anyways so i doubt losing side would leave battle. maybe not the best idea just thinking about incentivesGǪ |
safura trotsky
Kill Mode Activated
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
19
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:12:00 -
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i once played an ambush where 11 blueberries went 0 wp and 0/0 that means only 5 people were actually on the field...
Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10161
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:17:00 -
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It is known.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
408
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:21:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Marc Rime wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:There is no incentive to win matches at all. Adding incentives to win may also create incentives to only play games your team is winning. It'd be better if there was some alternative for those who want SP/ISK but don't always feel like PVPing - any news on how PVE is coming along? :P If people are playing a FPS and don't want to PvP then I'm not sure what to say. We won't have PvE for quite some time.
are you saying years away? Even though it looked like it was ready in 2012?
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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