DUST Search - Is the Crusader Suit Still Viable?

Roy Ventus wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

I would like to see it. On the subject of the name though, I think it should be called a "Marauder" suit Cool

You see, Minmatar Crusader sounds weird but Amarr Marauder sounds even weirder. I agree with above that Technician or Commander would be better (though Commander could be confused with Commando)

Would work in theory if we didn't have a Commander suit in concept. Crusader leads the squad and provides buffs/hexes to friendlies and enemies whereas the Commander oversees the entire battle from the MCC.

Technician, maybe - but it kinda sounds like it would be doing what the Logistics does and might confuse newer players.

Hrmm... Brigadier? Not sure, drawing a blank on a good name for a squad leader role =P

Well considering that it doesn't have to be a squad leader who uses that suit, it could always be called a Tactician Dropsuit. We haven't really used that word much in Dust so it should be free.

If not that, I'd go with Controller like one of the guys here suggested. Big smile

I'd like being called a "Troll."

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Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1166	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:28:00 - [1] - Quote Well first off, I don't like calling the Crusader suit, a "Crusader." Crusader is used with religious groups as soldiers of some sort. A Gallente or Minmatar Crusader sounds weird. Anyways. Would the Crusader Suit still be viable? The suit was designed to be worn by squad leaders on the field and give AoE bonuses to their squad mates. With it you could say, boost your team's repair rate whenever they're around you. You can relate each bonus to a specific race of course. It's been so long since I've heard about it. Makes me think CCP either forgot about it or really put it on the back burner. Maybe after 1.8 we can have more specialized suits come in, including the Crusader. I'm also worried if the Crusader suit will just make balancing more difficult. What do you guys think? Do you like it? Do you hate it? Is it viable? If you could decide the squad bonuses , what would they be? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10078	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:31:00 - [2] - Quote I'd love to have it. Although it'd have the unfortunate effect of increasing squad-stomping, it presents an excellent target to go for to help crush a squad. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5105	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:33:00 - [3] - Quote If they go with the Crusader-only modules that were on Singularity back in closed beta, I know a -lot- of shield users that would hard-core range (one of the modules prevented enemy's shields from regenerating within a radius of the Crusader suit). I would like to see it. On the subject of the name though, I think it should be called a "Marauder" suit Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 305	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:37:00 - [4] - Quote Well a caldari crusader would sound just as strange, perhaps to call it a tactician suit or a command suit(basicly a suit version of command ship)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6894	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:38:00 - [5] - Quote Agree that Crusader always sounded like a poor choice for class name. But I don't think the balancing would be too rough at all. The Crusader will provide these buffs to nearby friendlies making them better than you can otherwise make a fit (or anti-buffs to enemies), but the Crusader itself will be weaker than your average fit. Identify and target the Crusader and get on your way. What I question is how many people would actually want to run the Crusader suit. I probably would and I know a lot of others would probably say the same, but in practice would they really want to be running around in a gimped suit while everyone around them get all the kills and points and such? Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2095	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:38:00 - [6] - Quote http://dust.thang.dk/showgearcomparison.php?gear=352597 They let one into the sde.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2726	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:39:00 - [7] - Quote MAG had leadership bonuses for SL/PL/OIC I dont think it would hurt the game Keeps squads together, temawork etc all that BS Intelligence is OP
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6894	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:40:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I would like to see it. On the subject of the name though, I think it should be called a "Marauder" suit You see, Minmatar Crusader sounds weird but Amarr Marauder sounds even weirder. I agree with above that Technician or Commander would be better (though Commander could be confused with Commando) Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1695	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:53:00 - [9] - Quote There's a lot more to it than what you put, idr the exact details but it's definitely worth it. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7621	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:57:00 - [10] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Well first off, I don't like calling the Crusader suit, a "Crusader." Crusader is used with religious groups as soldiers of some sort. A Gallente or Minmatar Crusader sounds weird. Anyways. Would the Crusader Suit still be viable? The suit was designed to be worn by squad leaders on the field and give AoE bonuses to their squad mates. With it you could say, boost your team's repair rate whenever they're around you. You can relate each bonus to a specific race of course. It's been so long since I've heard about it. Makes me think CCP either forgot about it or really put it on the back burner. Maybe after 1.8 we can have more specialized suits come in, including the Crusader. I'm also worried if the Crusader suit will just make balancing more difficult. What do you guys think? Do you like it? Do you hate it? Is it viable? If you could decide the squad bonuses , what would they be? Amarr Crusader Suit = Best Crusader Suit "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1344	Posted - 2014.02.26 19:58:00 - [11] - Quote How about calling it the same name as in EVE for what it does. A command ship offers fleet bonuses. So call it a Command suit. Not commander, that implies the guy in charge of the whole team. Like the fleet commander wouldn't be the guy in the command ship. But, it is CCP. They named a heavy suit with two weapons a Commando. That is the very opposite of what a commando is. A commando would rightly be a light suit with dual wield (akimbo) capability. Also, I am offended by the word Commando. A commando killed my family. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2097	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:00:00 - [12] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: There's a lot more to it than what you put, idr the exact details but it's definitely worth it. Hey dorks, look at the link to the SDE info for the freakin DEV Amarr Crusader suit that was on their database!!! The stats of their concept are out there. It is by no means another combat suit...
Krom Ganesh Nos Nothi 1435	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:06:00 - [13] - Quote Anyone else read Lines of Departure? How about calling it the Combat Controller (controller for short)?
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 647	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:23:00 - [14] - Quote I would like this dropsuit -> Assault dropsuit -> command dropsuit (gives bonus to the team) -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á \ -> Logistics dropsuit -> electronic attack dropsuit (gives penalty to enemies in a certain radius) > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5106	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:35:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I would like to see it. On the subject of the name though, I think it should be called a "Marauder" suit You see, Minmatar Crusader sounds weird but Amarr Marauder sounds even weirder. I agree with above that Technician or Commander would be better (though Commander could be confused with Commando) Would work in theory if we didn't have a Commander suit in concept. Crusader leads the squad and provides buffs/hexes to friendlies and enemies whereas the Commander oversees the entire battle from the MCC. Technician, maybe - but it kinda sounds like it would be doing what the Logistics does and might confuse newer players. Hrmm... Brigadier? Not sure, drawing a blank on a good name for a squad leader role =P Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1167	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:37:00 - [16] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: How about calling it the same name as in EVE for what it does. A command ship offers fleet bonuses. So call it a Command suit. Not commander, that implies the guy in charge of the whole team. Like the fleet commander wouldn't be the guy in the command ship. But, it is CCP. They named a heavy suit with two weapons a Commando. That is the very opposite of what a commando is. A commando would rightly be a light suit with dual wield (akimbo) capability. Also, I am offended by the word Commando. A commando killed my family. A Commander doesn't necessarily mean "Commander of all" at least not in the U.S. Army(or so I read). It's often a title with the highest being dun-da-da-dun, The Commander-in-Chief. But the more I think about it, the more I would like for their to be something very much like what EVE has when it comes to bonuses. Squad Commander Skills, Field Commander Skills, and Planetary Commander Skills or of course other names that would work well. Think I might make an idea thread about it. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1167	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:52:00 - [17] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Anyone else read Lines of Departure? How about calling it the Combat Controller (controller for short)? I could definitely enjoy calling it the Controller Suit. Reminds me of DCUO where you have the Controller role that gives small yet effective bonuses to the entire team. The community affectionately called them "Trollers." "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1783	Posted - 2014.02.26 20:59:00 - [18] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/showgearcomparison.php?gear=352597 They let one into the sde. 4 high slots, no shield HP or regen, no light weapon or heavy weapon slot. Baically it is a super vulnerable support class. That means it's not worked on at all. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1168	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:00:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I would like to see it. On the subject of the name though, I think it should be called a "Marauder" suit You see, Minmatar Crusader sounds weird but Amarr Marauder sounds even weirder. I agree with above that Technician or Commander would be better (though Commander could be confused with Commando) Would work in theory if we didn't have a Commander suit in concept. Crusader leads the squad and provides buffs/hexes to friendlies and enemies whereas the Commander oversees the entire battle from the MCC. Technician, maybe - but it kinda sounds like it would be doing what the Logistics does and might confuse newer players. Hrmm... Brigadier? Not sure, drawing a blank on a good name for a squad leader role =P Well considering that it doesn't have to be a squad leader who uses that suit, it could always be called a Tactician Dropsuit. We haven't really used that word much in Dust so it should be free. If not that, I'd go with Controller like one of the guys here suggested. I'd like being called a "Troll." "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 316	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:14:00 - [20] - Quote All I have to say is this. MAG. Delta Bunker. Third Platoon. SVER Dom. OIC and Platoon leader in my squad. We successfully defended that bunker for 15 minutes after every other bunker had fallen on the map. The enemy Platoon leader finally Precisioned us out of it. They would place the charges on, I'd hop out and stop them in roughly a second due to the AoE buffs and my skill set. Best part, I was friends with some of the enemy, the Platoon Leader in particular. She was raging so hard because they couldn't stop us. So, yes, I would like the Crusader suit to be released, eventually. Along with a Grenadier. And an Engineer (Drones). xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5109	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:51:00 - [21] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I would like to see it. On the subject of the name though, I think it should be called a "Marauder" suit You see, Minmatar Crusader sounds weird but Amarr Marauder sounds even weirder. I agree with above that Technician or Commander would be better (though Commander could be confused with Commando) Would work in theory if we didn't have a Commander suit in concept. Crusader leads the squad and provides buffs/hexes to friendlies and enemies whereas the Commander oversees the entire battle from the MCC. Technician, maybe - but it kinda sounds like it would be doing what the Logistics does and might confuse newer players. Hrmm... Brigadier? Not sure, drawing a blank on a good name for a squad leader role =P Well considering that it doesn't have to be a squad leader who uses that suit, it could always be called a Tactician Dropsuit. We haven't really used that word much in Dust so it should be free. If not that, I'd go with Controller like one of the guys here suggested. I'd like being called a "Troll." Tactician. Love it. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2074	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:56:00 - [22] - Quote I doubt they will do any more work on the Crusader until they release/balance the pilot suit. But yeah I'd love a Legionnairy suit, and a grenadier, and a brawler. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Buwaro Draemon Science For Death 139	Posted - 2014.02.27 01:15:00 - [23] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: How about calling it the same name as in EVE for what it does. A command ship offers fleet bonuses. So call it a Command suit. Not commander, that implies the guy in charge of the whole team. Like the fleet commander wouldn't be the guy in the command ship. But, it is CCP. They named a heavy suit with two weapons a Commando. That is the very opposite of what a commando is. A commando would rightly be a light suit with dual wield (akimbo) capability. Also, I am offended by the word Commando. A commando killed my family. There can't be a suit called the Command suit because that suit will be used to pilot the MCC
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1348	Posted - 2014.02.27 01:23:00 - [24] - Quote How about a suit that projects a false reading to create a decoy target. Call it a Baiter suit. And if you achieve lvl 5 you are a Master Baiter. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1180	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:35:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: How about a suit that projects a false reading to create a decoy target. Call it a Baiter suit. And if you achieve lvl 5 you are a Master Baiter. I see what u did there lol I'd love a "Bait" Grenade tho. Scouts are less likely to carry locus and flux if they had other options like a EMP grenade or "Bait" grenade. Tossing the grenade to the side and waiting for someone to bite. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1180	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:36:00 - [26] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I doubt they will do any more work on the Crusader until they release/balance the pilot suit. But yeah I'd love a Legionnairy suit, and a grenadier, and a brawler. I'd imagine they would release them at the same time. If not the "Crusader" earlier. Pilot suit would have to come in the 4 flavors and we only have two flavors of vehicles. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1182	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:01:00 - [27] - Quote Bored and at school... I'd love if each Crusader, I'll be calling it the Tactician suit from here on, had a racial bonus to a certain aspect of HP. The Amarr Tactician would pass out Armor resistance, Gallente would pass out Armor Rep, Caldari would pass out Shield HP buffs, while Minmatar would pass out Shield Resistance. With a general bonus to CPU and PG for Tactician Modules Make them a medium frame with a little health but enough slots to match a top tier ADV assault suit. Give me cool Tactician Modules as well: 1. Decreasing Reload Speed of hostiles 2. Increasing Reload Speed of squad 3. Increase Passive Scan duration 4. Decrease Enemy's Passive Scanning Ability 5. Stamina Regeneration Increase 6. Stamina Drain 7. Increase Optimal Range by a small amount 8. Decrease enemy Optimal Range by a small amount 9. Increase Damage Amount 10. Decrease Damage Amount 1-2 being focused on Minmatar, 3-4 for Gallente, 5-6 for Amarr, and 7-8 for Caldari. 9-10 being in general. This is all lore wise. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3295	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:21:00 - [28] - Quote Like many ideas, it was probably something CCP thought was a great idea, but then was scrapped when they lost interest. No.
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 30	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:36:00 - [29] - Quote My ideas for Commander/Crusader/Squad Leader Suit Module-Types: 1) Stop/weaken shield regen (balance against armor repair tools) 2) Decoy/Sensor Scrambler (would create 'ghosts' on the enemies minimap that would clear if caught Line-of-sight) 3) AoE Nanohive (this would provide the occasional bump of ammo, essentially a very slow nanohive) 4) Detailed Sensors (this would differentiate light/med/heavy suits, and provide a slight boost to all sensor ranges) 5) Off-Map Support Control Modules (you could drop a turret and operate it remotely, for instance) 6) EMP Burst (20 meter flux grenade type burst originating on the suit, long cooldown) 7) Scout/Recon drone (fit with a sidearm weapon, 1 per module, 250 armor) 8) Detailed Squad Commands ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1875026#post1875026 ) 9) 10) etc. Discuss! Boost your squad's points by 40%, learn to use the Squad Wheel! I provide training: 1M isk: 90 Minutes of Basic Command


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