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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:45:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:There will be dev blogs in time, but please don't spam the forums with topics asking for them. We know you want them, we want to give you them, but we don't want to give them to you until they're done and ready.
Can you at least tell us how the Hamsters are doing?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:46:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Don't be a douche.
Between replying to the shitposts on the forums, and community tickets, and technical support, and then relaying all the important **** to the Devs that are working on the game, the Community Devs don't exactly have a fuckton of time to write a long Dev blog that tells you what you demand. Being a CCP apologist doesn't get them off their ass, keeping their feet to the coals will.
And this is why the vast majority of developers don't seem to interact very often with their communities. The communities are full of assholes.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7021
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:55:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:And this is why the vast majority of developers don't seem to interact very often with their communities. The communities are full of assholes. I hate it when people that pay me money have reasonable expectations of me too.
You don't get it. You have a right to complain, but there is a fine line between filing a complaint and just outright bothering the devs. What the OP suggests is bothering the devs when clearly they already know what we want.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:59:00 -
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Overall, I'm just glad that the Dust community isn't as bad as the Call of Duty community. I remember reading the news some time ago in which one of the devs for CoD changed the stats on one of the tactical rifles for rebalancing purposes but then later on his Twitter account was bombarded by a massive flood of angry players actually threatening the poor man's life and family with **** and murder. It was all over ******* Twitter.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7025
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Posted - 2014.02.26 17:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I'm saying, being a douchbag to guys who are pretty much doing this out of a labor of love I'm pretty sure they are doing this for a paycheck, not because they are sweet guys.
I look at it this way...
For every second a dev has to take their time to respond to a repeat thread (this is a repeat thread btw) of the same topic that was addressed already by another dev not too long ago, is every second not spent working on game to improve it or at least every second not spent putting together the dev blog. If you want the Dev Blog out sooner rather than later, then please stop bothering the devs over it and let them finish it.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7025
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Posted - 2014.02.26 17:15:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I look at it this way...
For every second a dev has to take their time to respond to a repeat thread (this is a repeat thread btw) of the same topic that was addressed already by another dev not too long ago, is every second not spent working on game to improve it or at least every second not spent putting together the dev blog. If you want the Dev Blog out sooner rather than later, then please stop bothering the devs over it and let them finish it. You aren't entirely untrue, but I submit a rebuttal: If I told my customers that I will have something done soon(TM). That I will be updating them, but I will not be telling them WHEN I will be updating them. Well, I'd be written up (or fired if this was a reoccurring problem) and I'd have no one to blame but myself.
Assuming that's company policy. But this is CCP we're talking here. Saying "Soon" IS THEIR COMPANY POLICY!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7027
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Posted - 2014.02.26 17:40:00 -
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RailTank QQ wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I look at it this way...
For every second a dev has to take their time to respond to a repeat thread (this is a repeat thread btw) of the same topic that was addressed already by another dev not too long ago, is every second not spent working on game to improve it or at least every second not spent putting together the dev blog. If you want the Dev Blog out sooner rather than later, then please stop bothering the devs over it and let them finish it. You aren't entirely untrue, but I submit a rebuttal: If I told my customers that I will have something done soon(TM). That I will be updating them, but I will not be telling them WHEN I will be updating them. Well, I'd be written up (or fired if this was a reoccurring problem) and I'd have no one to blame but myself. Counter-point: If you did tell them WHEN and WHAT and were unable to meet the aforementioned deadline due to, oh I don't know, your staff quitting or a production clusterduck like having a machine break and parts take two weeks to get, how happy do you think they'd be? Work in manufacturing, your patience with this kind of 'development' will be longer than prolly anyone else you'll meet. This is why they give us SOON and crap like that, because they most likely either don't know, or don't want to deal with the poopstorm we've been known to unleash at the drop of a hat about anything. Also, Shanghai is still just horribly understaffed for what they need to do : /
Exactly. I use to work for a manufacturing company as a parts procurement guy. Those parts were for building missiles and satellites in Brazil. Often times, despite management telling me to hurry the frakk up, I had to tell management something to the effect of the following every now and then even for a part that's on rush.
"Sorry, but the chip we need has an estimated lead time of greater than 5 weeks to manufacture even under rush delivery and there are no other sources available (not even from China). That missile is going to have to wait and so will your client."
NOTE: When a manufacturer posts an unreasonably long lead time on a part, that's code for "we don't know when it's ready to be honest with you."
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7028
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Posted - 2014.02.26 18:25:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
NOTE: When a manufacturer posts an unreasonably long lead time on a part, that's code for "we don't know when it's ready to be honest with you."
I agree with the content of your post, I just trimmed it for brevity. I do want to respond to this part specifically because I can certainly sympathize with the people who are getting frustrated with the current method of establishing a verbal roadmap. There are many parts of this game that have no timeframe, let alone an unreasonably long one. Without any sort of time reference, it is really difficult to be angry with CCP for not meeting deadlines, simply because there are no deadlines. Not that I am upset about this, I long ago resolved my internal conflicts with the realities of CCPs methods of production. I will say this though: When the only people who are content with the development schedule are people who have essentially given up on this game being good any time soon, that is a horribly caustic environment to create within your community. I am consistently advising people to reduce their expectations of CCP, so as to save themselves the frustration of disappointment. If cynicism is the default in all your long term users, then something is clearly wrong. I feel bad for people who think that this game is going to take some sudden leap forward. That alone should speak volumes, but maybe I am just to much of a skeptic to be a productive member of this community. Tinfoil hat time: CCP does not want to provide any sort of accurate guesstimates for when features may be ready because if portions of this community were to find out that feature x that they are waiting desperately for will not be released for x months/years there might be an exodus of players. Really though, it is just easier and more accurate to blame gross incompetence on the part of the previous EP, and hope that if you give Rouge a couple of more months then we might see a proper set of goals and timelines. That hope is completely irrational, and I do not advice anyone to put anything more than a spec of hope into a solid turn around on this project.
Lowering our expectations is something us Eve Online players have gotten use to. Just look at the captain's quarters for instance. No one knows when CCP will finally open that damn door for once and so far CCP has been pretty mum about it. In fact, many Eve Online players just want that CQ to just shut down and go back to ship spinning for the rest of our lives.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7029
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Posted - 2014.02.26 18:38:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
Lowering our expectations is something us Eve Online players have gotten use to. Just look at the captain's quarters for instance. No one knows when CCP will finally open that damn door for once and so far CCP has been pretty mum about it. In fact, many Eve Online players just want that CQ to just shut down and go back to ship spinning for the rest of our lives.
Exactly. It is a problem of culture within CCP, and one that will not be addressed anytime soon. Which is very unfortunate.
Well, at least it's a hell lot better than EA's culture. Lie to your investors about the profit potential of BF4 and convince them to buy your shares at $60 a piece only to see a hit in profits after release and suffer a share price drop from $60 to $22 a share followed by a complete investigation by a third-party law firm.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7037
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:05:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Don't be a douche.
Between replying to the shitposts on the forums, and community tickets, and technical support, and then relaying all the important **** to the Devs that are working on the game, the Community Devs don't exactly have a fuckton of time to write a long Dev blog that tells you what you demand. Being a CCP apologist doesn't get them off their ass, keeping their feet to the coals will. And this is why the vast majority of developers don't seem to interact very often with their communities. The communities are full of assholes. So calling the devs out for information is being an *******? Good one. Until the devs give us solid data on a consistent basis and actually try to discuss changes with us (even through the CPM, I don't care what the interface is so long as there is an actual dialogue) I will continue to demand accountability for a game I've paid money for and would like to do again in the future. As it is, I stopped playing after the 'mouse overhaul' ruined my gaming experience and refuse to play without proper mouse support.
You can be critical to CCP if you like. I'm sometimes critical too especially on the nova knives and scout suits, but I don't go out and be a genitalia about it. I post my criticism in the most meaningful and constructive way possible. Just take a look at JudgeRhadamansus' critique on dropships and redline rail tanks. His video on YouTube was so well thought out and detailed that CCP responded to it and said that the video is excellent and being forwarded to the appropriate dev team.
Now compare that to a rant or just general douche baggery. Almost no response for those except maybe a lock by the GM.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
7091
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:40:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Throwing a man a bone for a well-thought out idea is not the same thing as being critical of the process and demanding CCP do better.
Um, I said a well thought out critique, not an idea. Read my post again.
What Judge Rhadamanthus posted on the issue with the redline rail tanks is not an idea. It's a well-thought CRITICISM of the problem faced by dropship pilots. If you notice he didn't go out of his way to make any demands. He let the video show the problem first and then made a few recommendations while still keeping the issue front and center but in a professional and concise way. That's how you help CCP develop the game further.
Demands however are a completely different animal from constructive criticism.
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