DUST Search - It's almost like he's talking about Dust 514

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

Iv reached the point i wont play or pay for any game with microtransactions in them. They have just runined the market completly.

Saying it costs to much to makes these games is rubish either get your costs under control. Or develop cheeper games till you can make ur big.

See blizzard as an exmaple

Blizzard had chopped 30% of its employees this year I believe and they're losing money in world of warcraft development and other games in operational costs.

As for game budgets most of them are going astronomical and ARE rivaling movies or sometimes surpassing them in cost totals.

Call of Duty Ghosts was certainly one of those games that done so.

As graphics get improved as the games get more complicated as games fidelity and demand for better quality increases so does the price significantly. Its a factor on part of the technology and man hours to do so these days. The number is out there but an xbox one launch game is costing nearly 5x more than a xbox 360 launch game.

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Cosgar ParagonX 9136	Posted - 2014.02.26 06:04:00 - [1] - Quote Angry Joe's top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2013 (#6) Should cash shops and paying for early access betas be the usual norm in the gaming industry? Did it truly help Dust 514 in the long run? Am I just bitter and probably trolling? Or does Angry Joe have a point about paying for a game in "beta?" I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1097	Posted - 2014.02.26 06:45:00 - [2] - Quote /me looks at his stash of BPO's from early beta, etc... If you don't want to pay or participate, don't.
tander09 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 38	Posted - 2014.02.26 07:21:00 - [3] - Quote polishes Milita AR BPO I'm not even mad. Besides, My ISK needs to be put into something useful (SP SKILLBOOKS!!!!) AMARRIAN4LYFE!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1407	Posted - 2014.02.26 08:12:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Angry Joe's top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2013 (#6) Should cash shops and paying for early access betas be the usual norm in the gaming industry? Did it truly help Dust 514 in the long run? Am I just bitter and probably trolling? Or does Angry Joe have a point about paying for a game in "beta?" Hey Cosgar, nice to see you here again! I think this beta early access crap is just the next step of overhyping. Just see how much CCP overhyped their game and started their money grubbing scheme early on. But DayZ takes the price, where the creator is now leaving the game before it is even released: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dayz-creator-dean-rocket-hall-will-leave-developer-bohemia-this-year/1100-6417925 Interesting question: Are early access games just a new type of Ponzi scheme, where your return of investment is a "good fun game to play"? Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Scheherazade VII 276	Posted - 2014.02.26 09:35:00 - [5] - Quote I think he has a point. What does it say about the company and the future of the game when you have a fully-functional micro-transaction market whilst thei game isn't fully functional? I'm not on about DUST here just commenting in general.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2379	Posted - 2014.02.26 10:02:00 - [6] - Quote Iv reached the point i wont play or pay for any game with microtransactions in them. They have just runined the market completly. Saying it costs to much to makes these games is rubish either get your costs under control. Or develop cheeper games till you can make ur big. See blizzard as an exmaple "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 174	Posted - 2014.02.26 10:22:00 - [7] - Quote looks at all his bpo's preety sure i got my moneys worth.......... wait whats the threqad about again?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7608	Posted - 2014.02.26 10:27:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Angry Joe's top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2013 (#6) Should cash shops and paying for early access betas be the usual norm in the gaming industry? Did it truly help Dust 514 in the long run? Am I just bitter and probably trolling? Or does Angry Joe have a point about paying for a game in "beta?" Saw that a while back and honestly felt it was applicable to Dust....but what is is....and that's the end of that. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4262	Posted - 2014.02.26 10:41:00 - [9] - Quote Lol that is alot like dust... Beta over a year.. Long ass grind to test proto... Or you could buy and use aurum to reach It earlier.. LOL GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 185	Posted - 2014.02.26 11:52:00 - [10] - Quote Games exist to make money for the publisher. The good ones make you forget this, while the bad ones rub it in your face every day. Take CIG and Star Citizen for example. Over 400k players have given them nearly 50 million dollars. That dev team makes even the lowest funder feel like they're shaping the game. They poll the playerbase daily, have weeklylivestreams, contests, and do enough visibly that players always know what's going on. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13201	Posted - 2014.02.26 11:58:00 - [11] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv reached the point i wont play or pay for any game with microtransactions in them. They have just runined the market completly. Saying it costs to much to makes these games is rubish either get your costs under control. Or develop cheeper games till you can make ur big. See blizzard as an exmaple Blizzard had chopped 30% of its employees this year I believe and they're losing money in world of warcraft development and other games in operational costs. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1722	Posted - 2014.02.26 12:04:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Angry Joe's top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2013 (#6) Should cash shops and paying for early access betas be the usual norm in the gaming industry? Did it truly help Dust 514 in the long run? Am I just bitter and probably trolling? Or does Angry Joe have a point about paying for a game in "beta?" I didn't pay for my early access. Free to play and mobile games are the future and are killing consoles. Don't forget that. The boosters and things that I payed for during beta was returned to me at release so I don't care about that. If CCP hadn't let players into the beta I don't think the game would have went very far. This community has made the game what it is. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 996	Posted - 2014.02.26 12:12:00 - [13] - Quote Anyone who knows anything about the video game market knows F2P averages more income than typical retail games, so most people think its the way the industry is gonna go. That leads to a lot of hate because people think it generally means less content for more money, which is usually true. CCP thought so as well and made dust F2P to cash in on the market, and it worked on most of us. Dust is still severely lacking on one of the key points of F2P though....Having a good way to show off purchased cosmetics, and the selling of these ACTUALLY special cosmetics as well. We were suckers for suits when there was a warbarge but we care a lot less now without the ability to regularly show off our suits. We also need better cosmetics than just reskins, we need things like a little drone that has functionality in game & cosmetic use out of game, like following you in the barge & chillin in the MQ. GEEEEEEETTT SOOOOOOMMMMMEEEE!!!!!!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1722	Posted - 2014.02.26 12:18:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv reached the point i wont play or pay for any game with microtransactions in them. They have just runined the market completly. Saying it costs to much to makes these games is rubish either get your costs under control. Or develop cheeper games till you can make ur big. See blizzard as an exmaple Blizzard had chopped 30% of its employees this year I believe and they're losing money in world of warcraft development and other games in operational costs. As for game budgets most of them are going astronomical and ARE rivaling movies or sometimes surpassing them in cost totals. Call of Duty Ghosts was certainly one of those games that done so. As graphics get improved as the games get more complicated as games fidelity and demand for better quality increases so does the price significantly. Its a factor on part of the technology and man hours to do so these days. The number is out there but an xbox one launch game is costing nearly 5x more than a xbox 360 launch game. I don't want to be rude or insulting to anyone but it is the players who have done it. We demand 1080p but what is the percentage of players who have a TV large enough to need 1080p, we want realistic environments and physics and low ping times. We want named actors and movie spin offs. This is why I agree with CCP and other with developers listening to the players and then making a call on what is best for the game. The community may have all the right answers but they don't always know what is best for the whole. If CCP wants to make money then they need to have RL tangible objects for sell. Us nerds want a shirt that says "I kill DUST Bunnies" or "My other car is a Gunlogi". Lots of game studios are either going through heavy layoffs or closing all together. I read or hear about them a good bit. Part of the problems is with the popularity of video games. They make big money and there was a balloon of publishers and it either had to pop or go down. We are seeing the studios being thinned out by the market and only the really good or frugal will make it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1722	Posted - 2014.02.26 12:33:00 - [15] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Anyone who knows anything about the video game market knows F2P averages more income than typical retail games, so most people think its the way the industry is gonna go. That leads to a lot of hate because people think it generally means less content for more money, which is usually true. CCP thought so as well and made dust F2P to cash in on the market, and it worked on most of us. Dust is still severely lacking on one of the key points of F2P though....Having a good way to show off purchased cosmetics, and the selling of these ACTUALLY special cosmetics as well. We were suckers for suits when there was a warbarge but we care a lot less now without the ability to regularly show off our suits. We also need better cosmetics than just reskins, we need things like a little drone that has functionality in game & cosmetic use out of game, like following you in the barge & chillin in the MQ. People are starting to come around to the fact that they are paying $60 for a game, $60 for the different DLC, internet, online passes and all that stuff is starting to add up. F2P will have its place but for a good game to live then F2P has to be done really, really good. For many the first time they have to pay to go on in the game is a turn off, the constant begging for money or shoving transactions in our face is tiresome and if a person doesn't money to spend on the next level or has to wait 20 minutes for their life meter to recharge because they don't have the money for a faster recharge it is depressing and they put the game down. Children don't always have money to spend on the next part of the game and if you think that they aren't going to remember all this junk they are put through with mircotransactions then you are a fool. My son is 13 and daughter is 11 and they both hate F2P because they are not free to play, they are microtransaction games. They will carry that with them shopping from now on and publishers are going to shoot themselves in the foot with it if they don't do it properly. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2140	Posted - 2014.02.26 13:24:00 - [16] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: looks at all his bpo's preety sure i got my moneys worth.......... wait whats the threqad about again? Agreed. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5853	Posted - 2014.02.26 13:55:00 - [17] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: This community has made the game what it is. Don't blame us for this. Never forget More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2395	Posted - 2014.02.26 14:02:00 - [18] - Quote So this is what we care about not the fact that Cosgar is back... mkay Listen I'll change the song every week
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1820	Posted - 2014.02.26 14:13:00 - [19] - Quote Dust isn't in Beta anymore. Just because it lacks content doesn't mean it's a beta. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 69	Posted - 2014.02.26 14:29:00 - [20] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Dust isn't in Beta anymore. Just because it lacks content doesn't mean it's a beta. But it's definitely not a full polished game either...

Buster Friently Rosen Association 1860	Posted - 2014.02.26 15:06:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Angry Joe's top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2013 (#6) Should cash shops and paying for early access betas be the usual norm in the gaming industry? Did it truly help Dust 514 in the long run? Am I just bitter and probably trolling? Or does Angry Joe have a point about paying for a game in "beta?" IMHO, there's nothing wrong with paying for a game in "beta". The real problem is that some game developers, Dust and MWO teams, open a cash shop in "beta" because they are so desperate to not go under. This is the bad situation in my opinion. You have developers, that in a past era, would have just folded up shop that now manage to barely hang on by selling broken and incomplete games to the true believers like some kind of parasitic zombie. So, gaining income in beta isn't necessarily bad, but attempting to prop up your failed game by doing so is.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1724	Posted - 2014.02.26 18:10:00 - [22] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: This community has made the game what it is. Don't blame us for this. I am not pointing at this community in particular, We demand things, they come through with them and it costs more and/or takes longer to finish. All I'm saying. People want 64 vs 64 @ 60FPS @ 1080p and it just isn't gong to happen because the time, money or hardware resources aren't there. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke


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