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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:37:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Fraceska wrote:Dust's already small player base would be reduced even further? Because having a game on 2 consoles would decrease player count  Fail logic right here Why would you keep it on both? That means double the development and coding since both systems are not compatible in any way. So split an already small team into 2 smaller teams. Yeah that seems logical.
This is one of the many reasons that it may end up on PC/Steambox before the PS4.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:27:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:If there's no ps4 version then everything we have done and everything we were sold and the promises of 'the last fps you will ever play' was all bullsht, everything, absolutely everything.
The presentations
The wars
The people you met
All the time spent in the game
Everything anyone ever did for their corp or alliance
The feeling we got unlocking our first proto suits
The feeling we got unlocking our first proto weapons
Waiting for the new patches
Money spent for aurum AND to help ccp
Helping to keep hundreds of players in the game
Being on the forums
I am one of many who have potentially wasted much time being fed the guarantees and promises of CCP. Theres no actual yes or no for the ps4 version anyway but for those that are REALLY in the know, its obvious there will be a ps4 version, possibly a pc version but ccp made it clear that there won't be and theres about 3 pages of glaring problems that dust on the pc would cause.
CCP has never claimed that there would not be a PC version, only that there would be, at least initially, an exclusive to PS3.
That's all over and done with now. If you're making a game, and you want it to last 10 years like your existing flagship, you put it on the same platform. The platform that you are familiar with.
Now the case for PS3 in the first place was to capture the console market. That hasn't panned out for CCP, and frankly, the console market isn't nearly as attractive as it was say 4 years ago (when they started with Dust). SO, a PC port makes perfect sense because the game can be much better there and CCP wouldn't have to deal with a company like Sony to push out updates/content changes and the microtransaction market.. Also, both new consoles are basically watered down PCs anyway so a port to one is essentially a port to the other.
The original arguments against PC were that Dust might erode the playerbase of Eve and the mouse vs controller issue. We already have mouse control in Dust (A strong indication of CCP's interest in a PC port) and due to Dust not being massively embraced by the console community, the first argument is moot as well.
Development costs on PC would also be lower.
This is all speculation of course. We'll know when CCP wants us to know.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:40:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:I have an honestly ignorant noob question for you move-to-PC peeps.
Is it possible to stop botting/hacks on PC? I know other fps games suffer from these - we mercs will someday be deciding the fate of large alliances/wars and these hacks will destroy DUST's engame.
Is there any way CCP could deploy onto PC and realistically prevent this? My experience tells me no, but it would be great if more informed peeps could weigh in. That includes you too, CCP, no need to be shy here and this is really a dicussion about modern PC gaming in general.
Dust has server side authentication/replication of all actions.
Nothing is 100% against hacks/mods - no, not on consoles either. Server side calculations pretty much stop it cold though. There are plenty of games on PC that have no real presence of hacks/bots etc, in fact - nearly all of them.
Eve has been online for 10 years, and it does a pretty good job of keeping hacks off. Steam also runs some software to check for known hacking/botting software and it seems to do a pretty good job.
The real secret though is to make all important decisions server side rather than client side. Incidentally, Dust already has this. I wonder why? |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:44:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression.
They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided.
I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression.
They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. Videos, you can o watch them yourself on YouTube. I am not digging through hours of videos because a random who didn't know anyway, doesn't believe me.
Likewise. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:51:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression.
They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. Videos, you can o watch them yourself on YouTube. I am not digging through hours of videos because a random who didn't know anyway, doesn't believe me. Likewise. Haha, so you claim rumour yet won't go see for yourself? Ok then.
That's pretty much the definition of rumor - Some random makes a claim but provides no evidence to back the claim.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:59:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression.
They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. Videos, you can o watch them yourself on YouTube. I am not digging through hours of videos because a random who didn't know anyway, doesn't believe me. You claim, your burden of proof. I've watched each of the last three fanfests more than once and all i could ever hear was "no work is being done and there are no plans to do so". This does not equate to "no, never". You must have missed the specific question then as can be expected by 98% of dusts player base. Buster the evidence is there on YouTube, hold your ignorance.
Maybe you should practice reading, as that last response was not from me. All I've said is that I've never seen such a response from CCP as you've claimed. Please back your claim with evidence. I assume, until then, that it's just another rumor to add to the pile. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:23:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have pointed you in the right direction, I dont HAVE to prove anything.
YouTube is that way mate lol ----------------> "There's evidence in support of my claim somewhere in this general direction. Now prove me wrong." That's shifting the burden of proof on top of demanding the impossible (by definition) proof of a negative if you happen to be wrong after all. You can claim literally anything on that basis. I'll leave you with this: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens No you are simply trying to be smart and failing with a decent hype. Theres about 5 hours of video between them all on youtube about dust. I CBA to watch through them to find the particular moment but if you'd like to stop being an ignorant fool, you can do that you self. Its near the end of one of the videos where devs are asked questions. The channel is ccp or ccp games and its a dust fanfest video. Your choice.
I think he's succeeding in being smart. After all, you still haven't provided one shred of evidence to support your claim that CCP has said no PC port ever.
Rumor is rumor.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:28:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have pointed you in the right direction, I dont HAVE to prove anything.
YouTube is that way mate lol ----------------> "There's evidence in support of my claim somewhere in this general direction. Now prove me wrong." That's shifting the burden of proof on top of demanding the impossible (by definition) proof of a negative if you happen to be wrong after all. You can claim literally anything on that basis. I'll leave you with this: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens No you are simply trying to be smart and failing with a decent hype. Theres about 5 hours of video between them all on youtube about dust. I CBA to watch through them to find the particular moment but if you'd like to stop being an ignorant fool, you can do that you self. Its near the end of one of the videos where devs are asked questions. The channel is ccp or ccp games and its a dust fanfest video. Your choice. I think he's succeeding in being smart. After all, you still haven't provided one shred of evidence to support your claim that CCP has said no PC port ever. Rumor is rumor. No, you both choose to be ignorant. Would you watch hours of video to prove two ransoms on a forum right? and likewise I don't really expect either of you to watch all that either.
Actually. If you want my honest opinion? I wouldn't have made a claim about what CCP said without actually looking it up beforehand. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Iv seen the video buster, I have not made a false claim. I'm done here, you are clearly trolling or dumb.
I have pointed you to where you can find out for yourself, you choose not to.
lol.
You have made an unbacked claim. Yes you have.
Saying that you've seen it doesn't make it any less unbacked as a claim. I fail to understand how you fail to understand this.
You might like this:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/520156/memory-is-inherently-fallible-and-thats-a-good-thing/ |
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