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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7528	Posted - 2014.02.25 18:56:00 - [1] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire. The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal). There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr. The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint. I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... Technically the Amarr never started a war. We are doing God's work and uniting humanity under one banners as humanity should be. Its the other peoples of New Eden that are being evil sods about the whole thing. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7528	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:01:00 - [2] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Its because the Gallente are using the Minnies like puppets, pulling their strings to their own advantage Slavery under another name really, the Minnies should just revolt again And come back to their true brothers and sisters. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7528	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:18:00 - [3] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Simple answer we have a **** load of money we loned to the caldri Also the Amarr have arguably the most powerful military in New Eden. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't their entire Fleet (like hundreds/thousands of ships strong) get whelped by a handful of Jovian ships? The Battle of Vak'Atioth made the Rebellion easier as much of the Reclamation Fleet was wiped out by the Jovian motherships. That battle happened around the same time as the Gallente-Caldari War. Ah this is a common misconception. The Amarr deployed 200 ships against the Jove at Vak Atioth, less than 25% of their military might. Similarly less than a quarter of their fleet based might was deployed by Empress Sarum against the Elder Fleet which was decimated. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7530	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: The caldaris is allways welcome to try me out Quiet heathen. The day you actually have something of value to discuss regarding the cultures of those people outside your federation will signal the end times.... Just sit down please, you self inflating bravado is not of value here. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7531	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:02:00 - [5] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: The caldaris is allways welcome to try me out Quiet heathen. The day you actually have something of value to discuss regarding the cultures of those people outside your federation will signal the end times.... Just sit down please, you self inflating bravado is not of value here. UUUH did i hit soft spot and rock "unshakable"ammarian No but I appreciate intelligent and scholarly conversation when engaging in cultural discourse. Your...."knowledge" is somewhat lacking.....even in regards to your own people....... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7531	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:03:00 - [6] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: It is true that amarr is the greatest threat to humanity, You've said this before but what makes you think that? "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7532	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:11:00 - [7] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: It is true that amarr is the greatest threat to humanity, You've said this before but what makes you think that? It is the truth Adamance! Though you religious nuts will spin it as "The divine will of god". We Caldari are smart enough to not believe that. And yet your entire economy would have fallen apart without the money we lent you, and the Gallente overrunning your defences. We don't seek conquest, simply unity of all peoples. And end to fighting, and a time of mankinds rule over everything beneath the heavens. I somewhat consider you all a minority of the mainstream Caldari who by far and away are more respectful, loyal, and noble than this rabble we have assembled here. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7534	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:21:00 - [8] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: It is true that amarr is the greatest threat to humanity, You've said this before but what makes you think that? It is the truth Adamance! Though you religious nuts will spin it as "The divine will of god". We Caldari are smart enough to not believe that. And yet your entire economy would have fallen apart without the money we lent you, and the Gallente overrunning your defences. We don't seek conquest, simply unity of all peoples. And end to fighting, and a time of mankinds rule over everything beneath the heavens. I somewhat consider you all a minority of the mainstream Caldari who by far and away are more respectful, loyal, and noble than this rabble we have assembled here. Are you telling me the Caldari are indebted to the Amarr? Oh noesss :( I imagine the Imperial record keepers keep a very close eye on those files ;-) I wouldn't know but the Empress sent a massive economical renewal package to the Caldari during a time of economic strife, thus rejuvenating their economy as a sign of imperial friendship. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7534	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:29:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. And who took back Caldari Prime even with the deck stacked against them The Gallente? Oh yes. Yes we did. We shot down your genocide machine even as it threatened to glass our people. A major victory to the Federation...but the loss of the planet itself and acceptance of Mens Rappola's demilitarised zone proposal was more a win for the Caldari people that you know or could understand. They reclaimed the power to stand on their homeworld, even if under Federal/State sanctions. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7534	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:35:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. That's because all of these mercs keep fighting for the easy mode factions. Humm maybe I should start a Caldari Loyalist channel and start fighting for the Caldari proper and stop being a back bencher. The problem is I am an all rounder. I want and like all of the tech available. I was the same way in eve. Archon and Thanatos really outshine the Caldari Chimera. Same goes for all of the Cap ships unfortunately. Don't worry guys, shield has been UP in EVE for as long as I have known about CCP. (At least in eve on the capital side for sure) There's already a Caldari loyalist channel. As it happens, why do you think the Gallente/Minmatar are 'easy mode'? It's not because everyone fight for them, it's because everyone started fighting for them after they gained more momentum and initially crushed the Caldari resistance. There were good fights on day one FW. After that, you just gave up. Probably because of people like you, who complain on the forums instead of fighting for your factions. As for shield being UP in EVE, I find it hilarious that you bring this up. Perhaps it is, on the capital level - very much due to the effect of slave vs crystal sets. In the sub-cap zone, shields are generally better. Indeed, CCP have been buffing armour lately to address that. I don't and wont put much stock in Dust's FW system...it doesn't work well. Space side is all that matters. And surprisingly both Amarr and Cal have recently been winning despite issues with Dust's meddling. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7534	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:38:00 - [11] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Fraceska wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: Fraceska wrote: We were so willing to stop the 100 year war when we discovered the Amarr which were by far the larger threat than the Caldari State. Your morality and wanting to live like Caldari in support of an empire that enslaved entire civilizations for your own greedy empire. Just going to show you how "moral" you can be. How is slavery fitting into your meritocracy, bunch of hypocrites. It would have been better if you staid with the Federation. You should look more into what Gallante have really done. Gallante preach morality but do not necessarily practice it. They secretly practice unmoral tactics, oppression, and corruption. The Caldari personify strength and unity, capitalism and strength. The strong rise and the weak fall. They don't preach morality so they aren't limited by it. They only preach the Darwinist vision of bettering themselves and by extension their people. Through the fire and flames motha f---a. And how does your meritocracy apply to slavery? The opposite of what you claim to preach? You just as easily stand on the weak and trod on them to keep up your corporate power. There is no voice of the people. You have no Senate, no elections, your press is controlled through the various corporations. A Caldari would sell their mother if it meant advancing in the corporate ladder. You say you unite out of a commonality, in really it is just self preservation. You fear the loss of control as do those at the top of the corporate ladder. We have the first true Democratic Republic of New Eden. We liberate oppressed societies. We bring a renaissance of art, literature and culture. You have corporate labels and propaganda to prop yourselves up. How exactly do the lowest of the low ever get to prove themselves when it is already controlled by the corporate elite? Where were the Caldari when the Minmatar rebelled? Who supplied them? Who trained them? Who protected them? The Caldari state sided with their very oppressors. Claim the high ground all you wish but in the end you cannot trust a Caldari. Slaves? We don't own slaves. Caldari citizens are hard workers, there is no reason to own slaves. The caldari gives every citizen the chance to raise himself up, should he show himself worthy his actions will not go unnoticed. Silly gallente, we don't need a senate or elections, the best people for the job are already there, because they have proven to be the best and work the hardest we trust they have the best interests of their people at heart. A caldari would no sooner sell their mother for a raise than a gallente would sell his for 2 isk. What the caldari fear is your peoples relentless quest to stomp out our culture and way of life. Yes you do have the first democratic republic, and all that comes with it. A man who deals with the serpentis can become president, corruption is everywhere, warmongering to fuel your military industry, corruption built upon lies and broken promises and dreams of your people. As I said before, every caldari citizen can prove his worth, he simply has to show it. We were supplying the minmatar with the anti slave drug, I'm sure that some weapons managed to trickle their way from sansha. Though we couldn't do much because you were trying to stomp us out, don't be selective, your preaching freedom with one hand while oppressing with the other. We found an ally that could bully you, so we made a deal, its not like we had much of a choice. Its far easier to trust a caldari, they are firm on their resolve and you know where they stand. You can't ever trust a gallente, corruption is their life blood. Maybe this guy works for the serpentis too. He also doesn't seem to know how massively the Gallente are into propaganda and mass media control. Not to mention the power of media censor ship...... Additionally....the greater Galletean culture is a self satisfying, depraved, and utterly narcotic centric cesspit. Compare that to the artistry of the Amarr.....it doesn't really compare...even the Caldari have a stark appreciation for the primary forces of nature as reflected in their mythos. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7534	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:43:00 - [12] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. That's because all of these mercs keep fighting for the easy mode factions. Humm maybe I should start a Caldari Loyalist channel and start fighting for the Caldari proper and stop being a back bencher. The problem is I am an all rounder. I want and like all of the tech available. I was the same way in eve. Archon and Thanatos really outshine the Caldari Chimera. Same goes for all of the Cap ships unfortunately. Don't worry guys, shield has been UP in EVE for as long as I have known about CCP. (At least in eve on the capital side for sure) There's already a Caldari loyalist channel. As it happens, why do you think the Gallente/Minmatar are 'easy mode'? It's not because everyone fight for them, it's because everyone started fighting for them after they gained more momentum and initially crushed the Caldari resistance. There were good fights on day one FW. After that, you just gave up. Probably because of people like you, who complain on the forums instead of fighting for your factions. As for shield being UP in EVE, I find it hilarious that you bring this up. Perhaps it is, on the capital level - very much due to the effect of slave vs crystal sets. In the sub-cap zone, shields are generally better. Indeed, CCP have been buffing armour lately to address that. Actually I fight for Minmatar myself more. I have never been into the whole RP thing until recently (If you can call it rp lol) To be honest waiting 5, 10 , 20 + mins to get into a battle put me off FW all together. So in some ways I am to blame but blame the system first. As for EVE do you play eve? Damn right shields are better for sub caps (Well that is debateable). I personally loved small gang warfare in EVE. I actually ran a lot of Minmatar ships in eve too, even though I think my guy was at the 70+m sp mark when I left to start playing DUST. In the capital arena, yes it has always been about armour tanking for one reason or another. I loved tech 3 ships though in the sub cap arena. Tengus, and Lokis being my favourite. EDIT - Though once you experience the power of the Macharial, there really is no turning back! Lol you just asked if he played EVE..... really? "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7534	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote I'm not wholly familiar with your warzone....but I heard the Cal were pulling their **** together. Amarr/Min Side its more or less been a back and forth for the last few months. Though the Amarr just came down from a reign of power "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7535	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:56:00 - [14] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Gallente believe in total freedom. Amarr believe that slavery helps people along the spiritual path. Gallente naturally dislike Amarr. Caldari dislike Gallente. Makes sense Caldari ally themselves with Amarr. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Caldari are probably on better terms with the Mins them you would think. Just the politics of alliances make it assumed that mins don't like Caldari, even though their likely neutral at the center. That's not what we believe at all...merely one small aspect of it. Slavery is merely a trial to see if one is worthy of becoming a part of the empire, during which time your receive an Amarrian education and spiritual repurposing. What the Amarr believe is the mankind needs to be unified so that they can rule over all things beneath the heavens. Thus mankind must be united under one people and one empire so that the dignity and divinity of God's destiny can be upheld. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7539	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:34:00 - [15] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Gallente believe in total freedom. Amarr believe that slavery helps people along the spiritual path. Gallente naturally dislike Amarr. Caldari dislike Gallente. Makes sense Caldari ally themselves with Amarr. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Caldari are probably on better terms with the Mins them you would think. Just the politics of alliances make it assumed that mins don't like Caldari, even though their likely neutral at the center. What is QUITE wierd, if galenteans believe in TOTAL freedom, why they tried to TAKE US OUR BELIVES and DESECREATED OUR MONUMENTS?! You did, well within your rights, withheld information regarding colonies and weapon installations from them.....a terrorist cell did kill millions of people at Nouvelle Rouvenor, not to mention Hueromont........ admittedly most perpetrated by extremists... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7540	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:44:00 - [16] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: But then who would the Gallente and Amarr team-up with? Each other? lol at that idea. We'd crush the Gallente in open war! (( According to Mordu.)) "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7555	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:52:00 - [17] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. Man I just made this thread to think out loud basically. I had no idea people were so passionate on this subject. Like I said, I am not really a true Caldari. I have always been a "jack of all trades". And to Adamance, why is it funny if I asked Arkena Wyrnspire if he/she plays eve? Should I know of his eve character? @ Arkena Wyrnspire - What do you do in eve? Are you part of any of the major alliances or something? (I am certainly not the most clued up person when it comes to all of this I will freely admit, I do however find it all very fascinating) He does, I do...you probably don't know him.....but I think he is a couple of years ahead of me SP wise....... Either way to the best of my knowledge Arkena has been reasonably big in GAL FW. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7558	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:23:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. What exactly did they start? The Federation began annexing their colonies, and a Caldari splinter group attacked the Federation... So, the Federation responded by orbitally bombarding their home planet. The Federation makes itself look bad, it doesn't need any help. What exactly did the Federation expect from a proud people such as the Caldari when they began oppressing them?! Compliance? The Federation never 'annexed' colonies. They asked, and rightly so, why the Caldari were breaking existing agreements and mobilising forces in secret. The Caldari responded by razing a city and killing every man, woman and child in it. Clearly, we should just let that slide. You know better than that for all your statements of "rogue elements" at work. Templis Dragonaurs are as extremist as your Right Wing Conservatives. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7559	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:30:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. We just exercised our right to secede after you went batshit because we made frontier defenses and frontier militias. Then you went bat **** about our secession, and started a war to bring us back under your green flag. In the end, you kinda lost because we are still a sovereign state. We both just decided that thousands of lives were enough, and quit fighting. We started a war? The very first lives lost were when you razed an entire city! Quit fighting? Why are you still throwing ship after ship at us? Committing titans, supercarriers, capital fleets, dreadnoughts? Terrorists blew up your underwater town, not Caldari Warships. Your line of thinking would be like "9/11 was caused by Iraqis. NUKE IRAQ." And, You attacked Caldari Prime first. Was it your planet to police? No. But you decided to rally the troops, feed the horses, we're charging! And we retaliated for your troops "Unexpected" Arrival on our home planet. If The Caldari Plopped Battalions of Peacekeepers on Gallente Prime, would you not rally the troops for a counteratack? Oh, I see, of course. 'Terrorists'. I suppose an entire city dying is alright then. Was it our planet to police? Perhaps not. Was Nouvelle Rouvenor yours to butcher? No. If we had razed an entire city over a trading dispute, would you just let it go? In Amarrian space we constantly police the space lane for our criminals.....admittedly they are all zealots and cultists of the worst kind....and we do assume guilt before proof is given.....but hell several thousand years of relative imperial stability speak for themselves..... I'm so glad my people aren't batshit insane like yours are..... ((That's right I said it............let the lore nerding rage begin.)) "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7562	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:41:00 - [20] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Amarr don't have batshit insane people? Blood raiders, equilibrium of mankind, and more cults mirroring the blood raiders than I can be bothered to mention. I'm certainly forgettinggroups but if these guys alone aren't crazy enough I'm sure we can find more highly fleshed out groups. They aren't Amarr. Being Amarr is beyond your bloodline. I've been telling people this for 9 months now...... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7562	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:45:00 - [21] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: True Adamance wrote: They aren't Amarr. Being Amarr is beyond your bloodline. I've been telling people this for 9 months now...... OMG You're pregnant! God does wondrous and mysterious things..... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7564	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:56:00 - [22] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: True Adamance wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Amarr don't have batshit insane people? Blood raiders, equilibrium of mankind, and more cults mirroring the blood raiders than I can be bothered to mention. I'm certainly forgettinggroups but if these guys alone aren't crazy enough I'm sure we can find more highly fleshed out groups. They aren't Amarr. Being Amarr is beyond your bloodline. I've been telling people this for 9 months now...... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Equilibrium_of_Mankind according to this the Eom founder was of pure amarr blood, as for the blood raiders omir isn't pure amarr however he is the son of a noble https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Omir_Sarikusa. I mean being Amarr is more than just blood. True Amarr is a title for the Children of Athra..... it means nothing if we are one unified with our people, nor if we do not believe in God. If any names have been stripped from the Book of Names...they are not Amarr at all. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7569	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:13:00 - [23] - Quote medomai grey wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire. The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal). There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr. The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint. I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... The Caldari are "allied" with the Amarr to maintain a balance of power. Further more the Minmatar are allied with the Gallente which would make allying with them impossible. You also seem to have many misconceptions of the current Amarr empire. They aren't the villains you think they are and they sure as hell aren't the biggest threat to the verse; ever hear of Sansha's Nation? I highly recommend that you go talk to an Amarr like True_Adamance to learn more about the Amarr. You speak the truth.....there is much darkness in this cluster. And it is my duty to root it out and destroy it. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7569	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:18:00 - [24] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Michael Arck wrote: If you truly know the Caldari way, then you would know that the Minmatar character profile doesn't align with the thought patterns of Caldari. Of course you can point similarities. Lost of Caldari Prime = Enslavement. Both can be considered underdogs fighting for their respect. But the way Caldari carry themselves and their outlook on their situation is not of Minmatar's outlook. The Caldari are stern, strong and silent. We uphold ourselves to a much more honorable way of life. Any true citizen of Caldari would understand this. And thats reason why they should put power together. From strategy means, if we aly with Minmatar there will be galenteans alone, Amarss will start open war with them like with heretics and we will prosper with mataris on that basis. There will be bigger progress and both Caldari vbrothers and sisters and mataris will profiting by that, because we will both be from the hook. You would be a fool to think you could cross the Empress (if you read the lore Jamyl Sarum is not a woman to **** with)....for the most part Michael is right, the Caldari are not only honourable, but they have long memories, and will not forget what the Empire has helped them achieve. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7576	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:29:00 - [25] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Michael Arck wrote: If you truly know the Caldari way, then you would know that the Minmatar character profile doesn't align with the thought patterns of Caldari. Of course you can point similarities. Lost of Caldari Prime = Enslavement. Both can be considered underdogs fighting for their respect. But the way Caldari carry themselves and their outlook on their situation is not of Minmatar's outlook. The Caldari are stern, strong and silent. We uphold ourselves to a much more honorable way of life. Any true citizen of Caldari would understand this. And thats reason why they should put power together. From strategy means, if we aly with Minmatar there will be galenteans alone, Amarss will start open war with them like with heretics and we will prosper with mataris on that basis. There will be bigger progress and both Caldari vbrothers and sisters and mataris will profiting by that, because we will both be from the hook. You would be a fool to think you could cross the Empress (if you read the lore Jamyl Sarum is not a woman to **** with)....for the most part Michael is right, the Caldari are not only honourable, but they have long memories, and will not forget what the Empire has helped them achieve. Honestly who profiting in WAR rule the WAR. If Amarr will in genocide with Galenteans, there will be just one only profit and that profit will be on Caldari and Minmatar. War can be decimating even if you have great empire, but who will rule the market that will be one and only winner. Because without travels and market there is not logisticks and without them war can be lost in few days. It really seems like you dont think like Caldari my dear theocratical friend. btw.:with all respect im not in this empress thingy, i dont see prosperity in one person, but in progress I am not one to make speculations over imperial politics but why do you suppose the Gallente are just going to let the Caldari waltz away with their allies...... I don't think you understand what the Minmatar are.... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7579	Posted - 2014.02.26 01:45:00 - [26] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: It is true that amarr is the greatest threat to humanity, You've said this before but what makes you think that? Because your empress is infected, her mind has been touched by a force that is pure evil, the devil himself. Your empress sits upon the throne of the most powerful empire in new eden and this consciousness seeks only to destroy all of humanity. Your faith must be strong amarrian, for her sake for she battles this force constantly in her mind. You would really enjoy the book Templar one. IC you don't know that...thus that's not a good enough reason. No doubt I would. Characters like Jamyl Sarum are interesting, and in their own way the kinds of anti-heroes needed to get things done. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7580	Posted - 2014.02.26 01:58:00 - [27] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Vance Vyth wrote: why cant we all just live in harmony and forgive each other ..? Because the Amarr keep respawning Cause someone has to blow this scouts ass away with a rail gun...... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7593	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:48:00 - [28] - Quote Fraceska wrote: A society must exist with laws and guidelines. History as shown and still shows in the Amarr and Caldari states what happens when human aggression is allowed to run rampantly unchecked. Slavery of entire cultures. We knew what would happen the those Caldari not blessed to have parents in the highest positions to go to the right schools to make the right connections. You do not have a true meritocracy. Your elite wanted their own power to dictate to those beneath without elections or voices of their own. So before you call the kettle black look at your own pot. How do you know this? Your people barely emerged out of the dark ages and you are talking like there was a time before that? I don't think you know much about your own people Franceska, you can pretend your people live in their word of excess and narcotics....but the harsh truth is that behind that thin veneer that if your media image that you propagate to yourself.....the filth is there, it is present, and your people suffer for it. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7634	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:26:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: The Caldari are a generally quiet, industrious people with a stoic spirituality that is willing to forgoe the identity of the individual for the identity of the group. They have helped out the minmatar before out of sheer goodwill but the minmatar economy is prettymuch on life support from the gallente federation - making the minmatar essentially the North Korea to the Gallentes china. The Minmatar are a loud, fast, vivid, outspoken group that can often be lazy and fractious when it comes to anything but the amarr, the minmatar place a very heavy emphasis on being an individual first and a member of a tribe second and spend a large time trying to figure out when to reconcile the needs of the individual versus the needs of the group. For the most part the caldari have little to offer the minmatar tribes because it is impossible to penetrate caldari society unless you were born as a caldari and raised in one of the corporations or are willing to become a client state, racial mixing is an abomination to both the caldari and the minmatar who desperately try to keep racial bloodlines 'pure'. In short the two groups just really don't mesh as individuals or cultures and they don't really have anything to offer each other. The best summary yet. Cultural Purity is a large driving force in Caldari society. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7635	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:33:00 - [30] - Quote [quote=CommanderBolt]Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire.quote] WHOA HOLY SHIY JUST SAW THIS! Yes the Caldari are. They are at war with the Gallente over the perceived degradation and threat to their puritanical cultural identity, a cultural identity the defines and drives their people in everything they do, and one that has driven them into war with a large nation. Most Caldari would die before they disgrace their families, ancestors, megacorporations, sense of culture. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

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