DUST Search - Tinfoil hat time:CCP is intentionally breaking things

Ripley Riley wrote:

First, accept the fact that Dust is still in a beta testing state. I know we had an official launch, but we were (and still are) missing dozens of features. Hell, even after 1.8 we still won't have full racial weapon parity (see: lack of Amarr and Gallente heavy weapons). We lack the player-market that New Eden is famous for, and their isn't any industry to speak of. There are many more features to discuss, but I think I would run out of characters...

Now if you were a game developer and you wanted to continue development on a game that was not ready for launch, but wanted to avoid the financial burden of keeping a game in beta, what would you do? Launch it with just enough features to be considered playable. Allow players to login, play with the few toys you do have developed, and make sure your in-game market is fully operational. Not every player will pay you, but a few will. Those few players will allow you to continue to develop the game without operating in the red.

Fast forward two years, your game is now ready for launch (for real this time). Your guinea pi-I MEAN veteran players have funded your super extended beta testing phase so you can put a sizable amount of money into advertising. The game is much, much more polished that it was in version 1.0 so you can retain all those new players easily.

TL;DR - 1.0 isn't 1.0. Realistically, 2.5 is probably 1.0. We are just participating in an extended beta.

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Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 394	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:32:00 - [1] - Quote With ARs as they were,why would CCP put out something else that behaves exactly the same (RR)? Why is it when RR and CR were discovered to be OP did "Angerstar" RR and "Woundrot" CR became front page on the market? And as for slayer logis "Neo" Gk.0 was reduced in price temporarily. And now with PC,Negative-Feedback is essentially holding all districts hostage,demanding protection money. Is it a coincidence that the leader of this "new vision for PC" is a CPM,ya know someone who interacts with CCP frequently? Is it a coincidence that NF is breaking their own rules about district locking to provoke a war? Does CCP realise it isn't really a sandbox if they intentionally interfere? The answers are all obvious,CCP is manipulating the player base,and experimenting on us. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1312	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:38:00 - [2] - Quote We are the test bunnies. They can't have a public test server. So, yes we are playtesters. I agree they are puposefully messing with stuff to get money off aurum items too. They just shift it around periodically to hide the fact. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 506	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:40:00 - [3] - Quote You got the "Tinfoil Hat " part right, at least. lol
Rusty Shallows 1024	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:42:00 - [4] - Quote "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." - Napoleon Bonaparte Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 395	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:44:00 - [5] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: You got the "Tinfoil Hat " part right, at least. lol You are a fool that buries their head in the sand to hide from the truth. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 395	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:46:00 - [6] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." - Napoleon Bonaparte CCP was caught sparking a war in EVE,why wouldn't they do it here. They aren't stupid,this is intentional. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 506	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:49:00 - [7] - Quote Meee One wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: You got the "Tinfoil Hat " part right, at least. lol You are a fool that buries their head in the sand to hide from the truth. No, I just don't see a grand conspiracy between introducing new weapons, AUR gear sales, and PFC district locking. What's next? Buffing lasers is a scheme to overthrow the Minmatar race? Whatever you say, bud.
Chuckles Brown 157	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:53:00 - [8] - Quote +1 The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah?
Ripley Riley 641	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:54:00 - [9] - Quote First, accept the fact that Dust is still in a beta testing state. I know we had an official launch, but we were (and still are) missing dozens of features. Hell, even after 1.8 we still won't have full racial weapon parity (see: lack of Amarr and Gallente heavy weapons). We lack the player-market that New Eden is famous for, and their isn't any industry to speak of. There are many more features to discuss, but I think I would run out of characters... Now if you were a game developer and you wanted to continue development on a game that was not ready for launch, but wanted to avoid the financial burden of keeping a game in beta, what would you do? Launch it with just enough features to be considered playable. Allow players to login, play with the few toys you do have developed, and make sure your in-game market is fully operation. Not every player will pay you, but a few will. Those few players will allow you to continue to develop the game without operating in the red. Fast forward two years, your game is now ready for launch (for real this time). Your guinea pi-I MEAN veteran players have funded your super extended beta testing phase so you can put a sizable amount of money into advertising. The game is much, much more polished that it was in version 1.0 so you can retain all those new players easily. TL;DR - 1.0 isn't 1.0. Realistically, 2.5 is probably 1.0. We are just participating in an extended beta. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 396	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:00:00 - [10] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Meee One wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: You got the "Tinfoil Hat " part right, at least. lol You are a fool that buries their head in the sand to hide from the truth. No, I just don't see a grand conspiracy between introducing new weapons, AUR gear sales, and PFC district locking. What's next? Buffing lasers is a scheme to overthrow the Minmatar race? Whatever you say, bud. My point exactly,you have 0 concept of anything beyond your tunnel vision. Next time save yourself the embarrassment and don't post. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.

Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 261	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:04:00 - [11] - Quote Meee One wrote: With ARs as they were,why would CCP put out something else that behaves exactly the same (RR)? Why is it when RR and CR were discovered to be OP did "Angerstar" RR and "Woundrot" CR became front page on the market? And as for slayer logis "Neo" Gk.0 was reduced in price temporarily. And now with PC,Negative-Feedback is essentially holding all districts hostage,demanding protection money. Is it a coincidence that the leader of this "new vision for PC" is a CPM,ya know someone who interacts with CCP frequently? Is it a coincidence that NF is breaking their own rules about district locking to provoke a war? Does CCP realise it isn't really a sandbox if they intentionally interfere? The answers are all obvious,CCP is manipulating the player base,and experimenting on us. Presses lever, recieves food pellet and electric shock Working as intended. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6989	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:05:00 - [12] - Quote I THINK I KNOW WHO SHOT KENNEDY! IT WAS THE ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE! THEY WANTED REVENGE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED IN 1947! Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Asirius Medaius 869	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:10:00 - [13] - Quote Meee One wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." - Napoleon Bonaparte CCP was caught sparking a war in EVE,why wouldn't they do it here. They aren't stupid,this is intentional. Well, CCP does stand for "Crowd Control Productions"; we can't say we weren't warned. Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 508	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote Meee One wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Meee One wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: You got the "Tinfoil Hat " part right, at least. lol You are a fool that buries their head in the sand to hide from the truth. No, I just don't see a grand conspiracy between introducing new weapons, AUR gear sales, and PFC district locking. What's next? Buffing lasers is a scheme to overthrow the Minmatar race? Whatever you say, bud. My point exactly,you have 0 concept of anything beyond your tunnel vision. Next time save yourself the embarrassment and don't post. I got your point from the first post. I simply do not agree for the reasons mentioned above. Now, you can call me a tunnel-visioned fool who is embarrassing myself for posting my thoughts, and you have. And I can respond that you're nothing but someone with an active imagination and a bit of paranoia thrown in for good measure. Which is right? I'll let the readers decide, but not before posting my last four words in this thread.... DOWN WITH THE MATARI!
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 396	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:17:00 - [15] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Meee One wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Meee One wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: You got the "Tinfoil Hat " part right, at least. lol You are a fool that buries their head in the sand to hide from the truth. No, I just don't see a grand conspiracy between introducing new weapons, AUR gear sales, and PFC district locking. What's next? Buffing lasers is a scheme to overthrow the Minmatar race? Whatever you say, bud. My point exactly,you have 0 concept of anything beyond your tunnel vision. Next time save yourself the embarrassment and don't post. I got your point from the first post. I simply do not agree for the reasons mentioned above. Now, you can call me a tunnel-visioned fool who is embarrassing myself for posting my thoughts, and you have. And I can respond that you're nothing but someone with an active imagination and a bit of paranoia thrown in for good measure. Which is right? I'll let the readers decide, but not before posting my last four words in this thread.... DOWN WITH THE MATARI! A puzzle is best understood after being pieced together. You look at the pieces individually and say "well hurr i dun see nuffin". Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 396	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:24:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I THINK I KNOW WHO SHOT KENNEDY! IT WAS THE ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE! THEY WANTED REVENGE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED IN 1947! During the 9/11 terrorist attacks...why did building 7 fall (the third part of the WTC not hit by a plane)? Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2114	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:26:00 - [17] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: First, accept the fact that Dust is still in a beta testing state. I know we had an official launch, but we were (and still are) missing dozens of features. Hell, even after 1.8 we still won't have full racial weapon parity (see: lack of Amarr and Gallente heavy weapons). We lack the player-market that New Eden is famous for, and their isn't any industry to speak of. There are many more features to discuss, but I think I would run out of characters... Now if you were a game developer and you wanted to continue development on a game that was not ready for launch, but wanted to avoid the financial burden of keeping a game in beta, what would you do? Launch it with just enough features to be considered playable. Allow players to login, play with the few toys you do have developed, and make sure your in-game market is fully operational. Not every player will pay you, but a few will. Those few players will allow you to continue to develop the game without operating in the red. Fast forward two years, your game is now ready for launch (for real this time). Your guinea pi-I MEAN veteran players have funded your super extended beta testing phase so you can put a sizable amount of money into advertising. The game is much, much more polished that it was in version 1.0 so you can retain all those new players easily. TL;DR - 1.0 isn't 1.0. Realistically, 2.5 is probably 1.0. We are just participating in an extended beta. Yup, it's all about gettting ready for the PS4 "reboot" in 2015. Also, duh, it's CCP! Their entire existence past, present, and especially future, is wholly dependent on a continual mindfck propagated by flat-out encouragement of griefing, various exploits, and more subtle things like inciting wars and dangling carrots like new ships (EvE) or suits/weapons (Dust). "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"* -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2201	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:26:00 - [18] - Quote Of course new items would be front page on the store. Tankers- 'Hit us when are hardeners are down" Proceeds to run three hardeners. Proud member of RND
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 396	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:30:00 - [19] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Of course new items would be front page on the store. Weeks after they were released? Only after players complained on the forums that they were OP? Yeah,i don't think so,it's straight manipulation. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Scheherazade VII 266	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:34:00 - [20] - Quote Meee One wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I THINK I KNOW WHO SHOT KENNEDY! IT WAS THE ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE! THEY WANTED REVENGE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED IN 1947! During the 9/11 terrorist attacks...why did building 7 fall (the third part of the WTC not hit by a plane)? it felt left out.

Rusty Shallows 1028	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:49:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." - Napoleon Bonaparte CCP was caught sparking a war in EVE,why wouldn't they do it here. They aren't stupid,this is intentional. I sure hope they didn't have anything to do with the last big battle. Some people who lost Titans unsubscribe characters since getting a replacement is an Indy project measured in months and is an epic amount of effort. It costed CCP real money. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Ripley Riley 644	Posted - 2014.02.24 22:55:00 - [22] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Yup, it's all about getting ready for the PS4 "reboot" in 2015. I don't see CCP releasing Dust 514 on the PS4 in the next two years. The amount of time invested in coding for the arcane PS3 software is too high for them to drop it in 2015. They will wait on more ROI to be generated by the PS3 before migrating to PS4. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Rogue Saint Science For Death 945	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:00:00 - [23] - Quote I'm getting too much static from my tinfoil hat... not sure if this is a good or bad sign. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official +1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 736	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote CPM involved with the most game-breaking corp out there... That's great.... Plasma Cannon will have its chance if AR/HAV 514 is ever fixed
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1331	Posted - 2014.02.24 23:51:00 - [25] - Quote Meee One wrote: With ARs as they were,why would CCP put out something else that behaves exactly the same (RR)? Why is it when RR and CR were discovered to be OP did "Angerstar" RR and "Woundrot" CR became front page on the market? And as for slayer logis "Neo" Gk.0 was reduced in price temporarily. And now with PC,Negative-Feedback is essentially holding all districts hostage,demanding protection money. Is it a coincidence that the leader of this "new vision for PC" is a CPM,ya know someone who interacts with CCP frequently? Is it a coincidence that NF is breaking their own rules about district locking to provoke a war? Does CCP realise it isn't really a sandbox if they intentionally interfere? The answers are all obvious,CCP is manipulating the player base,and experimenting on us. That is how CCP works? That is their history.... CCP Actually means Crowd Control Productions. This is how they developed EVE under that name motto basically. You like your gamestyle? Too bad we are CCP Flips sh!t on its head now see how competitive you are with the game we completely changed from what you knew..... Then they deal with the Forum aftermath... Hotfix their little butts off to get the tweaks and bugs all sewed up... Take notes on what happened, Rinse, repeat... Welcome to CCP's game development process. Been going on for near 11 years.


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