DUST Search - Ambush ISK payouts should not be based on warpoints

stlcarlos989 wrote:

Soldier Sorajord wrote:

So basically you want the Heavy/Assault's reason for survival to get a big paycut. No. You must not logi with good equipment because I'm pretty sure my proto costs a hefty sum more than your Proto assault suit.

Edit: I am a Logi.

I use Proto Cal Logi with Proto needle, proto Allotek Nanohive (R) , Proto scanner my suit costs me 194K. My point is that in ambush the terminating the enemy's clones is the most important task, which could mean seeing an enemy on the ground and finishing their clone even if you didn't get the kill. Spamming uplinks and nanohives in ambush is usually pointless and is just a way to farm WP, the players who actually eliminate the enemies clones deserve the credit for the win in Ambush.

The only time you need uplinks in ambush is to get out of an area because the enemy has you pinned which is usually because
A) you had uplinks placed in a bad area that gets you trapped
B) you had to many supports bleeding clones and not enough killers so the enemy surrounds you.

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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1169	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:19:00 - [1] - Quote If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3480	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:23:00 - [2] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. What if you were able to terminate 20 of those 50 clones because a logi was following you around with a rep tool and throwing down hives when you were low on ammo? What if that same logi was reviving squadmates that fell alongside you, and securing your position with links? What if they got no kills while doing so? Do they deserve 0% of the teams' ISK payout? That seems to be what you're suggesting. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 487	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. I'm not sure that gives those who have played a support role (often at a greater cost, ISK-wise) a fair shake. Remember, you often killed that many close because of what the support logi or scanning scout helped you do and they shouldn't be penalized for not terminating as many clones as you have. Perhaps it could be bent more towards what you suggest, but not entirely based on terminated clones.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 221	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:27:00 - [4] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. What if you were able to terminate 20 of those 50 clones because a logi was following you around with a rep tool and throwing down hives when you were low on ammo? What if that same logi was reviving squadmates that fell alongside you, and securing your position with links? What if they got no kills while doing so? Do they deserve 0% of the teams' ISK payout? That seems to be what you're suggesting. Its a stupid thread bro.Plain and simple.Hed have ran out of ammo, not been able to respawn somewhere ,wouldn't have gotten his suit rezzed so he doesnt loose money on his fit..... dumb EDIT:and your suit cost more than his cause your carrying all that equipment. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Thrydwulf Khodan DUST University 54	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:31:00 - [5] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. You seem to have forgotten the "Golden Rule" of Dust 514. Let me help you out: "Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at."
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1169	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:39:00 - [6] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. What if you were able to terminate 20 of those 50 clones because a logi was following you around with a rep tool and throwing down hives when you were low on ammo? What if that same logi was reviving squadmates that fell alongside you, and securing your position with links? What if they got no kills while doing so? Do they deserve 0% of the teams' ISK payout? That seems to be what you're suggesting. I should have stated it better, I want to change what we have now. Everyone gets a flat ISK payout but then they get ISK based on what the enemy uses and that is split up based on WP but for ambush it should be based on clone terminations. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3483	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:42:00 - [7] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. What if you were able to terminate 20 of those 50 clones because a logi was following you around with a rep tool and throwing down hives when you were low on ammo? What if that same logi was reviving squadmates that fell alongside you, and securing your position with links? What if they got no kills while doing so? Do they deserve 0% of the teams' ISK payout? That seems to be what you're suggesting. I should have stated it better, I want to change what we have now. everyone gets a falt ISK payout but then they get ISK based on what the enemy uses and that is split up based on WP but for ambush it should be based on clone terminations. Every mode is about "defeating" the enemy, if you want to be technical. If you have no ammunition, you can only melee them. If you're dead, you can't shoot them. If there are no uplinks, your spawn could be in the middle of the other team. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1738	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:42:00 - [8] - Quote Farming PC isn't making enough Isk for you? Now you want to get the lions share of Ambush payouts too? ******* tool. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:44:00 - [9] - Quote So basically you want the Heavy/Assault's reason for survival to get a big paycut. No. You must not logi with good equipment because I'm pretty sure my proto costs a hefty sum more than your Proto assault suit. Edit: I am a Logi. Do not complain if you have never done anything about it. Chromosome Veteran *Subsonic.*
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1169	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:50:00 - [10] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: So basically you want the Heavy/Assault's reason for survival to get a big paycut. No. You must not logi with good equipment because I'm pretty sure my proto costs a hefty sum more than your Proto assault suit. Edit: I am a Logi. I use Proto Cal Logi with Proto needle, proto Allotek Nanohive (R) , Proto scanner my suit costs me 194K. My point is that in ambush the terminating the enemy's clones is the most important task, which could mean seeing an enemy on the ground and finishing their clone even if you didn't get the kill. Spamming uplinks and nanohives in ambush is usually pointless and is just a way to farm WP, the players who actually eliminate the enemies clones deserve the credit for the win in Ambush. The only time you need uplinks in ambush is to get out of an area because the enemy has you pinned which is usually because A) you had uplinks placed in a bad area that gets you trapped B) you had to many supports bleeding clones and not enough killers so the enemy surrounds you. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur

Rusty Shallows 1005	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:52:00 - [11] - Quote War-points is a deeply flawed combat metric used to divvy up a bafflingly bizarre contract payout. All systems normal in CCP-Land. Can't "game tweeki" your way out of this mess. The only cure is fire and lots of it. Then sow a new crop. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 687	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:53:00 - [12] - Quote our reward is based on just about everything. how u did what u did how well u did it. how much expensive gear was lost by both teams in general. i run my mlt stuff. i do good in my mlt suits.. normally place on top of leader boards unless its a one sided match. average a pretty decent pay out as well.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2224	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote The OP does have a poiints.... Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 79	Posted - 2014.02.25 02:57:00 - [14] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Soldier Sorajord wrote: So basically you want the Heavy/Assault's reason for survival to get a big paycut. No. You must not logi with good equipment because I'm pretty sure my proto costs a hefty sum more than your Proto assault suit. Edit: I am a Logi. I use Proto Cal Logi with Proto needle, proto Allotek Nanohive (R) , Proto scanner my suit costs me 194K. My point is that in ambush the terminating the enemy's clones is the most important task, which could mean seeing an enemy on the ground and finishing their clone even if you didn't get the kill. Spamming uplinks and nanohives in ambush is usually pointless and is just a way to farm WP, the players who actually eliminate the enemies clones deserve the credit for the win in Ambush. The only time you need uplinks in ambush is to get out of an area because the enemy has you pinned which is usually because A) you had uplinks placed in a bad area that gets you trapped B) you had to many supports bleeding clones and not enough killers so the enemy surrounds you. You don't run a Repair Tool? Ha! You'll never understand then. :/ Silly "Logi"s without repair tools... Do not complain if you have never done anything about it. Chromosome Veteran *Subsonic.*
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 857	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:23:00 - [15] - Quote I should run Logi. But no, this is unfair. Psycho Scout Cool McCoolNess- Incubus Speedy McFaster- ?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2085	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:28:00 - [16] - Quote Isk distribution is based on wp. Total payout is based on time spent in game and what is destroyed. There is nothing like 1wp= 5 isk.
Toby Flenderson research lab 289	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:12:00 - [17] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Soldier Sorajord wrote: So basically you want the Heavy/Assault's reason for survival to get a big paycut. No. You must not logi with good equipment because I'm pretty sure my proto costs a hefty sum more than your Proto assault suit. Edit: I am a Logi. I use Proto Cal Logi with Proto needle, proto Allotek Nanohive (R) , Proto scanner my suit costs me 194K. My point is that in ambush the terminating the enemy's clones is the most important task, which could mean seeing an enemy on the ground and finishing their clone even if you didn't get the kill. Spamming uplinks and nanohives in ambush is usually pointless and is just a way to farm WP, the players who actually eliminate the enemies clones deserve the credit for the win in Ambush. The only time you need uplinks in ambush is to get out of an area because the enemy has you pinned which is usually because A) you had uplinks placed in a bad area that gets you trapped B) you had to many supports bleeding clones and not enough killers so the enemy surrounds you. I would agree that in ambush the objective is eliminating the enemy player and no one can deny the fact that the slayers play a major roll in a victory/loss. I like the idea the OP is proposing but I see why the logis are sore about it: "We helped, it's not our job to kill, we should get paid too!" etc... How about this... Increase the proportion of ISK awarded to slayers who killed more enemies while increasing the proportion of ISK awarded to the logis who directly helped these slayers. What I mean is if someone lays down 10 uplinks in the mountains for random snipers and the snipers using the uplinks kill less players than the frontline assaults being repped by logis, award the uplink users/snipers less ISK than is currently awarded bases on their contribution/wp/whatever and give more to the frontline team/logis. I agree that support roles are important but only if they're supporting people those who are turning the tides of the battle. TL;DR: Polarize the ISK rewards based on direct contribution to success rather than WP. In ambush, for instance, those who kill/provide for the killers get much more than currently awarded and those who farm WP with equipment not being used by a slayer receive very little payouts.
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 166	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:14:00 - [18] - Quote i see what you are going for OP but the idea needs some tweeking (put down the meth!!! wrong tweek!) i already think the payout is too small anyways and i regularly get 20+ kills in amb but nothing but ****** 200K(approx) Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 182	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:10:00 - [19] - Quote Do this and the few that still play for the team would start playing for themselves. Ambush is really boring and lacks teamwork as is. Ask yourself, why would logis play ambush if you do this? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2899	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:16:00 - [20] - Quote WPs are awarded for actions contributing to the win. Killing is half of it, but keeping your side alive and functioning is the other. The myopia of the slayer class never ceases to amaze me.

The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:02:00 - [21] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts (The portion thats based on what the enemy's gear costed). I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. Dust has NEVER had payouts based on suits killed. There is a million dollar pot and that's it. I have killed 50 and only gotten 300k. Got first with 4700wp and got 500k. I have gotten 900,000 isk when the rest of the team bailed.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1766	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:04:00 - [22] - Quote because logic is stupid. Patrick57 Carries us all Tanker Prof. V scrub Q_Q moar
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2855	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:13:00 - [23] - Quote If it goes by equipment lost, those MCCs must be cheap as ****. I GÖú Kittens.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3270	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:11:00 - [24] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If I terminate 20 of the enemies 50 clones then I deserve 40% of my teams ISK payouts. I'm not talking about kills but clone terminations, the same should apply in skirmish or domination if the win is by means of cloning the enemy team. What if you were able to terminate 20 of those 50 clones because a logi was following you around with a rep tool and throwing down hives when you were low on ammo? What if that same logi was reviving squadmates that fell alongside you, and securing your position with links? What if they got no kills while doing so? Do they deserve 0% of the teams' ISK payout? That seems to be what you're suggesting. I don't think self absorbed people are capable of comprehending those arguments. Also: you are a candidate for best 1st reply ever. No.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 709	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:12:00 - [25] - Quote There should be any payout in Ambush at all Nemo me impune lacessit
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3270	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:15:00 - [26] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Soldier Sorajord wrote: So basically you want the Heavy/Assault's reason for survival to get a big paycut. No. You must not logi with good equipment because I'm pretty sure my proto costs a hefty sum more than your Proto assault suit. Edit: I am a Logi. I use Proto Cal Logi with Proto needle, proto Allotek Nanohive (R) , Proto scanner my suit costs me 194K. My point is that in ambush the terminating the enemy's clones is the most important task, which could mean seeing an enemy on the ground and finishing their clone even if you didn't get the kill. Spamming uplinks and nanohives in ambush is usually pointless and is just a way to farm WP, the players who actually eliminate the enemies clones deserve the credit for the win in Ambush. The only time you need uplinks in ambush is to get out of an area because the enemy has you pinned which is usually because A) you had uplinks placed in a bad area that gets you trapped B) you had to many supports bleeding clones and not enough killers so the enemy surrounds you. Let me guess: you had that Cal logi since 1.0 amiright? No.
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 87	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:15:00 - [27] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Isk distribution is based on wp. Total payout is based on time spent in game and what is destroyed. There is nothing like 1wp= 5 isk. Yup. Short game = Less money. People with highest WP get largest distribution of points get most isk. Edit: People who really get the WP are the repair guys. They usually heal whoever needs the heals most. IE Heavies, assaults, other logi's, and Sometimes scouts (rarely Vehicles). 35 WP for guardians plus 25 for triage is where a logi makes most of his points. Uplinks give little WP since most people hit circle then triangle when they die in AMB. Do not complain if you have never done anything about it. Chromosome Veteran *Subsonic.*


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