DUST Search - Kills vs Clone Death (They should be the same)

Fox Gaden wrote:

I think a Kill should only count if the Clone is lost.

- If a Cone is revived, neither the clone nor the suit is lost. So why should it count as a kill?

- Getting picked up, killed, picked up, and killed again is only frustrating due to what it does to your KDR. It is not like you are losing more than a single clone and suit in the process.

- It would make logi with Nanite Injectors the God Send they are supposed to be, rather than the bain of a FPS heroGÇÖs existence.

- You can insure someone you drop does not get back up by shooting them again in the head.

- I think the person who drops the clone should get +25 for Clone Incapacitation, and another +25 for Clone Kill when the clone bleeds out. (Plus squad bonuses to both.) Assists should be for contributing to Clone Incapacitation, so if you drop a clone which is then revived your stats register an assist. Head shot bonus should be added to the Clone Incapacitation portion of the WP payout. (Actually, does a Head Shot make you unrevivable? If so then they could get the full +60 in one go.)

What do you guys think? Is there any problems with this system that I am missing?

Yes I know that some weapons make a clone unrevivable the first time and others donGÇÖt, but to that I say, if they donGÇÖt loose a clone you have not killed them.

Edit to address a good question:

Fox Gaden wrote:

Kain Spero wrote:

If you incapacitate a clone and then someone else downs the clone who gets the kill added to their stats?

The person who incapacitates the clone gets the kill. I see no challenge in shooting an unconscious body and see no point in rewarding such a small accomplishment. The reward should go to the person who dropped the clone when it was dancing around and shooting back.

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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2517	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote I think a Kill should only count if the Clone is lost. - If a Cone is revived, neither the clone nor the suit is lost. So why should it count as a kill? - Getting picked up, killed, picked up, and killed again is only frustrating due to what it does to your KDR. It is not like you are losing more than a single clone and suit in the process. - It would make logi with Nanite Injectors the God Send they are supposed to be, rather than the bain of a FPS heroGÇÖs existence. - You can insure someone you drop does not get back up by shooting them again in the head. - I think the person who drops the clone should get +25 for Clone Incapacitation, and another +25 for Clone Kill when the clone bleeds out. (Plus squad bonuses to both.) Assists should be for contributing to Clone Incapacitation, so if you drop a clone which is then revived your stats register an assist. Head shot bonus should be added to the Clone Incapacitation portion of the WP payout. (Actually, does a Head Shot make you unrevivable? If so then they could get the full +60 in one go.) What do you guys think? Is there any problems with this system that I am missing? Yes I know that some weapons make a clone unrevivable the first time and others donGÇÖt, but to that I say, if they donGÇÖt loose a clone you have not killed them. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1525	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:48:00 - [2] - Quote That would make more sense, from a gameplay standpoint. More importantly, it would encourage even those just obsessed with KDR to work with logistics. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1007	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:04:00 - [3] - Quote Sounds good to me Fox. Couldn't see any pronpblems with from a gameplay stance. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University CPM1 candidate
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:20:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds legit. The WP reward from revival should be adjusted from 60 to 10 as a result though(OldRevive 60 - OldKill 50 = NewRevive). Or if as you suggest, the kill was split 50:50, it should be 30 points for a revive.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 558	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:44:00 - [5] - Quote Changes of this nature are in line with the overall game that I think Dust would like to become. I don't know the difficulty of such a change, but as other threads have pointed out it supports teamwork and outlines the benefits of waiting to get picked up - changing the efforts of a logi that fails in a rezz from one of hate to one of appreciation for the effort as it saves both the players KDR and ISK. While I may not agree with exactly how the change should be rolled out, I fully support a change in the KDR mechanics of this nature. The Logi Code. The Way of the Logibro
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2535	Posted - 2014.02.20 11:22:00 - [6] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Sounds legit. The WP reward from revival should be adjusted from 60 to 10 as a result though(OldRevive 60 - OldKill 50 = NewRevive). Or if as you suggest, the kill was split 50:50, it should be 30 points for a revive. I am not changing the amount of points someone gets for a kill. I am just splitting it into +25 for incapacitation, and another +25 when the clone bleeds out. Plus squad and head shot bonuses of course. I am not suggesting anyone get points for finishing an incapacitated clone. If someone else finishes an incapacitated clone the kill points should go to the person who dropped it. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2861	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:59:00 - [7] - Quote If you incapacitate a clone and then someone else downs the clone who gets the kill added to their stats? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2552	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: If you incapacitate a clone and then someone else downs the clone who gets the kill added to their stats? The person who incapacities the clone. I see no challenge in shooting an unconscious body and see no point in rewarding such a small accomplishment. The reward should go to the person who dropped the clone when it was dancing around and shooting back. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2866	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:09:00 - [9] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Kain Spero wrote: If you incapacitate a clone and then someone else downs the clone who gets the kill added to their stats? The person who incapacitates the clone would get the kill. I see no challenge in shooting an unconscious body and see no point in rewarding such a small accomplishment. The reward should go to the person who dropped the clone when it was dancing around and shooting back. In that case I give this whole idea a +1. I still think we need an accept revive feature though in addition to something like this. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1540	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:11:00 - [10] - Quote I've seen games where finishing off the incapacitated dude gives an assist. Since the kill credit goes to the guy who incapacitated him. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:20:00 - [11] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I think a Kill should only count if the Clone is lost. - If a Cone is revived, neither the clone nor the suit is lost. So why should it count as a kill? - Getting picked up, killed, picked up, and killed again is only frustrating due to what it does to your KDR. It is not like you are losing more than a single clone and suit in the process. - It would make logi with Nanite Injectors the God Send they are supposed to be, rather than the bain of a FPS heroGÇÖs existence. - You can insure someone you drop does not get back up by shooting them again in the head. - I think the person who drops the clone should get +25 for Clone Incapacitation, and another +25 for Clone Kill when the clone bleeds out. (Plus squad bonuses to both.) Assists should be for contributing to Clone Incapacitation, so if you drop a clone which is then revived your stats register an assist. Head shot bonus should be added to the Clone Incapacitation portion of the WP payout. (Actually, does a Head Shot make you unrevivable? If so then they could get the full +60 in one go.) What do you guys think? Is there any problems with this system that I am missing? Yes I know that some weapons make a clone unrevivable the first time and others donGÇÖt, but to that I say, if they donGÇÖt loose a clone you have not killed them. Edit to address a good question: Fox Gaden wrote: Kain Spero wrote: If you incapacitate a clone and then someone else downs the clone who gets the kill added to their stats? The person who incapacitates the clone gets the kill. I see no challenge in shooting an unconscious body and see no point in rewarding such a small accomplishment. The reward should go to the person who dropped the clone when it was dancing around and shooting back. Love this idea.
Wolfica Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 472	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:02:00 - [12] - Quote plus 1. -person that downs clone-25pts -once clone bleeds out- 25pts to player listed above -death does not count until clone is lost -accept revive function -added point, allow kill assists to count as kill based off of damage dealt, such as BF4's kill assist counts as kill i mean helI i killed a gunnlogi the other day with 1 charge up from my SCR after a corp mate hit it with a volley of missiles from his tank. I reject you reality and substitute my own.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2593	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:45:00 - [13] - Quote Wolfica wrote: -added point, allow kill assists to count as kill based off of damage dealt, such as BF4's kill assist counts as kill i mean helI i killed a gunnlogi the other day with 1 charge up from my SCR after a corp mate hit it with a volley of missiles from his tank. I have never played another FPS. Can you go into more detail on how it is done in BF4? In EVE all contributors get a kill when a ship is destroyed, but destroying a ship in EVE is usually a team effort. Killing an individual clone in DUST feels different to me. However, in the Kill mails that EVE pilots get for a kill, while all contributors are listed, both the highest damage and killing blow are listed as separate achievements. Would you be suggesting that both the person who got the killing blow, and the person who did the most damage, should be given credit for the kill? Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Wolfica Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 476	Posted - 2014.02.22 18:23:00 - [14] - Quote In bf4 the points are different each kill is based off 100pts if a person does 90somthing % of the damage they are given the kill. The person that lands only the final blow from there 1 shot is given the kill. It would be like giving the eve pilot that dealt the most damage the kill mail. I reject you reality and substitute my own.


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