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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:27:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The amount of ISK saved by BPO's is more than what is generated by Planetary Conquest.  Edit: The data comes from CCP, through CPM. Edit 2: It makes sense people. PC affects a small portion of the players, while BPO's are very very widely used.
From my perspective, it's the price CCP has to pay for tank spam & RR heavies.
I'm now running SVER logi and Exile AR almost exclusively in all matches. Previously i was running all-ISK minny ADV assault with mostly proto mods.
I'll bet i'm not alone.
I support SP rollover.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:35:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:TheD1CK wrote:So BPO users made more ISK than PC abusers....
Yeah, this needs proof before i'll believe that
It makes sense when you think of how big the player pool is in PC... its tiny... I've been fighting with or against the same names for nearly a year... Nearly anyone that has played this game for a couple month period and had the option to buy a blueprint that fits their gameplay... Bought one and usually uses it in Pubs' to grind ISK. And this player pool is a majority of DUST. If you merely look at the max potential of ISK generated per day in PC.... And then think about the potential ISK income from Pub payouts running all day with 100% profit from BPO use. The amount of ISK generated from those BPO with absolutely no loss or cost.. is economy breaking.
^ This. When we look at the ~2500 to 4500 logged in users, most running pubs, how many are using one or two BPOs in their loadouts? ISK saved would add up fast.
I support SP rollover.
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Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:00:00 -
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RailTank QQ wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Still no source
Its BS It's a skype conversation. It has me, Arkena Wyrnspire, Mobius Wyvern, Aisha Ctarl, Hans Jagerblitzen, jenza aranda, KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf etc'. Big whoop no source Anyways BPO dont ruin any economy since we dont have one and all BPOs are basic anyways Exactly! The people who believe that DUST doesn't have a tangible economy must also believe that sub-prime lending doesn't lead to world-wide economic recessions/depressions. If anyone has been paying attention to what has been said in this thread, not only is Catmerc most likely speaking the truth, but we could be in more trouble than we thought because of the magical BPO problem. There's not really a quick and easy solution...well, there is but there would be a riot and many persons would actually leave the game.
It's not that much of a problem. John Demonsbane proposed the most likely solution above: BPO manufacturing will still have a mineral input cost.
Imo the PC income is pretty obviously the biggest driver of ISK inflation in DUST.
Wrt the size of the DUST EVE economies, it's already been shown that DUST's economy is already giving EVE a run for it's money, and that's with our pathetically low player numbers.
Wrt to balancing the economies it will be possible. Prolly the most stable solution would be to balance around extraction of strategic resources common to both economies. There could still be clones, but clone manufacture would go from being magic to being a manufacturuing process that had material inputs. For this we want clones to become a commodity in EVE first, and in DUST as well - right now we're not paying for our clones in DUST pubs or FW - we prolly should be.
We'll have an integrated economy, and for my money before this time next year. But it'll be kind of crippled in terms of gameplay-generation for us in DUST if we don't have a robust contract system.
I support SP rollover.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:37:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:
It's not that much of a problem. John Demonsbane proposed the most likely solution above: BPO manufacturing will still have a mineral input cost.
Imo the PC income is pretty obviously the biggest driver of ISK inflation in DUST.
Wrt the size of the DUST EVE economies, it's already been shown that DUST's economy is already giving EVE a run for it's money, and that's with our pathetically low player numbers.
Wrt to balancing the economies it will be possible. Prolly the most stable solution would be to balance around extraction of strategic resources common to both economies. There could still be clones, but clone manufacture would go from being magic to being a manufacturuing process that had material inputs. For this we want clones to become a commodity in EVE first, and in DUST as well - right now we're not paying for our clones in DUST pubs or FW - we prolly should be.
We'll have an integrated economy, and for my money before this time next year. But it'll be kind of crippled in terms of gameplay-generation for us in DUST if we don't have a robust contract system.
What do you mine in high sec in EVE? because the ISk generation in incursions in high security space alone dwarfs DUST by ridiculous amounts... We aren't even getting into WH's, DED's, 0.0 as a whole... Even high security missions.. Then we can get to the whole economy being a decade old... DUST gives EVE a run for their money? 
Well, it's early days yet but there's this from last year's fanfest:
"One final little tidbit to close with. CCP revealed that DUST players have spent an impressive 600 trillion ISK in the past year. By comparison, there's about 650 trillion ISK in player hands in EVE. If old tweets are any indication, EVE players trade somewhere between 500-700 trillion a year. By that metric, I'd say DUST is doing quite well!" source
It looks like ISK destroyed in DUST is of the same order of magnitude as ISK traded in EVE.
I support SP rollover.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:03:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Skihids wrote:The world of difference is that BPOs don't generate passive ISK as PC farming does.
A player has to get in match and play to earn the match reward. He is investing his time and is providing CCP with targets for their paying customers to shoot at. The low level of the gear means new players have a good chance of getting a fair fight.
PC farming is a passive ISK fountain that directly funds proto stomping gear that is more likely to drive off new players.
I'll take CCP's BPO concern seriously once they deal with the easy problem that is actually having a damaging effect on the game as it stands. I'm with you on that. What really gets me with PC locking is that CCP knew this was a potential exploit from the beginning when FoxFour stated that they knew about it but were just going to wait and see, yet they didn't have a fix ready to go in case it went wrong, as it did, and after all this time still haven't put together a fix. As you said, fix PC and then have a look at BPOs.
+1 and +1. Great analysis, gents.
I support SP rollover.
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