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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:47:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Is that due to BPO use during PC battles - that never happen?
I would assume that most PC players have BPOs. If they use those BPOs in a few self-attack situations, how greatly does that skew the data?
For what ISK is generated in PC there is a significant amount lossed defending or attacking districts.. No one runs joke fits unless your Kalante in a 6us/vs/14them and still gets 25 kills in a militia suit...
I Personally own almost all the BPO's that have been offered for sale... probably 4-5 dragonfly's? But I never use BPO's... Seems to be the case for most of the competitive corporations and BPO use, with a few exceptions...
Blueprints in EVE are merely that... A set of Instructions for crafting the said item.
I Would LOVE to see a crafting system in EVE similar involving the BPO's and salvage system. So Say i kill a Guy with an assault rifle and a Minmatar Suit, I get a piece of the Assault Rifle and Minmatar suit to then combine with other salvage to Craft an Assault Rifle at 0 cost.
Blueprints even in lore where it just spawns another suit with no materials or ISK cost will never make sense no matter how convenient the operation is to my personal ISK making aspirations. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:59:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:So BPO users made more ISK than PC abusers....
Yeah, this needs proof before i'll believe that
It makes sense when you think of how big the player pool is in PC... its tiny... I've been fighting with or against the same names for nearly a year...
Nearly anyone that has played this game for a couple month period and had the option to buy a blueprint that fits their gameplay... Bought one and usually uses it in Pubs' to grind ISK. And this player pool is a majority of DUST.
If you merely look at the max potential of ISK generated per day in PC.... And then think about the potential ISK income from Pub payouts running all day with 100% profit from BPO use. The amount of ISK generated from those BPO with absolutely no loss or cost.. is economy breaking. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.19 15:10:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:
With no material supply needed to build the item it is just magically produced and is totally free. That is the problem, it is just wished into reality.
Bethhy wrote:
Blueprints in EVE are merely that... A set of Instructions for crafting the said item.
I Would LOVE to see a crafting system in DUST that is similar, involving the BPO's and salvage system. So Say I kill a Guy with an Assault Rifle and a Minmatar Suit, I get a piece of the Assault Rifle and Minmatar suit to then combine with other salvage to Craft an Assault Rifle at 0 cost.
Blueprints even in lore where it just spawns another suit with no materials or ISK cost will never make sense no matter how convenient the operation is to my personal ISK making aspirations.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:02:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Kristoff Atruin wrote:Everyone saying "there is no economy" is missing the point. The economy is there, we just can't influence it yet. When the influx of isk is completely out of whack with the outflows then that creates a big problem when trying to put the economy in our hands. It makes it like your average theme park mmo where there's massive inflation. Explain this a bit more. The economy is the creation and destruction of isk. Isk is clearly being created and destroyed, and CCP studies this stuff. Their economist had a presentation at last year's fanfest about the Dust economy. Getting the creation and destruction of isk into balance is the biggest stumbling block to get over before the Dust economy can begin to merge with Eve. If the economy is creating far more isk than it is destroying and players get to start deciding the price of things, prices will skyrocket like we're in Weimar Germany.
They will never merge the two economies... The raw amounts of ISK floating around EVE and generated at such high quantities would offset so much point in DUST it would ruin the game for some.
The best they EVER talked about with EVE and DUST economies is the EVE side being able to build Warbarges and buy tanks and LAV's to drop in for DUST Mercenaries on campaigns....
And for DUST the best they ever talked about was the players controlling the planetary resources and selling it to the EVE player base... and I believe this was more players talking and Dev's musing it. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:13:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:
It's not that much of a problem. John Demonsbane proposed the most likely solution above: BPO manufacturing will still have a mineral input cost.
Imo the PC income is pretty obviously the biggest driver of ISK inflation in DUST.
Wrt the size of the DUST EVE economies, it's already been shown that DUST's economy is already giving EVE a run for it's money, and that's with our pathetically low player numbers.
Wrt to balancing the economies it will be possible. Prolly the most stable solution would be to balance around extraction of strategic resources common to both economies. There could still be clones, but clone manufacture would go from being magic to being a manufacturuing process that had material inputs. For this we want clones to become a commodity in EVE first, and in DUST as well - right now we're not paying for our clones in DUST pubs or FW - we prolly should be.
We'll have an integrated economy, and for my money before this time next year. But it'll be kind of crippled in terms of gameplay-generation for us in DUST if we don't have a robust contract system.
What do you mine in high sec in EVE? because the ISk generation in incursions in high security space alone dwarfs DUST by ridiculous amounts... We aren't even getting into WH's, DED's, 0.0 as a whole... Even high security missions..
Then we can get to the whole economy being a decade old... DUST gives EVE a run for their money?  
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