DUST Search - Sticky:The Respec Discussion Thread

DUST Fiend wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have to stand against that every time it comes up.

Fair enough. My build is personally being buffed, quite a bit in 1.8 (Hmg / Forge Sentinel) and since not refunding dropsuit SP is insane (because scouts and heavies should have the chance to play their races suit without sticking to the ones they didn't want) I will at least have a perfectly viable fit with very little wasted SP, right from the get go.

That doesn't change that I still will basically never ever spawn in it, but while I do feel that's a legitimate concern in an FPS environment, I have not and will not ever argue that that's a legit call for a respec. My personal desires for a respec are selfish in that I just want to have fun doing the only thing that's fun to me (on the ground) in DUST: Scout. I have barely touched my heavy in many many months now, I only fly or run my scout that has no relevant skills other than basic core skills.

For me, NPE is an entirely different topic (a vital topic, but a different topic). Respecs obviously don't take that much away from dev time, it's not like we're detracting from the games development by adding these in as a cushion to change.

I want to see legit respec threads die. I want to laugh at QQ respec threads when someones FoTM gets nerf hammered for a bit. It's one thing for balance passes to come through and shake things up a little, but it's another thing entirely to release long awaited core material, and just tell people to deal with it; sit on the stuff we forced you to use, buy these nice omega boosters, and grind your happy ass into what you would have played from the start had we not ****** up and failed to release it on time. It's a slippery slope that CCP brought onto themselves, because even just refunding Dropsuit Command isn't enough when you consider each race prefers a different style of tanking.

There are just too many arguments as to why these refunds are good at this exact moment. One way or the other, we'll know soon enough, and will see plenty of QQ threads on the forums regardless of which way the cookie crumbles.


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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1961	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:53:00 - [1] - Quote Refund every skill except corp and vehicle/turret skills because changes to drop suit role bonuses affects every module, equipment, and weapon. I specced armor and shield regs BC I had a Caldari logi. Now I don't have a passive rep or reg bonus. I should've used it on something else that the callogi will increase the efficacy of. I bought a Ferrari and it is now a Ranger. I did not buy a Ferrari and break the transmission. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1965	Posted - 2014.02.18 22:48:00 - [2] - Quote Hi, I'm a vet. I have 28 mil SP. I have proto CALLOGI/ASSAULT, tanks shields/rails, equipment, MD, CR, and RR. I can save SP for months and not be affected. I newb saving is losing a lot more than I do BC I already have more gear than I use in a day. No respec hurts the new players, not vets, and respects always bring back old players. There is no way, from a business standpoint, that respects can be a bad thing. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2019	Posted - 2014.03.06 16:46:00 - [3] - Quote So many good players leaving BC the grind is boring. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2020	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:35:00 - [4] - Quote ERYN Warchild wrote: Oh I hope they say no just to spite everyone. You made your SP choices to have the best weapons and broken fits. Now when it changes you whine and moan that you can't have the best fit any more? You know what? Suck it up and deal with it. Maybe next time you won't try for FotM but instead diversify. Say no CCP! Say no! Those of us who don't cater to FotM will be pleased with your commitment to changing the game for the better! Lol. You really think no respec will stop FOTM? I have 2 proto suits, maxed rails and shield tanks, 4 proto weapons, and all cores lvl 5. My alt has 1 proto suit, maxed cores, and 5 adv weapons and 1 proto weapon. Point is that most people who you call FOTMers have enough so across multiple areas to be "FOTM" no matter what. A respec doesn't hurt vets, just newer guys with only 2 things proto and MAYBE core skills maxed. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2025	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:24:00 - [5] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: What part of I don't have the SP to save are some people not getting? I do not have cores maxed. I do not have tanks maxed. I am saving up for those. I do NOT participate in fit of the month because I am saving for other stuff. I do not have SP to sit back and save for these new suits as I am trying to be competitive with people like Charolette who have double my SP. A respec will at least allow me to try the new suits without having to hear all the "Rave" reviews. Come on community, 50 pages! scary thing is there are people with 1.5x what i have O.o Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2058	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:34:00 - [6] - Quote face it: there are hundreds of players who would come back with a respec, and with a playbase of 2k-4k online at any time, it can use every player it can get. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2105	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:55:00 - [7] - Quote Dear Devs: I would like to thank you for putting us, once more, at such a huge advantage over the lowly noobs and their 1-2 proto weapons and 1 suit. We vets have at least 2 proto suits, maxed cores, likely 3-4 proto weapons, AND tanks or dropships at our disposal. We are un-nerfable and we realize that you realize this. We appreciate you keeping the noobs down by forcing them to stay in their same under-powered fittings. To all the noobs: It sucks to be you. When My RR and CR are nerfed, and my Cal assault and logi suits roles are switched, I'll still be just as pubstompy as ever thanks to 2 suits that are prototype, my 300 mil ISK (on a bad day), and my proto SMG and Mass Driver...not to mention ridiculously overpowered tanks that are nigh unkillable by anyone who hasn't been tanking for the last year, straight. Remember there is nothing you can do. There is no respec; there is no hope. Just sit back and watch the vets stomp all over you with our unn-nerfable powers. Why bother worrying about being FOTM when I already have it no matter what changes come? :P I am OP because I've been here. This is my joy; seeing you suffer. Try and counter my; I dare you...with your 1 decent fitting....hahaha! I have more than I could possibly need! I also heard I'm getting a free 1,000,000 SP for doing basically nothing; I think I'll spend it on the magsec...just for lolz because, you know, I already have everything I could ever want Twisted One more thought: nerf shields? I have maxed armor, too. Nerf damage mods? I already maxed shields. Nerf tank modules in general? Biotics 5. Nerf assaults, heavies, and logis? My alt has a proto scout, shotgun, and knives...+Duvolle. Nerf infantry all over? Tanks, babe. Nerf tanks? I have 2 proto suits and 4 proto weapons. Nerf snipers? Don't care, I have rails. Nerf rails? Got blasters. I am god mode. This system you set up is perfect. All I had to do is wait a year and I have become God Mode vs these weak noobs. Isk is not even a factor, anymore [<3 PC farmville mechanic]. I beat your game, New Eden. What else can you possibly do to me?....Forum ban, again? 6 alts on standby :P <3 -Trolly Vet Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2107	Posted - 2014.03.12 01:00:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Dust Fiend you make the best argument for your side, and I truly believe you when you say you just want to put player happiness first. I'm just looking past 1.8 and the handful of players we have now. I wouldn't care about respecs one way or the other but too many people are under the impression this is or should be a regular thing, and I have to stand against that every time it comes up. Fair enough. My build is personally being buffed, quite a bit in 1.8 (Hmg / Forge Sentinel) and since not refunding dropsuit SP is insane (because scouts and heavies should have the chance to play their races suit without sticking to the ones they didn't want) I will at least have a perfectly viable fit with very little wasted SP, right from the get go. That doesn't change that I still will basically never ever spawn in it, but while I do feel that's a legitimate concern in an FPS environment, I have not and will not ever argue that that's a legit call for a respec. My personal desires for a respec are selfish in that I just want to have fun doing the only thing that's fun to me (on the ground) in DUST: Scout. I have barely touched my heavy in many many months now, I only fly or run my scout that has no relevant skills other than basic core skills. For me, NPE is an entirely different topic (a vital topic, but a different topic). Respecs obviously don't take that much away from dev time, it's not like we're detracting from the games development by adding these in as a cushion to change. I want to see legit respec threads die. I want to laugh at QQ respec threads when someones FoTM gets nerf hammered for a bit. It's one thing for balance passes to come through and shake things up a little, but it's another thing entirely to release long awaited core material, and just tell people to deal with it; sit on the stuff we forced you to use, buy these nice omega boosters, and grind your happy ass into what you would have played from the start had we not ****** up and failed to release it on time. It's a slippery slope that CCP brought onto themselves, because even just refunding Dropsuit Command isn't enough when you consider each race prefers a different style of tanking. There are just too many arguments as to why these refunds are good at this exact moment. One way or the other, we'll know soon enough, and will see plenty of QQ threads on the forums regardless of which way the cookie crumbles. FOTM is a 10-15 mil SP player thing. Vets with 30-40mil SP have multiple fits and at least half of them are good at any time. Respecs don't help brand new players who would waste it all, anyway. They refresh New Eden for bored vets who wouldn't come back otherwise or at least would play a little more often. they help the Average Post-1.0 Joe who has between 10 and 20 mil SP. Maybe 1 good fit; 2 if he branched out. Those are the new blood of the game. The vets fade away. The noobs rage quit. It's the 10-15mSP guys who should be rewarded and who benefit this game the most. I've sunk hundreds of dollars and hours into this game but I'm just bored with it now. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!