DUST Search - On Swarms. Damage is close to fine.

ratamaq doc wrote:

I don't think your math is accounting for all the factors. Not many tanks worth worrying about would be running without reps for armor, so though you said no mods, you should at least account for the 100hp per second the lowest mod gets you. If you want to talk about mod less tanks, then keep the swarm numbers to militia.

So with that in mind, two questions.

Question 1. How much shield and armor can recharge/regen between volleys? Then Reloads?

Question 2. How much distance can be put between a tank and a merc firing swarms accounting for your proposed speed reduction

Question 3. How many volleys do you think a merc with a swarm launcher can realistically get off before that tank can escape his firing range?

Fact is it takes multiple proto swarm volleys to take out a militia LAV at the moment, do you think there is a problem with that?

I'd love to see a test of how many volleys it takes for a proto swarm to kill and unfitted Sica (just sitting stationary) and a Soma fitted with 1 Rep. I bet it's more than the math you have up says.

1 mil ISK to the person who puts this video up first, showing both militia and proto swarms.


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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 258	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:53:00 - [1] - Quote Maths good, your logic based on a lack of experience though is profound. Without all the maths, heres how you know its weaksauce, 10 tanks on the field and none get killed by swarms. Simple maths. Now all your clip size and prof is im sure correct, but the swarmer will very often not have time to get all of these away much less reload due to the fact that he has to be within 100 meters, infantry that immediately kill you, the tank will target you and wisely so, and if all else fails they will out run your swarms, math doesnt account for practicality.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 260	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:41:00 - [2] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: I don't think your math is accounting for all the factors. Not many tanks worth worrying about would be running without reps for armor, so though you said no mods, you should at least account for the 100hp per second the lowest mod gets you. If you want to talk about mod less tanks, then keep the swarm numbers to militia. So with that in mind, two questions. Question 1. How much shield and armor can recharge/regen between volleys? Then Reloads? Question 2. How much distance can be put between a tank and a merc firing swarms accounting for your proposed speed reduction Question 3. How many volleys do you think a merc with a swarm launcher can realistically get off before that tank can escape his firing range? Fact is it takes multiple proto swarm volleys to take out a militia LAV at the moment, do you think there is a problem with that? I'd love to see a test of how many volleys it takes for a proto swarm to kill and unfitted Sica (just sitting stationary) and a Soma fitted with 1 Rep. I bet it's more than the math you have up says. 1 mil ISK to the person who puts this video up first, showing both militia and proto swarms. Now if I could shoot my swarms from the back of a moving LAV John Connor style that wouod be awesome.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 262	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:45:00 - [3] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Maths good, your logic based on a lack of experience though is profound. Without all the maths, heres how you know its weaksauce, 10 tanks on the field and none get killed by swarms. Simple maths. Now all your clip size and prof is im sure correct, but the swarmer will very often not have time to get all of these away much less reload due to the fact that he has to be within 100 meters, infantry that immediately kill you, the tank will target you and wisely so, and if all else fails they will out run your swarms, math doesnt account for practicality. That's what my point is. Tanks can too easily avoid swarms. The problem is swarms cannot apply their dps to a tank. Ok ok I see where you said that now, duh, ok good post, my sentiment exactly.