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I-Shayz-I I-----I 2337	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:01:00 - [1] - Quote I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen. CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this. In other words, a RESPEC means a complete reallocation of a player's skill points...and CCP has tried to explain this to you guys so many times it's ridiculous. Instead, they want you to refer to these smaller reallocations as "sp REFUNDS", where they refund a certain area or skill or whatever due to a change in that skill's sp cost, or the complete redesign/removal of skills instead of your ENTIRE sp base. If anything, the only SP refund we should technically be getting would be for the dropsuit skills, specifically heavy/commando/scout. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 294	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote Then the reasons CCP has given are terrible. The management of this game has been so mediocre I don't even know why they're still involved in the project. As if 40m SP players don't already have a huge advantage, when players fresh out of the academy are forced to fight against their proto gear.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 406	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:04:00 - [3] - Quote its semantics at this point and CCP knows what all these threads are asking for. But thanks for this post!
Onesimus Tarsus 1215	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:04:00 - [4] - Quote Toe may toe toe mah toe I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 514	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:04:00 - [5] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen. CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this. In other words, a RESPEC means a complete reallocation of a player's skill points...and CCP has tried to explain this to you guys so many times it's ridiculous. Instead, they want you to refer to these smaller reallocations as "sp REFUNDS", where they refund a certain area or skill or whatever due to a change in that skill's sp cost, or the complete redesign/removal of skills instead of your ENTIRE sp base. If anything, the only SP refund we should technically be getting would be for the dropsuit skills, specifically heavy/commando/scout. This here is absolutely correct, though i admit to accidentally using the word "respec" from seeing the word used so many friggin times... The only "drastic" change to the skill tree will be in the Dropsuit Command skills. So It's more then likely going to be the only thing that gets a partial refund.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2267	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:05:00 - [6] - Quote I know. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 252	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:12:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen. CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this. In other words, a RESPEC means a complete reallocation of a player's skill points...and CCP has tried to explain this to you guys so many times it's ridiculous. Instead, they want you to refer to these smaller reallocations as "sp REFUNDS", where they refund a certain area or skill or whatever due to a change in that skill's sp cost, or the complete redesign/removal of skills instead of your ENTIRE sp base. If anything, the only SP refund we should technically be getting would be for the dropsuit skills, specifically heavy/commando/scout. Oh? CCP Praetorian referred to it as a respec. whn asked about racial parity but as someone else said, semantics. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 748	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:14:00 - [8] - Quote I want a respec Who wants some?
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3667	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:15:00 - [9] - Quote OP is correct. However this community wants a respec to go OP tanks If a Canadian spots a bruised apple in the market, he would go up to it and ask "who did this to you?" I'm funny =ƒÿå
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9670	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:15:00 - [10] - Quote Semantics. This 'definition' is irrelevant to the topic at large. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven

Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 365	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:17:00 - [11] - Quote 40mil sp players have an advantage anyway, a respec isn't going to change much in this regards CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 236	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:17:00 - [12] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: I want a respec I want a refund @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 290	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:19:00 - [13] - Quote Its actually a respend reskill RP SP recycled skillfund.
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 218	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:20:00 - [14] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: Then the reasons CCP has given are terrible. The management of this game has been so mediocre I don't even know why they're still involved in the project. As if 40m SP players don't already have a huge advantage, when players fresh out of the academy are forced to fight against their proto gear. Exactly. As if someone speccing out of the Gallente logi and into the Caldari sentinel is going to break the balance so much that the entire game will collapse.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9290	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:27:00 - [15] - Quote They mean the same thing: Partial respec = partial refund Full respec = full refund Respecs/refunds don't give you advantages, you still have the same amount of SP capable of doing the same exact things. Is players making informed intelligent decisions on how to spend SP that scary to you? Consider this. Scenario 1: specced into Caldari assault gradually until I got protyotype. I have 6 million SP total. Scenario 2: I suddenly specced into prototype Caldari assault after getting a respec/refund. I have 6 million SP total. Does it matter which scenario is true? 6 million SP is still 6 million SP, and a prototype Caldari assault is still a prototype Caldari assault. The only advantage to a respec for a player is that they probably figured out from experience what they want to do, and they're going to make a more informed decision; that is a GOOD THING. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2342	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:30:00 - [16] - Quote Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD Carry on. I could use more free likes. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9292	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:33:00 - [17] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD Carry on. I could use more free likes. I reread it again, and none of it seems like a joke. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2342	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:42:00 - [18] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD Carry on. I could use more free likes. I reread it again, and none of it seems like a joke. But that's the point :P Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 100	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:53:00 - [19] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen. CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this. This is precisely the opposite of the situation. It seems to me that it's mostly people with 30M+ SP who don't give a damn because they are already skilled in everything they'd ever want to use. So FoTM is okay for them, but not for you, you ****** 5M SP scrub. I hope you spent your skillpoints wisely (read: somehow looked into your crystal ball to see what you were really speccing into). At the end of the day, no respec has nothing to do with FoTM. that's a balancing issue, not a respec issue It wouldn't even be an issue if this game was more like eve and there was something to do that wasn't directly competitive. "Your suit got nerfed? go play PvE or mine or something while you find another play style." But in reality, it's, "Go get your ass kicked for 4 weeks while you wait. I hope you like rep tools because that's what you're using now." This community... ETA: The "respec" vs "refund" point is mostly semantic, but I don't really disagree as long as the right trees are being refunded.
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock Ultramarine Corp 39	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:56:00 - [20] - Quote VLIGHT5 wrote: Then the reasons CCP has given are terrible. The management of this game has been so mediocre I don't even know why they're still involved in the project. As if 40m SP players don't already have a huge advantage, when players fresh out of the academy are forced to fight against their proto gear. You gotta earn that SP. Just like we all did.

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1460	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:58:00 - [21] - Quote Whatever it's called....... no. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 138	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:59:00 - [22] - Quote I would argue that a respec/SP refund offers more advantage to a mid sp player (5mil-10mil or so) than to someone with 40 mil sp. A player with less SP is disproportionately affected by poor allocation of SP. A SP refund would allow them to more tightly focus on their core role and better compete with higher sp players (at least in one defined role). A player with 40m SP will be able to prune a few things they don't use, but they will still have max core skill. A refund will just allow a high SP player to reallocate SP spent testing weapons/suits in a more focused way, resulting in having a second or third fully fleshed out role. There are plenty of good arguments for and against a refund, but I don't think a refund favoring higher SP players is one of them. -Aramis
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 874	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:10:00 - [23] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD Carry on. I could use more free likes. I reread it again, and none of it seems like a joke. But that's the point :P There kinds of things are nearly organic in the way they evolve and mutate. Shhhhh, let us study the infant threadnaught in its natural habitat. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10963	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:22:00 - [24] - Quote ::sigh:: A 40 million SP character already has builds maxed out. The only damage is to peoples ego and imagination. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 301	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:26:00 - [25] - Quote Necro Respec!
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 366	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:31:00 - [26] - Quote So I get a respec? Just going to have me spend time getting back to where I want to be. Sure I may focus more on things I want like drop uplink instead of putting those spare million SP into vehicles which I don't like. Around 20+ million refunds only help really to eliminate any side things we tried and didn't like.
Onesimus Tarsus 1221	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:33:00 - [27] - Quote I'd like to return all the proceeds from my Merc Pack and AUR purchases for a cash refund, but I'd also like to have been the guy who invented the internet. Darn you, Al Gore! I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1170	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:36:00 - [28] - Quote Saw the word respec, so I'm here. What's up guys? lifts Racial Respec torch and pitchfork We doing this or what?
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 115	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:41:00 - [29] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: I'd like to return all the proceeds from my Merc Pack and AUR purchases for a cash refund, but I'd also like to have been the guy who invented the internet. Darn you, Al Gore! Internet and Global Warming - modern day Da Vinci that Gore No Wonder W had to steal the election "Shine bright like a diamond"


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