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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:01:00 -
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I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen.
CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this.
In other words, a RESPEC means a complete reallocation of a player's skill points...and CCP has tried to explain this to you guys so many times it's ridiculous. Instead, they want you to refer to these smaller reallocations as "sp REFUNDS", where they refund a certain area or skill or whatever due to a change in that skill's sp cost, or the complete redesign/removal of skills instead of your ENTIRE sp base.
If anything, the only SP refund we should technically be getting would be for the dropsuit skills, specifically heavy/commando/scout.
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VLIGHT5
The Judas Coalition
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:03:00 -
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Then the reasons CCP has given are terrible. The management of this game has been so mediocre I don't even know why they're still involved in the project. As if 40m SP players don't already have a huge advantage, when players fresh out of the academy are forced to fight against their proto gear. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:04:00 -
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its semantics at this point and CCP knows what all these threads are asking for. But thanks for this post! |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:04:00 -
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:04:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen.
CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this.
In other words, a RESPEC means a complete reallocation of a player's skill points...and CCP has tried to explain this to you guys so many times it's ridiculous. Instead, they want you to refer to these smaller reallocations as "sp REFUNDS", where they refund a certain area or skill or whatever due to a change in that skill's sp cost, or the complete redesign/removal of skills instead of your ENTIRE sp base.
If anything, the only SP refund we should technically be getting would be for the dropsuit skills, specifically heavy/commando/scout.
This here is absolutely correct, though i admit to accidentally using the word "respec" from seeing the word used so many friggin times...
The only "drastic" change to the skill tree will be in the Dropsuit Command skills. So It's more then likely going to be the only thing that gets a partial refund. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:05:00 -
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I know.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:12:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen.
CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this.
In other words, a RESPEC means a complete reallocation of a player's skill points...and CCP has tried to explain this to you guys so many times it's ridiculous. Instead, they want you to refer to these smaller reallocations as "sp REFUNDS", where they refund a certain area or skill or whatever due to a change in that skill's sp cost, or the complete redesign/removal of skills instead of your ENTIRE sp base.
If anything, the only SP refund we should technically be getting would be for the dropsuit skills, specifically heavy/commando/scout.
Oh? CCP Praetorian referred to it as a respec. whn asked about racial parity but as someone else said, semantics.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:14:00 -
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I want a respec
Who wants some?
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:15:00 -
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OP is correct.
However this community wants a respec to go OP tanks
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:15:00 -
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Semantics. This 'definition' is irrelevant to the topic at large.
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Yokal Bob
G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
365
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:17:00 -
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40mil sp players have an advantage anyway, a respec isn't going to change much in this regards
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Haerr
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:17:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:I want a respec
I want a refund
@CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
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Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
290
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:19:00 -
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Its actually a respend reskill RP SP recycled skillfund. |
Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:20:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:Then the reasons CCP has given are terrible. The management of this game has been so mediocre I don't even know why they're still involved in the project. As if 40m SP players don't already have a huge advantage, when players fresh out of the academy are forced to fight against their proto gear.
Exactly. As if someone speccing out of the Gallente logi and into the Caldari sentinel is going to break the balance so much that the entire game will collapse. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:27:00 -
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They mean the same thing: Partial respec = partial refund Full respec = full refund
Respecs/refunds don't give you advantages, you still have the same amount of SP capable of doing the same exact things. Is players making informed intelligent decisions on how to spend SP that scary to you? Consider this. Scenario 1: specced into Caldari assault gradually until I got protyotype. I have 6 million SP total. Scenario 2: I suddenly specced into prototype Caldari assault after getting a respec/refund. I have 6 million SP total. Does it matter which scenario is true? 6 million SP is still 6 million SP, and a prototype Caldari assault is still a prototype Caldari assault.
The only advantage to a respec for a player is that they probably figured out from experience what they want to do, and they're going to make a more informed decision; that is a GOOD THING.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:30:00 -
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Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD
Carry on. I could use more free likes.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:33:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD
Carry on. I could use more free likes. I reread it again, and none of it seems like a joke.
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:42:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD
Carry on. I could use more free likes. I reread it again, and none of it seems like a joke.
But that's the point :P
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Philipp Achtel
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:53:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I don't know why people are talking about respecs all of a sudden, because guys...that's not going to happen.
CCP has already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that they don't want to give out respecs because a 40m sp character gains a significant advantage over someone with only 5m. Not only this, but they want to continue with the game, and not keep having to restart like this.
This is precisely the opposite of the situation. It seems to me that it's mostly people with 30M+ SP who don't give a damn because they are already skilled in everything they'd ever want to use. So FoTM is okay for them, but not for you, you ****** 5M SP scrub. I hope you spent your skillpoints wisely (read: somehow looked into your crystal ball to see what you were really speccing into).
At the end of the day, no respec has nothing to do with FoTM. that's a balancing issue, not a respec issue
It wouldn't even be an issue if this game was more like eve and there was something to do that wasn't directly competitive. "Your suit got nerfed? go play PvE or mine or something while you find another play style." But in reality, it's, "Go get your ass kicked for 4 weeks while you wait. I hope you like rep tools because that's what you're using now."
This community...
ETA: The "respec" vs "refund" point is mostly semantic, but I don't really disagree as long as the right trees are being refunded. |
Charlie 'Chaplin' Pennock
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:56:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:Then the reasons CCP has given are terrible. The management of this game has been so mediocre I don't even know why they're still involved in the project. As if 40m SP players don't already have a huge advantage, when players fresh out of the academy are forced to fight against their proto gear.
You gotta earn that SP. Just like we all did. |
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:58:00 -
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Whatever it's called....... no.
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:59:00 -
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I would argue that a respec/SP refund offers more advantage to a mid sp player (5mil-10mil or so) than to someone with 40 mil sp. A player with less SP is disproportionately affected by poor allocation of SP. A SP refund would allow them to more tightly focus on their core role and better compete with higher sp players (at least in one defined role). A player with 40m SP will be able to prune a few things they don't use, but they will still have max core skill. A refund will just allow a high SP player to reallocate SP spent testing weapons/suits in a more focused way, resulting in having a second or third fully fleshed out role. There are plenty of good arguments for and against a refund, but I don't think a refund favoring higher SP players is one of them.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:10:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Woah...people are actually taking me seriously here? I was just posting this as a joke thread XD
Carry on. I could use more free likes. I reread it again, and none of it seems like a joke. But that's the point :P There kinds of things are nearly organic in the way they evolve and mutate. Shhhhh, let us study the infant threadnaught in its natural habitat.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:22:00 -
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::sigh::
A 40 million SP character already has builds maxed out.
The only damage is to peoples ego and imagination.
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Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:26:00 -
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Necro Respec! |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:31:00 -
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So I get a respec? Just going to have me spend time getting back to where I want to be. Sure I may focus more on things I want like drop uplink instead of putting those spare million SP into vehicles which I don't like. Around 20+ million refunds only help really to eliminate any side things we tried and didn't like. |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.17 18:33:00 -
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I'd like to return all the proceeds from my Merc Pack and AUR purchases for a cash refund, but I'd also like to have been the guy who invented the internet. Darn you, Al Gore!
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.02.17 18:36:00 -
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Saw the word respec, so I'm here. What's up guys?
*lifts Racial Respec torch and pitchfork*
We doing this or what? |
Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.02.17 18:41:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:I'd like to return all the proceeds from my Merc Pack and AUR purchases for a cash refund, but I'd also like to have been the guy who invented the internet. Darn you, Al Gore!
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