But swarm launchers and plasma cannons should only be able to kill LAVs and dropships!

Don't be absurd.
That shouldn't be possible, even if the tanker is sleeping.


On a serious note, the plasma cannon is a very sad weapon. I was using a pair of them on a Commando against a tank the other day and it couldn't make a dent. I fired off 8 or so rounds and the tank was near full health when I gave up.

1.5 mil sp to even get into a Militia tank, 2 mil for std.

Fixed.

Oh yeah, and raise the price.

I agree on the sentiment.

I don't necessarily mind the amount of tanks that are often deployed.

What I absolutely HATE is not being able to do anything about them 90% of the time unless I use my forge gun fit. And it's boring because I end up spending a lot of time waiting or crying while watching tanks escape with 10% of their health left. Other times I decide to spawn my forge gunner and all the tanks get destroyed before I get a chance to engage one. So then i'm stuck in a slow ass suit, trying to make my way to a supply depot.

Anyways, Light AV needs to be buffed, yes. Just enough so that at least one single light AV guy can force a tank to retreat after taking fire from two or three "magazines" worth of ammo. (give the plc 2 or 3 shots before it has to reload)

DPS needs to be higher than the highest amount of passive reps a tank can receive (I used a PlC on an armor tank that recovered to full health before I could even get a second shot off).

Make Light AV weapons equipable to the sidearm weapon slot (go ahead and change the name "sidearm" to "secondary" if it makes you feel better). Rocket launchers are not primary weapons in modern FPS for a reason. Primary "rocket launchers" and everything else similar should be reserved for HEAVY weaponry (like the forge gun).

Yet another medium frames should do everything post.

Why not just remove everything that isn't a medium suit and a rail rifle? That seems to be where people want this game to go, lets just skip all the intermediate steps.

Really?

Because I have made several suggestions for buffs to the PLC, and either a range or damage buff for swarms.

The difference is that I want to keep the heavy suit as the primary AV role because it is very well suited to it, whereas you scrubs don't want to make any sort of distinction between your AP fits and your AV fits, you want everything in a single frame to save you SP, or the difficult task of figuring out which suit is best suited to the task at hand.

I want to run a different turret, it takes a boatload of SP, but you just want to scroll down to another light weapon and get the same effectiveness as the only AV weapon on the only frame that is designed to be able to survive a fight against a vehicle.

Hey, since infantry are too stupid to figure out that attacking a hardened shield tank with swarms is not effective, we should change that too right? Catering to mouth breathers rarely improves a game.

Removing swarms would be great, because people who want fire and forget AV are bad, and should have no impact on the game.

You want AV that works, aim for yourself. You already get AV nades, and if you need your main to aim for you as well, then maybe you should do something other than play an FPS.

You want an effective PLC? I am with you on that, that thing is monstrously difficult with a low payoff. If it needs that much skill to get hits, it needs lots more damage. The issue CCP has stated is not overbuffing it versus infantry. Untie that knot and you win a prize.

As to your Last couple of lines, an Amarr Sentinel can wield a forge just fine. So the Gallente should serve just as well. Not that you would know, because you won't even spend 273k SP to get an advanced Amarr heavy frame and run 2 damage mods. Because less than a weeks worth of SP to run dual damage mods is a bad investment somehow.

Keep getting stomped in whatever ambush matches you spam trying to grind out ISK.

MLT tanks are an abomination

It doesn't take long to skill into your own tank, there is absolutely no excuse for MLT tanks as is, period.

Swarms need the tiniest buff to damage, a little buff to lock on range, and a healthy buff to projectile speed. Plasma Cannon...needs....a reason to exist.

Return all AV to 1.6 levels, leave AV nades as they are to keep the ultimate mega scrub tankers happy that somehow managed to get killed by these 20m ranged, stock of 3 nades.

Then buff the PLC direct damage to 1500 STD, 1750 ADV, 2000 PRO.



Then watch tanks actually be balanced against the old swarms.

Plasma cannon needs an outright 200% direct damage boost. CQC AV should outdamage forge gun DPS.

They need a jumping off point, not a ******* catapult.

How about we get rid of that ridiculous damage scale while we are at it.

No other weapon gets a 50% bump in damage output going from STD to Proto.

any discussion about increasing effectiveness of AV vs HAV should have the decency to at least reflect on the effect any changes will have on DS, ADS specifically.

from a purely intuited standpoint:
Swarms need either clip buff or minor damage buff
FG fine, even from ADS POV- map design seems to be the major ***** in DS armor any ways most of the time :(
AV Grenade mostly fine, feels underpowered unless its proto. (from tank POV)
PlasC ... never faced one tbh.. and havent bothered to spec into it... does that say anything? O_o


hopefully once all racial suits arrive we can get onto delivering the rest of the racial weapon varients, and then maybe we'll see some movement on delivery of the racial vehicles and more vehicle types, at which point it could be expected to see larger maps (:P for the PS4 ver.DUST514)

it its starting to get to you, take a damn break from the game...

Actually if you buff the damage too much then they do become too much of a threat when there's just a couple, considering that they don't have to be aimed. While they do need a very small buff to damage, what they actually need is faster projectile speed, so their damage is more reliably applied to all forms of vehicles.

I'd rather Proxy's be deadly.. and make them a bit bigger...

When infantry setup proxy traps in high traffic area's for anti tank defense it should work... not be a speed bump...

If there is 3-4 Proxy sitting on a road and a tank runs over it no matter the tank... BOOOOOM

If it's a smart tanker they will have situational awareness and see the proxy and pre-detonate them with their turret.

Anti-Vehicle Infantry Warfare Should be Defensive not Offensive... that mere notion is a bit silly... and goes against natural AV balance.

See my signature.. Forge gun ROF and Splash nerf has made it a crappy weapon. Damage decrease was fine.

No its not. That a ******* ignorant an short sighted means of balancing something that need to change on the end of the HAV not AV.

HAV need the change. AV is in possibly the most solid place it could be right now when you consider Medium Vehicle frames will be introduce in the coming months/ year.

LOL NO
old swarms damage would be worse than op
balance std and adv AV tiers.