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Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4032	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:15:00 - [1] - Quote HAVs are not OP. Hardeners are OP. I am your scan error.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 670	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:17:00 - [2] - Quote Being hard is OP. Who wants some?
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1151	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:17:00 - [3] - Quote Yes, HAVs are OP. Hardeners just make it worse. A cheap militia HAV, even without hardeners, has way more EHP, way more DPS and way more speed than any infantry dropsuit. At anything other than really short range it can track targets just as well. And it still requires just a single player. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:19:00 - [4] - Quote Truer words have rarely been said. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10802	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:28:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. Railguns need a rof Nerf anyways, they put out more damage quicker than blasters before overheating, but then again both railguns and blasters need looking at. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 141	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:28:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. You do realize the results of all the crying from tankers and pilots in 1.6 on how crappy tanks are and derpships as well resulted in 1.7 tankbustitallandifnotusaderpship514 buff which resulted in the railgun redline tank right? I mean really NOW you see what you tank and pilots short sighted crying did to this game yeah? Deal with it and then wait for the nerf to balance this crap back to where it was more sane. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:38:00 - [8] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HAVs are not OP. Hardeners are OP. WRONG! Neither are op. I can solo kill 3 tanks(ANY) in a single match. They are trading armor for hardeners. My forge is pumping out "upto" 4000hp a pop. I can one shot them if I get a direct hit to the fuel cells in rear (168% damage). What most of you "op" guys dont know is, tanks/ships have weak points. Anywhere else is a waste of ammo.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 863	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:48:00 - [9] - Quote In all honesty I think that most of it is there isn't any difference in the efficacy between the different tiers of hardeners, damage mods and shield boosters nor are there any skills to increase damage, armor, shields or passive resistances. You can fit a militia tank for 75k ISK and 0SP that is almost as tough as standard tank that can survive AV long enough to do some serious damage. Far more people would be willing to spend several million ISK and SP for a good tank than would spend 75k ISK and 0 SP. Not saying that's the only problem or that even complex mods shouldn't be tweaked but it is the overwhelming majority of the current problem. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1157	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:13:00 - [10] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HAVs are not OP. Hardeners are OP. WRONG! Neither are op. I can solo kill 3 tanks(ANY) in a single match. They are trading armor for hardeners. My forge is pumping out "upto" 4000hp a pop. I can one shot them if I get a direct hit to the fuel cells in rear (168% damage). What most of you "op" guys dont know is, tanks/ships have weak points. Anywhere else is a waste of ammo. How many infantry can you solo kill in a single match? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1578	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:23:00 - [11] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HAVs are not OP. Hardeners are OP. Hardeners + speed is OP. It's really that infantry can't catch a tank that stops us from applying damage. I live the 'waves of opportunity/vulnerability' design, but the most important single factor in that model is speed. Imagin what would happen if tanks were mush slower or infantry much faster: tanks would be rolling coffins. Imagine if infantry had webbing grenades or could fire their handheld AV weaponry from a LAV or hoverbike: Tank = dead meat. We need to have all the AV tools in the game before we can balance - CCP either had a cunning plan or made a noob's mistake by changing the vehicle model without supplying all the AV tools at the same time. I support SP rollover.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2234	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:33:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. Yup. It's why all vehicles should have their own mods. All land heavy vehicles should have their own mods. All sky light vehicles should do the same. And so on and so forth. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4036	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:42:00 - [13] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HAVs are not OP. Hardeners are OP. Hardeners + speed is OP. It's really that infantry can't catch a tank that stops us from applying damage. I love the 'waves of opportunity/vulnerability' design, but the most important single factor in that model is speed. Imagine what would happen if tanks were much slower or infantry much faster: tanks would be rolling coffins. Imagine if infantry had webbing grenades or could fire their handheld AV weaponry from a LAV or hoverbike: Tank = dead meat. We need to have all the AV tools in the game before we can balance - CCP either had a cunning plan or made a noob's mistake by changing the vehicle model without supplying all the AV tools at the same time. Edit: About stacking hardeners - if we need to address perma-hardening(hard to know w/out webs, tbh) then the stacking penalty should be to the duty cycle, not the resist %. This keeps the 'waves of opportunity' model intact. There really is no "waves of opportunity" thing. Most "good" HAV fits I see use 2 hardeners that they can cycle constantly. I am your scan error.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 554	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:00:00 - [14] - Quote Just got out of a match with a gunnlogi with shield and armor hardeners. Granted this didn't protect him from my 4 boundless RE's on his fuel tank but it's also not the first time I've seen this. Duel/multi hardeners are a big part of the problem, they remove the "window of opportunity" infantry are supposed to get. Even then I'd still be happy with a blaster range nerf and a buff to proxies by either making them stronger or removing the warning. CCP your matchmaking sucks Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Otavio Martins The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 206	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:03:00 - [15] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. Railguns need a rof Nerf anyways, they put out more damage quicker than blasters before overheating, but then again both railguns and blasters need looking at. Railguns are more AV and Blasters are more AP RC-1087 Star Wars Fan. Please gimme some ISK.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4039	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:21:00 - [16] - Quote Otavio Martins wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. Railguns need a rof Nerf anyways, they put out more damage quicker than blasters before overheating, but then again both railguns and blasters need looking at. Railguns are more AV and Blasters are more AP That isn't how it should be. Range is what needs to set the turrets apart; not function. It's like saying rail rifles are meant to kill heavies while assault rifles are meant to kill scouts. I am your scan error.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:23:00 - [17] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Yet if you nerf hardeners too much, suddenly dropships become weak again, especially with the current redline situation and railguns being a thing and all. You do realize the results of all the crying from tankers and pilots in 1.6 on how crappy tanks are and derpships as well resulted in 1.7 tankbustitallandifnotusaderpship514 buff which resulted in the railgun redline tank right? I mean really NOW you see what you tank and pilots short sighted crying did to this game yeah? Deal with it and then wait for the nerf to balance this crap back to where it was more sane. no redline tank was an issue before, there were just less pilots to complain about it, the pilot polulation went up with 1.7 don't really care if they nerf hardeners, i prefer a buffer most times anyway. i foresaw the QQ and learned not to rely on them knowing they will get nerfed. after that it will probably be an AB nerf which will kill dust final for me. just killing time til i can fly in planetside2, dont care what gets nerfed here anymore this is a downhill project u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 685	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:25:00 - [18] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HAVs are not OP. Hardeners are OP. WRONG! Neither are op. I can solo kill 3 tanks(ANY) in a single match. They are trading armor for hardeners. My forge is pumping out "upto" 4000hp a pop. I can one shot them if I get a direct hit to the fuel cells in rear (168% damage). What most of you "op" guys dont know is, tanks/ships have weak points. Anywhere else is a waste of ammo. ur op. The rest of us proto forge guys suck. Who wants some?


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