DUST Search - QQ moar, infantry.

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

It's easy to kill a tank.

This is because (EDITed in) swarm launchers are OP and need a nerf, and HAVs need at least another twenty slots, and approximately fourteen million point seven two five PG, and proportionate CPU, to be viable, let alone effective. (Happy, Ghost? Back to my rage).

Doesn't take another tank, though that's the best method if you don't care about winning the match (or are playing Ambush), but a forge gun allows AV and AI capability. And the Magsec is coming for your AR-in-a-can.

Swarms are gimped. PlC has always been gimped. We know this.

Adapt.

Stick your REs to our hulls.

Suicide with a Jihad Jeep - nitrous is helpful for getting that last bit of speed before impact.

If you're half-decent with a forge you should still be able to solo most tanks.
If you can't (some HAVs are solid - dual hardened vehicles of any stripe are pretty tough to take down) being a friend. I assume you have some.
Maybe you can co-ordinate in squad chat if you can't.

Adapt or die. We did for months. It's your turn.

You might like to know that the conditions are still bugged in your favour. Presumably CCP's fixing those bugs. It's pretty clear that balance is coming.

In the meantime, QQ moar - c[_] <--- insert tears here for maximum efficiency.

P.S. I have a confession to make - I don't use my HAV's much anymore. It's tedious. My DAU does the job nearly as efficiently, and with much more entertainment on my part.

"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

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Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1676	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:36:00 - [1] - Quote It's easy to kill a tank. Doesn't take another tank, though that's the best method if you don't care about winning the match (or are playing Ambush), but a forge gun allows AV and AI capability. And the Magsec is coming for your AR-in-a-can. Swarms are gimped. PlC has always been gimped. We know this. Adapt. Stick your REs to our hulls. Suicide with a Jihad Jeep - nitrous is helpful for getting that last bit of speed before impact. If you're half-decent with a forge you should still be able to solo most tanks. If you can't (some HAVs are solid - dual hardened vehicles of any stripe are pretty tough to take down) being a friend. I assume you have some. Maybe you can co-ordinate in squad chat if you can't. Adapt or die. We did for months. It's your turn. You might like to know that the conditions are still bugged in your favour. Presumably CCP's fixing those bugs. It's pretty clear that balance is coming. In the meantime, QQ moar - c[_] <--- insert tears here for maximum efficiency. P.S. I have a confession to make - I don't use my HAV's much anymore. It's tedious. My DAU does the job nearly as efficiently, and with much more entertainment on my part. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1237	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:44:00 - [2] - Quote Stahp, you're going to give infantry the wrong idea. More tears = more fuel for the Learning Coalition. It's simple universe mechanics, how can you not understand this?! We need to turn this post into a QQ-Generator... Add a couple "Swarms are OP" and "Tanks are UP" comments in there. Also, tell them their mother's are fat. But yea. I mean. I hate to Jihad Jeep, but it works. Forges are still good. And I'd say LEAVE TANKS AS IS, and provide a damage buff to Swarms (maybe back to 1.6 levels), keeping the range at 200m. That way, it can't obliterate dropships, and it can actually harm tanks. However, a "Damage Tank +25" might also be a solution. It could make AV a legitimate, WP-gaining role, and wouldn't be a promise that tanks are easy to kill. Nice and clean. ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1677	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:47:00 - [3] - Quote Get out of here with your being constructive, Ghost. I don't want it in my rage thread. :P Editing post nao. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9469	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:48:00 - [4] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Adapt. Stick your REs to our hulls. Suicide with a Jihad Jeep - nitrous is helpful for getting that last bit of speed before impact. If you're half-decent with a forge you should still be able to solo most tanks. If you can't (some HAVs are solid - dual hardened vehicles of any stripe are pretty tough to take down) being a friend. I assume you have some. Maybe you can co-ordinate in squad chat if you can't. Adapt or die. We did for months. It's your turn. People are adapting. Of course, these methods don't work sometimes because tanks are cheap enough that you can cover the field in them. That way, you can't bring in your own tanks, or jihad jeeps, and if you attempt to run infantry AV you get cut down. This is what Ambush is pretty much every time now. It happens sometimes in the other modes. Also, I notice that some tankers are in fact still bitching and whining about AV being able to kill them. Those tactics you suggested? They're 'cheap' and 'shouldn't exist'. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 270	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:48:00 - [5] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: It's easy to kill a tank. Doesn't take another tank, though that's the best method if you don't care about winning the match (or are playing Ambush), but a forge gun allows AV and AI capability. And the Magsec is coming for your AR-in-a-can. Swarms are gimped. PlC has always been gimped. We know this. Adapt. Stick your REs to our hulls. Suicide with a Jihad Jeep - nitrous is helpful for getting that last bit of speed before impact. If you're half-decent with a forge you should still be able to solo most tanks. If you can't (some HAVs are solid - dual hardened vehicles of any stripe are pretty tough to take down) being a friend. I assume you have some. Maybe you can co-ordinate in squad chat if you can't. Adapt or die. We did for months. It's your turn. You might like to know that the conditions are still bugged in your favour. Presumably CCP's fixing those bugs. It's pretty clear that balance is coming. In the meantime, QQ moar - c[_] <--- insert tears here for maximum efficiency. P.S. I have a confession to make - I don't use my HAV's much anymore. It's tedious. My DAU does the job nearly as efficiently, and with much more entertainment on my part. So I guess you claimed that 50 mil isk someone was offering for video proof of infantry pwning vehciles eh? no? yeah that's what I thought. Go back to your baby carriage and wait for the impending nerf baby.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 46	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:50:00 - [6] - Quote Boy you tankers sure worry a lot about infantry getting better AV. Perhaps if you all didn't suck so bad you wouldn't all flock to the most obviously imbalanced game on the market, and then to the single most imbalanced mechanic in said game? Hmmmmmmmm?
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2659	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:51:00 - [7] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Adapt or die. We did for months. It's your turn. No tanks QQ'd on a daily basis for months so get off our backs... Selling Templar BPO's(325Mil) EVE Killboard
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1097	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:52:00 - [8] - Quote Yawn MAG ~ Raven
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7079	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:53:00 - [9] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: It's easy to kill a tank. This is because (EDITed in) swarm launchers are OP and need a nerf, and HAVs need at least another twenty slots, and approximately fourteen million point seven two five PG, and proportionate CPU, to be viable, let alone effective. (Happy, Ghost? Back to my rage). Doesn't take another tank, though that's the best method if you don't care about winning the match (or are playing Ambush), but a forge gun allows AV and AI capability. And the Magsec is coming for your AR-in-a-can. Swarms are gimped. PlC has always been gimped. We know this. Adapt. Stick your REs to our hulls. Suicide with a Jihad Jeep - nitrous is helpful for getting that last bit of speed before impact. If you're half-decent with a forge you should still be able to solo most tanks. If you can't (some HAVs are solid - dual hardened vehicles of any stripe are pretty tough to take down) being a friend. I assume you have some. Maybe you can co-ordinate in squad chat if you can't. Adapt or die. We did for months. It's your turn. You might like to know that the conditions are still bugged in your favour. Presumably CCP's fixing those bugs. It's pretty clear that balance is coming. In the meantime, QQ moar - c[_] <--- insert tears here for maximum efficiency. P.S. I have a confession to make - I don't use my HAV's much anymore. It's tedious. My DAU does the job nearly as efficiently, and with much more entertainment on my part. Lorhak stop trolling these poor suckers.... I know you love it .....and its funny. It really is.....but cant you just leave them in their inadequacy..... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7079	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:55:00 - [10] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Boy you tankers sure worry a lot about infantry getting better AV. Perhaps if you all didn't suck so bad you wouldn't all flock to the most obviously imbalanced game on the market, and then to the single most imbalanced mechanic in said game? Hmmmmmmmm? I'd love Infantry to get better AV and you will. Its called the Scrambler Lance. Its Amarrian made and it'll put your weapons to shame. But what you aren't considering in you AV buff are the future MTAC, MAV, and Air vehicles that will have lesser shield and armour values and will not be able to stand up to AV balanced against Tanks. What needs to change is not AV or tank modules. But player mindset and HAV battlefield role designation. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 271	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:08:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alternate Insano wrote: Boy you tankers sure worry a lot about infantry getting better AV. Perhaps if you all didn't suck so bad you wouldn't all flock to the most obviously imbalanced game on the market, and then to the single most imbalanced mechanic in said game? Hmmmmmmmm? I'd love Infantry to get better AV and you will. Its called the Scrambler Lance. Its Amarrian made and it'll put your weapons to shame. But what you aren't considering in you AV buff are the future MTAC, MAV, and Air vehicles that will have lesser shield and armour values and will not be able to stand up to AV balanced against Tanks. What needs to change is not AV or tank modules. But player mindset and HAV battlefield role designation. Basically the HAV main gun should do like 10% damage to infantry, the same way that infantry weapons do 10% damage to tanks. I am 100% fine with dying to the gunners on a tank/dropship/LAV, I am not ok with a solowtfpwnmobile tank owning entire squads using 0 skill.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 228	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:28:00 - [12] - Quote You know when you're in your tank, ******* unloading on some red dots ratatatatat...feeling like a real badass as your WP tally rises in unison with your lackluster manhood...then SUDDENLY...nothing.................................... HAV Destruction +150 Kill +50 COVERT SUBTERFUGE (died) COVERT SUBTERFUGE COVERT SUBTERFUGE (Remote Explosive) You BPO dropsuit: 0 ISK BPO L.A.V: 0 ISK Remote Explosives x2: 8000 ISK Wiping out an unsuspecting tanker and 80K+ of their ISK in an adrenaline fused bomb buggy? PRICELESS Jihad Taxi's, made possible by the Matari master race. You're welcome Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:31:00 - [13] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: You know when you're in your tank, ******* unloading on some red dots ratatatatat...feeling like a real badass as your WP tally rises in unison with your lackluster manhood...then SUDDENLY...nothing.................................... HAV Destruction +150 Kill +50 COVERT SUBTERFUGE (died) COVERT SUBTERFUGE COVERT SUBTERFUGE (Remote Explosive) You BPO dropsuit: 0 ISK BPO L.A.V: 0 ISK Remote Explosives x2: 8000 ISK Wiping out an unsuspecting tanker and 80K+ of their ISK in an adrenaline fused bomb buggy? PRICELESS Jihad Taxi's, made possible by the Matari master race. You're welcome According to tankers jihad jeeps = OP. Can you believe the balls on these people? Oh, spawn the bpo LAV near a supply depo so you can switch to a starter fit after "enhancing" your LAV.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1680	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:37:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: People are adapting. Of course, these methods don't work sometimes because tanks are cheap enough that you can cover the field in them. That way, you can't bring in your own tanks, or jihad jeeps, and if you attempt to run infantry AV you get cut down. This is what Ambush is pretty much every time now. It happens sometimes in the other modes. Also, I notice that some tankers are in fact still bitching and whining about AV being able to kill them. Those tactics you suggested? They're 'cheap' and 'shouldn't exist'. It's true, infantry are adapting. Many still like to cry. The spam is a problem, and it's one of two situations where I'll pull a tank (the other being where a green is having issues with his HAV and is likely to lose a lot of ISK soon). I have no problems with using infantry AV in 'bush, except against spam. And those tankers bitching and whining about jeeps? Bads, the lot of them. Oh, I guarantee that one day I might be amongst their number, but that day will come only if infantry AV is buffed from its current gimped state. If they remove it without buffing AV somewhat I'll be mad. Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No tanks QQ'd on a daily basis for months so get off our backs... looks at the forums oh wait. Hypocrite. Alternate Insano wrote: Boy you tankers sure worry a lot about infantry getting better AV. Perhaps if you all didn't suck so bad you wouldn't all flock to the most obviously imbalanced game on the market, and then to the single most imbalanced mechanic in said game? Hmmmmmmmm? Pleas put some points into Reading Comprehension and try OP again. If you read, I'm saying it's still entirely possible to kill tanks. I point out that AV is gimped. I want swarms and PLC to be buffed. I want this game to be challenging for me. Contrary to popular belief, tanks have only been a 'baby carriage' since 1.7. Prior to that there were two roles worse off, and one was another vehicle. @Crimson, ran out of quotes and don't want to double post, but I'd just like to point out that I actually avoid using my HAV these days? Pretty sure I've made that clear. I also am inclined to agree that vehicle weapons need reworking, though I'd say damage should be halved, at least on blasters. This is because otherwise HAVs are defenseless against infantry and lack a purpose - their current design philosophy is around solo play. Requiring more persons to effectively operate the vehicle would be counterproductive to the current direction of vehicle-AV balance. I am rather of the opinion that Heavy suits, being the most vulnerable to vehicle weapons, should have a 25%? resistance against vehicle weapons inherent to them (tied to the suit not a skill) and that blaster turrets (being the primary reason that HAVs are a bit broke right now) should have either their vehicle damage (or their total damage) halved. As it is they're the highest-DPS weapon in the game (aside from missiles) and probably the most versatile (assuming the user's competent). Anyway, my rage has abated. As might be evident by the above wall of text. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 229	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:45:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: You know when you're in your tank, ******* unloading on some red dots ratatatatat...feeling like a real badass as your WP tally rises in unison with your lackluster manhood...then SUDDENLY...nothing.................................... HAV Destruction +150 Kill +50 COVERT SUBTERFUGE (died) COVERT SUBTERFUGE COVERT SUBTERFUGE (Remote Explosive) You BPO dropsuit: 0 ISK BPO L.A.V: 0 ISK Remote Explosives x2: 8000 ISK Wiping out an unsuspecting tanker and 80K+ of their ISK in an adrenaline fused bomb buggy? PRICELESS Jihad Taxi's, made possible by the Matari master race. You're welcome According to tankers jihad jeeps = OP. Can you believe the balls on these people? Oh, spawn the bpo LAV near a supply depo so you can switch to a starter fit after "enhancing" your LAV. It's my custom to die with my Combat Rifle and so I take it with me on each run...equipped on the SEVER logi BPO....so it costs me closer to 10K a run. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 55	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:36:00 - [16] - Quote All trolling aside, it's a goddamn tank. I can't seem to use them, but realistically, they should slaughter everything. One guy with some budget rocket should not be a match for even a budget tank. Imagine, if you will, **** ***** going to the UN all butthurt that the M1 Abrams was OP and he wanted his points back.... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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