the problem isn't only Hp, but the tiering should be 44 55 66 if we want to keep complex the same as it is now. Currently, my proposed buff is only 6 hp,which is negligible, but makes it so that armor doesn't give more than 2x as much as a shield extender, but instead slightly less.

The real problem is fittings believe it or not. Armor plates currently work very well in conjunction with damage mods because they fit together with ease, however, shield extenders have far too much pg to be fitted with a lot of biotics in the low module slots.

Are my fitting requirement changes fair in your opinions?

The only real problems are fitting requirements and hp versus level. Right now, armor plates only have to be at ADV and are the best HP bonuser in the game, all things considered. Plates allow for easily stacked damage mods in the highs, as they should (plates=high pg low cpu, damage mods=high cpu low pg). However, shield extenders are only effective at prototype level, as STD and ADV give only 1/3 and 1/2 of the hp respectively. In addition, the fitting requirements on shield extenders are so very high that they are difficult to run much of anything past basic gear on. Extenders are supposed to allow for greater mobility so that they can leverage the suits superior shield regeneration, and thus should be coupled with Pg intensive biotic modules in the low slots. However, the fitting costs on extenders in the Pg department do not allow for this, unlike how armor's low cpu usage allows for damage mod usage. A great easy number tweaking would fix all of the aforementioned problems.

STD: (85 armor, 3 PG, 10 CPU) vs (44 shields, 2 PG, 15 CPU)
ADV: (110 armor, 6 PG, 22 CPU) vs (58 shields, 4 PG, 30 CPU)
PRO: (135 armor, 12 PG, 34 CPU) vs (72 shields, 7 PG, 54 CPU)

the problem is half the slots are not dedicated to armor reppersGǪthere is nobody who does that except a select few, no offense to you. I think you read my idea before, but i am going to post it here again about a module that increases total armor repair rate that goes in the high slot, allowing gallants who have high base armor rep rate to stack plates in the lows, and still have have repair. It just makes sense

my armor supplies an infinite amount of hp, and my hives supply it faster than your shields do. there really is no supportable argument that could be conceived by a sane man about why shields should not get a buff at STD and ADV at the very least, and the firing requirement reduction brings it more in line with armor. by raising PRO shield extenders, I'm simply bringing their hp to slightly above half of armor plates instead of below

So do you believe extenders need a lower CPU and PG cost, and better scaling?

Do you agree with the numbers that i put in my OP?

44 hp at STd, 58 at ADV, and 72 at PRO, with a 4 pg reduction at PRO?

Thanks!

np at all. Like said, this is important to get right. As I believe w/ the pg reduction and a extender increase, it will being that more into balance with the value of armor

Agreed, I'm glad this community has people as clearheaded as you

The biggest difference is the fact that "teamwork" is treated as a balancing factor between shields and armor.

Armor gets pathetically low reps, and if you want to increase it by any respectable amount you need to sacrifice TONS of armor health to achieve a very small amount of health regeneration.
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Checkmate has a point that armor can easily mitigate its only disadvantages through the use of equipment, whereas shields cannot, and have less health, and are vulnerable to far more potent weapons than armor.

Also, you forgot the scrambler rifle being able to one-shot any shield value in the game with max proficiency. Or a breach scram pistol with a single headshot (regular if proficiency is maxed).

Does it apply to regular delay too? It feels like it.

So why not make them glowing beacons of RED DOT on the radar while they run circles around armor tanked people?

True.But there are Armor Repping Tools and Nanohives.
Equipments that COVER these weakness.

Shields dont have anything to cover their weakness ( having less HP ) and instead get 1HKO'd by Flux grenades.

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The only real problems are fitting requirements and hp versus level. Right now, armor plates only have to be at ADV and are the best HP bonuser in the game, all things considered. Plates allow for easily stacked damage mods in the highs, as they should (plates=high pg low cpu, damage mods=high cpu low pg). However, shield extenders are only effective at prototype level, as STD and ADV give only 1/3 and 1/2 of the hp respectively. In addition, the fitting requirements on shield extenders are so very high that they are difficult to run much of anything past basic gear on. Extenders are supposed to allow for greater mobility so that they can leverage the suits superior shield regeneration, and thus should be coupled with Pg intensive biotic modules in the low slots. However, the fitting costs on extenders in the Pg department do not allow for this, unlike how armor's low cpu usage allows for damage mod usage. A great easy number tweaking would fix all of the aforementioned problems.

EDITS: change speed penalty to 3/4/5 for armor plates as well so that proto plates are more attractive for use
STD: (85 armor, 3 PG, 10 CPU) vs (44 shields, 2 PG, 15 CPU)
ADV: (110 armor, 6 PG, 22 CPU) vs (58 shields, 4 PG, 30 CPU)
PRO: (135 armor, 12 PG, 34 CPU) vs (72 shields, 7 PG, 54 CPU)

No to shield extender buff. You would just use the spare PG to put armor plates on and bricktank. What you should do is either use biotics or profile dampaners on your lowslots. They do work and because every muppet is running with a actve scanner around they wouldnt even notice you if you would stand 20m infront of them.

I didn't know nyan san ran minmitar scoutsGǪ.doesnt it require too much skill?

Fixed it in the OP, as well as adding other reasons why to increase shield extenders

The biggest difference is the fact that "teamwork" is treated as a balancing factor between shields and armor.

Armor gets pathetically low reps, and if you want to increase it by any respectable amount you need to sacrifice TONS of armor health to achieve a very small amount of health regeneration.

However, you could just stack plates in all your lows and rely on repair hives and repair tools to achieve greater health AND greater regen than shields (no delay, higher regen per second). This is not okay.

Armor should have a small native regeneration rate rather than none at all. Shields need their own version of "repair tools" and "repair hives" that give them shield related benefits. And CCP, just please get rid of all the penalties. The only reason shields have a penalty is because armor has one (for some reason).

The only logical reason I can think of why armor plates must have a speed penalty is so that we won't have scouts running at full speed with 700+ armor health. That's fine, but there are other solutions to that. Armor penalty is just lazy and penalizes other suits that don't need to be penalized. CCP needs to design suits so that modules affect them differently than another suit of a different frame.

Light suits get less hp from a plate/extender than mediums.
Mediums get less hp from a plate/extender than heavies.

Light suits get more reps from repairs/rechargers than mediums.
Mediums get more reps from repairs/rechargers than heavies.

And so on....

And i'm sure CCP could design an even better system. However, they are working with old designs from years ago that they are trying to salvage, back when they thought they could make any piece of trash as quick as they can (I'm actually thankful they didn't release PVE in 2012, would have been another rushed piece of garbage).

Oh, and things like PG, CPU, and ISK are very, very, very, VERY minor balancing points. They have nothing to do with moment to moment gameplay, so they should not be considered when balancing armor and shields for moment to moment gameplay.