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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6478	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:09:00 - [31] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I already fired the first set of swarms by the time he finally found me with his turret. He was a shield tank. I wouldn't expect to kill one with anti-armor things all by myself. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. I do not care what kind of tank it was, if it laughed off the damage in it's weak state, it must get nerfed hard. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 170	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:09:00 - [32] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: The description says otherwise.here. so where does it say not av cause all i see is "primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat". i don't see anything about what its meant to kill. But the Devs say its AV so that means its AV. so if we put the to together it main use is killing vehicles in compounds.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9401	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:10:00 - [33] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: The description says otherwise.here. The description of the SMG says it's semi-automatic. Descriptions are hardly anything to be taken seriously. Especially as CCP have stated multiple times that it is an AV weapon, and its stats clearly show that it is meant to be one. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 418	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:12:00 - [34] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: PLC is supposed to be an area denial weapon in enclosed environments. it is just better at hitting tanks than denying an area. As for what some people use it for and as for what CCP designed it for shouldn't be confused with each other. As per CCP's design plan the Plasma Cannon is an AV launcher weapon. Where the Forge was AV with very good AP potential that needed to be tweaked down, the Plasma Cannon needs to be tweaked up.
Debacle Nano BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 660	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:14:00 - [35] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I already fired the first set of swarms by the time he finally found me with his turret. He was a shield tank. I wouldn't expect to kill one with anti-armor things all by myself. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. I do not care what kind of tank it was, if it laughed off the damage in it's weak state, it must get nerfed hard. I'm sorry you couldn't destroy a tank, using the wrong kind of AV, all by yourself. Closed beta anyone?
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 418	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:15:00 - [36] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: The description says otherwise.here. The description of the SMG says it's semi-automatic. Descriptions are hardly anything to be taken seriously. Especially as CCP have stated multiple times that it is an AV weapon, and its stats clearly show that it is meant to be one. Lol, as for weapon descriptions I still have a right chuckle every time I read the Flaylock's one.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 418	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:16:00 - [37] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I already fired the first set of swarms by the time he finally found me with his turret. He was a shield tank. I wouldn't expect to kill one with anti-armor things all by myself. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. I do not care what kind of tank it was, if it laughed off the damage in it's weak state, it must get nerfed hard. I'm sorry you couldn't destroy a tank, using the wrong kind of AV, all by yourself. Well, it would have worked if he'd switched Flux Grenades in for the AV grenades. Unless his grenade skills suck
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 420	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:19:00 - [38] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: A tank should still be able to die while the hardener is active, it should be difficult but not impossible. They can and they do. A forge gun up the rear for the first couple of shots and the others anywhere else has most HAVs toasting my marshmallows.
Debacle Nano BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 660	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:20:00 - [39] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I already fired the first set of swarms by the time he finally found me with his turret. He was a shield tank. I wouldn't expect to kill one with anti-armor things all by myself. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. I do not care what kind of tank it was, if it laughed off the damage in it's weak state, it must get nerfed hard. I'm sorry you couldn't destroy a tank, using the wrong kind of AV, all by yourself. Well, it would have worked if he'd switched Flux Grenades in for the AV grenades. Unless his grenade skills suck Would have worked well then. Three flux grenades will usually take care of shields and pop that proto swarm in. Would have done wonders. Closed beta anyone?
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 420	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:22:00 - [40] - Quote Haha, any tanker that sits there for 3 fluxes needs their training wheels put back on.

The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 768	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:25:00 - [41] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: The description says otherwise.here. Yeah, I can edit that as well. LOOK! Now its more accurate! Plasma cannon I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1676	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:25:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Kitty, why are you using explosives against a Caldari HAV? Even if those AV nades were Allotek Fluxes the result wouldn't have been any different. He would have activated a module that would have increased his shields to the point the swarms wouldn't have touched it. EVEN if he'd stopped to laugh at him. I call bullshit. 2 fluxes would've smashed those shields, and a swarm would've taken that thing out. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1663	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:29:00 - [43] - Quote You're wrong Cat. Tanks are extremely weak if you manage to catch them on cooldown. The problem is that it's pretty much impossible against good tankers. Tanks need some hardener changes (one option could be to only allow 1 hardener fitted), slightly less repping ability and a lower accerelation (top speed is fine imo). Then Swarms need to change to a 20% damage increase from Standard to Proto rather than the current 50% damage increase (this would be in the form of a Standard and Advanced buff and no change to Proto). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4634	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:34:00 - [44] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Kitty, why are you using explosives against a Caldari HAV? Even if those AV nades were Allotek Fluxes the result wouldn't have been any different. He would have activated a module that would have increased his shields to the point the swarms wouldn't have touched it. EVEN if he'd stopped to laugh at him. I call bullshit. 2 fluxes would've smashed those shields, and a swarm would've taken that thing out. Shield Booster and/or an Extender most likely. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 695	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:36:00 - [45] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Hunted down a tank, got close without it seeing me. I quickly thrown 3 packed AV grenades and managed to get off two swarms. He had 1/3rd his shields up and then just activated a resist mod. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. This is NOT "Waves of oppurtunity" this is waves of "kind of being half aware of the enemy AV" and then a state of "Don't care at all". I killed 15 tanks in three minutes with militia swarms, get gud I call bullshit on that Thor Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1676	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:38:00 - [46] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You're wrong Cat. Tanks are extremely weak if you manage to catch them on cooldown. The problem is that it's pretty much impossible against good tankers. Tanks need some hardener changes (one option could be to only allow 1 hardener fitted), slightly less repping ability and a lower accerelation (top speed is fine imo). Then Swarms need to change to a 20% damage increase from Standard to Proto rather than the current 50% damage increase (this would be in the form of a Standard and Advanced buff and no change to Proto). all swarms need imo is a projectile speed increase, and maybe a 200m lock range. We need to go back to the old slot layout and hardener stats to fix hardeners. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 614	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:39:00 - [47] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Kitty, why are you using explosives against a Caldari HAV? 75 % of the community only has explosives. Who wants some?
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 677	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:57:00 - [48] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I use a proto plasma cannon and have no problem killing tanks. That's a goddamned lie and you know it. It's not. Granted they can get away no problem. But if they're stupid enough to stay and try to kill me I have no problem out smarting them. Confirming that I left my tank parked next to Alpha in domination as I popped out to the shops, came back and AV was so OP it had got it down to half armour! BUFF TANKS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 573	Posted - 2014.02.13 22:49:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Hunted down a tank, got close without it seeing me. I quickly thrown 3 packed AV grenades and managed to get off two swarms. He had 1/3rd his shields up and then just activated a resist mod. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. This is NOT "Waves of oppurtunity" this is waves of "kind of being half aware of the enemy AV" and then a state of "Don't care at all". Let me let you in on a little secret, I run double hardeners. When I take massive damage like that, both of them are popped at the same time. After they go down in 30 seconds, I'm vulnerable for 45 or so seconds. The fact that you nearly killed the tank before it had a chance to get hardeners on should tell you something (Assuming it was a gunnlogi). And it probably only took you a few seconds to apply this damage. Agreed though, that the window for AV opportunity should be wider. Stacking penalties on hardeners, that affect cooldown time. Though you would still RARELY ever catch me with my pants down like that. Usually, the only time you see my tank is WHEN MY HARDENERS ARE UP. I don't **** around with my half mil tanks(ok well sometimes I do). Nuff Said
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 978	Posted - 2014.02.13 23:14:00 - [50] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Hunted down a tank, got close without it seeing me. I quickly thrown 3 packed AV grenades and managed to get off two swarms. He had 1/3rd his shields up and then just activated a resist mod. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. This is NOT "Waves of oppurtunity" this is waves of "kind of being half aware of the enemy AV" and then a state of "Don't care at all". I killed 15 tanks in three minutes with militia swarms, get gud Impossible. It would need to have mods that lower hp and speed.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7056	Posted - 2014.02.13 23:19:00 - [51] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Hunted down a tank, got close without it seeing me. I quickly thrown 3 packed AV grenades and managed to get off two swarms. He had 1/3rd his shields up and then just activated a resist mod. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. This is NOT "Waves of oppurtunity" this is waves of "kind of being half aware of the enemy AV" and then a state of "Don't care at all". No they aren't. Armour Tanks are weak to high alpha, Shield tanks are weak to DPS as I find it without resists "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 473	Posted - 2014.02.13 23:20:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Hunted down a tank, got close without it seeing me. I quickly thrown 3 packed AV grenades and managed to get off two swarms. He had 1/3rd his shields up and then just activated a resist mod. I was using a proto swarm with triple damage mods. This is NOT "Waves of oppurtunity" this is waves of "kind of being half aware of the enemy AV" and then a state of "Don't care at all". TEAM WORK !!! scrub Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 677	Posted - 2014.02.13 23:30:00 - [53] - Quote i was thinking how vulnerable tankers that tend to fit and cycle hardeners would be if activating one module of the same class (such as armor or shield) activated all of the modules that belong to its class. lets say we have a proto armor hardeners and a mlt armor hardener for demonstration. both fitted onto a tank. the player activates the mlt armor hardener. and the proto armor hardener gets activated automatically at the same time. i dont know how well something like this would work out though. but it would create an actual disadvantage moment in using multiple hardeners. preventing cycling.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4659	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:15:00 - [54] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: I use a proto plasma cannon and have no problem killing tanks. 60mil ISK says you couldn't destroy my tank with a PLC. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2982	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:20:00 - [55] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: CCP LOGIBRO: Game Design has considered this, but weGÇÖre not getting many resources for new code/features so damage over time is not going to happen any time soon. We canGÇÖt see any way to easily improve the Plasma Cannon against vehicles (its intended role) without making it OP against infantry, Game Design will address issues with the Plasma Cannon in the future. see its an av weapon Bull CCP Give it zero splash and take it's direct damage through the roof. Instant fix. It can already one shot almost any dropsuit in the game, so might as well remove splash and focus on raw damage Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 203	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:35:00 - [56] - Quote Tanks are op, it should take 16 swarm launchers to get through the shields on my soma. I demand Ccp replace swarms with confetti so real tankers like myself have a fair chance. If we all riot Ccp will have to fix it. We can fix this game 1 nerf at a time cmon guys! #letssavedust
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 203	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:41:00 - [57] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: CCP LOGIBRO: Game Design has considered this, but weGÇÖre not getting many resources for new code/features so damage over time is not going to happen any time soon. We canGÇÖt see any way to easily improve the Plasma Cannon against vehicles (its intended role) without making it OP against infantry, Game Design will address issues with the Plasma Cannon in the future. see its an av weapon Bull CCP Give it zero splash and take it's direct damage through the roof. Instant fix. It can already one shot almost any dropsuit in the game, so might as well remove splash and focus on raw damage Considering how slow it fires and how long the projectile travel time is it should do more damage than forges.


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