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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1047
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:03:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:
Here's the cold hard truth, if you are not on PFC you do not deserve an answer to ANYTHING, period, get over it. Why do you all care where OUR money goes?
Or are you all just jealous you didn't come up with the idea Kain has put into effect first? I am usually passivebut frankly unless you are on PFC it's none of your fkng business, mind your own...
Sorry in advance for the wall-o-text below, slow Monday 
Interesting position to take really.
Example: As a community member, just because I don't cash in welfare food stamps doesn't mean I am not allowed to be concerned, or inquire about the community welfare program. Understand?
Sometimes the best thing you can do is put the shoe on the other foot and look at it from the rest of the communities perspective.
A lot of folks here in this community have been through countless wars, seen top dogs come and go, imposing their will on the Planetary Conquest landscape from get rich quick schemes of policing PFC and taking/selling districts at upwards of 200million a pop... to top corps relentlessly attacking and taking every district a corporation owns... to mid level corps running a muck on PFC killing the experience of new players. We have pretty much seen it all, until this latest scheme of a "protection racket" which was made public knowledge and which is new for most of us. If you didn't want any feedback or resistance from the public, you all should have done better to keep this information confidential.
We are part of the community, PFC is a community driven idea that a lot of us have supported over the past year. Some of us have previously owned districts on PFC and played by the "rules". Some of us were recently booted off the planet by the latest overlord (isn't the first, wont be the last). Some of us are curious about what is going on, not only for our own knowledge.. perhaps someone asking questions is truly interested in getting involved in PFC. Some may be curious as to how much isk you all are feeding NF, one of, if not the most dominating force to ever play this game. ISK is a huge part of this game, and perhaps will have even more importance in the near future when PC gets back into full swing. The ability to attack with clone packs, hire ringers, and fend off a large assault (or even bribe the attackers to switch sides).
Right now MH is all locked up so nothing is happening... as a hypothetical scenario, this money that is being stockpiled COULD be used for other purposes if/when the time comes. Are you that surprised that so many in the community who have been here since beta can see plain as day that this is a huge risk? I think many would agree that nobody should expect NF to sit back in the shadows when PC goes live again and just be the PFC police. Its a statistical probability that they will want to take the fight to the other big dogs like AE and that will require a good amount of isk to fund. Once that task is completed, what is stopping this latest overlord from moving his sights onto the rest of us.... and whats to stop him from using the money currently being stockpiled to fuel a war? What would be the disadvantage of using this stockpile for his own purposes, to **** off a bunch of indy corps who pose zero threat to him?lol Would his potentially "tarnished" reputation really be that big of a deal, or would it be easily forgotten in a month or two?lol this is new eden afterall.
Those are the concerns of the public in a nutshell. Some folks say Kane is a stand up guy and he would never do that. But if you put the shoe on the other foot, not everyone has had dealings either way with this person so some of us may be skeptical at best. Talking about it and bringing up the risks is part of a discussion, it can be assumed that some of these indy corps feeding the giant grapes daily don't know exactly what the repercussions could be once the giant gets too fat.
TL:DR
We have every right to ask questions on a public forum about a community based program. Be careful when you start lashing out at the rest of the community like this, in many cases their bite is much bigger than your bark. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1050
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:08:00 -
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Thanks for sharing your positive experiences Soraya.
Its posts like these, questions answered, and transparency that will keep the public concerns at bay.
The more you folks say "mind your business" to the rest of the community regarding a community based program, the more negative feedback (lol) you will receive.
Just keep in mind, right now this war game (PC) is unfortunately on pause. Once the start button is pressed, people will feel a certain way about how this whole PFC scheme went down.. and who was on each side. Not a threat, just a reminder that politics and communication (or lack thereof) play a big pat of this game. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1053
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Posted - 2014.02.17 18:52:00 -
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Fun fact:
Insinuating that PFC would require that much policing is a lot more laughable than calling it extortion....a lot more lol'able. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1053
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Posted - 2014.02.17 20:05:00 -
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Snakeson Theairplane wrote:Are you saying PFC doesn't get hit at least 10 times by outside forces monthly? Have you been watching PFC at all???
Sure, ML had two fun training fights against Death Firm and Eternal Beings last week. We are not a PFC landowner, and we also had zero intent on flipping.
Soraya even stated above they can fend off many outside attacks without help.
Who, exactly, is attacking PFC districts with the intent on flipping? How strong are these corps? Do the PFC landowners require a full team of NF to secure their districts, or only a squad or handful of players?
/shrug
Why was subsonic synthesis removed.. because they didn't pay and were to be made an example of, correct? What if NF left them where they were, but unprotected. Provided they didnt break any other rules like district locking or owning outside territory, that would have been great evidence of what happens to a PFC landowner if they don't pay for protection. Your position would have been more solidified with the rest of the community. And assuming they didn't have the protection they would be removed by these hostile corps ready to see PFC burn. Then you all could have said "see what happens if you don't have Kane's protection, buy protection now"
Instead, you all decided to take on the position of the aggressors.. and hence known as a profiteering protection, aka extortion, by a good chunk of the community. This is Politics 101, ya'll shot yourself in the foot now you have a lot of folks looking at you with a raised eyebrow.
If you want these types of inquiries and/or threads to stop ... start being transparent and providing facts instead of asking us to "mind our own business". While everything I type is simply my own thoughts, questions and ideas... as a member of a corp who actively looks for fights with PFC landowners in hopes to help them get better, and fill the need to have good fights, I cant justify the thought that PFC actually works as it is intended. At the very least I hope these inquiries add to the council process and helps make PFC a success.. instead of the failure it has been.
Nobody has answered my question from the other thread either.. how many corps have graduated off of PC and grown to be a successful entity in the rest of PC (before everything was locked down). Still waiting on that one, although I probably know the answer already.
That's all the free advice I can give you for today. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1055
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:38:00 -
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@ Cyrax, I wish you and your crew nothing but success. Glad you had an opportunity to see how the best of the best handle business. Ive only seen it from the other side of the barrel, but it is impressive nonetheless.
My goal with these words was not to create drama, but to discuss some points of view from an outsiders perspective. I don't know what goes on in private discussions within the council and that's the way it should be. If you want to silence the naysayers then share with us.. if not, then don't. The choice is up to you guys :) Nobody has to prove anything to me, I just felt the need to ask some "tough" questions and put them into the air. As long as you young, indy corps are doing what you think is best for yourselves.. then rock and roll with it. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1057
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:49:00 -
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Chill alt-a-potomous.. "how the best of the best handle business" was referring to how NF players dominate on the battlefield.
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