DUST Search - Quick solution for Uplink spam

Cross Atu wrote:

AmlSeb wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

I've been asking this in other threads related to the subject, and will ask again here.

What specifically makes 'uplink spam' a problem in your eyes? What are the implications of it that have a negative effect on game play and what would the battlefield look like in your ideal vision?

More constructive feedback can be given, as well as more meaningful responses to your OP, when the relevant context of answers to the above has been provided.

Cheers,
Cross

Too much Equipment 1) gets the server laggy
2) prevents a view from the tactical map. Seriously, if you can-¦t see the enemy anymore because there are uplinks evrywhere there must be something wrong.

Thank you for the reply and the specifics Smile

I will move forward by addressing each one.

1) Equipment does nothing to lag the server this is a common misconception. What it is causing is an issue with the ram/virtual memory within the client/PS3 itself. The issue being a user side performance problem can be addressed in a couple of ways. First the user (us) can upgrade the hardware, an SSD hard drive will completely solve the lag issues related to deployed equipment (at least neither I nor any of the players I've spoken with have had lag related to deployed equipment once we installed an SSD). That solution however is not ideal since it requires players to spend money above and beyond the game and console. The second, and I think better, solution is for CCP to rework the glow and sound effects that seem to be at the hart of the lag issue. Fields of proxy mines for example don't seem to cause lag even among players with a stock PS3 so clearly deployed equipment isn't innately a problem, we just need a rework of the elements that cause uplinks and hives to create lag on some consoles.

2) The mini map needs improvements. The recent(ish) addition of zoom has helped but it's not a full solution. The mini map still lacks cardinal directions, elevation listing, distance notations, it fails to color code squad vs team equipment (and sometimes vehicles), it lacks the ability to assign any custom colors for tactical use, and the list goes on. I agree with you that the current effect mass equipment deployment has on the mini map is undesirable, however I think the optimal fix is an overall improvement to the mini map rather than a reduction in the usability of equipment.

Thank you again for your reply, I want to reiterate that I agree both the issues you've listed should indeed be addressed, however I believe they both deserve their own fixes directly to the problem rather than a blanket approach which would also reduce the tactical value of equipment.

Cheers,
Cross


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AmlSeb The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 28	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:26:00 - [1] - Quote The first uplink creates a spawn area that-¦s 10 meter in diameter with the uplink in the centre. players who choose this will spawn a few hundred meters above this area and drop in-> solution for uplink camping as well Every other uplink that is placed within 10 to that first one thereafter will give its energy for its spawns to the first one and thus keep that spawn point alive for a longer time. The uplink itself dissipates then The spawn time modificator is always the largest one of the uplinks in the area. Example: One uplink has -50% spawn time modificator and 20 spawns and all other have -0% so the spawn point will have a -50% spawn time modificator until the 20 spawns are used. After that the modificator is -0% Everybody earns the WP for his uplink. Example: One uplink has 20 spawns so whoever puts it there gets his wp for the next 20 spawns. Cheers, Aml
AmlSeb The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 28	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:41:00 - [2] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: From a programming standpoint that is not a simple solution. This is a networked many client to one server system. A simple programming solution is to reduce the resource requirement of the uplinks and other equipment. The many sound sources, the animated overlay for each item could be dramatically reduced and one might hope that it would reduce the load on the system. I doubt it personally as recently I have experienced several problems normally associated with equipment spam while there was no equipment being spammed. Which indicates a more fundamental problem versus overeager Mercs desperate to get WP to increase they SP payout. Programming might indeed be hard but for the server it-¦d be ways easier. it has to handle one Spawnpoint and every other deployed uplink would be nothing more than some parameters that are being changed. it could be done for Nano Hives as well.
AmlSeb The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 28	Posted - 2014.02.13 06:37:00 - [3] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: I've been asking this in other threads related to the subject, and will ask again here. What specifically makes 'uplink spam' a problem in your eyes? What are the implications of it that have a negative effect on game play and what would the battlefield look like in your ideal vision? More constructive feedback can be given, as well as more meaningful responses to your OP, when the relevant context of answers to the above has been provided. Cheers, Cross Too much Equipment 1) gets the server laggy 2) prevents a view from the tactical map. Seriously, if you can-¦t see the enemy anymore because there are uplinks evrywhere there must be something wrong.
AmlSeb The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 30	Posted - 2014.02.13 07:55:00 - [4] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: AmlSeb wrote: Cross Atu wrote: I've been asking this in other threads related to the subject, and will ask again here. What specifically makes 'uplink spam' a problem in your eyes? What are the implications of it that have a negative effect on game play and what would the battlefield look like in your ideal vision? More constructive feedback can be given, as well as more meaningful responses to your OP, when the relevant context of answers to the above has been provided. Cheers, Cross Too much Equipment 1) gets the server laggy 2) prevents a view from the tactical map. Seriously, if you can-¦t see the enemy anymore because there are uplinks evrywhere there must be something wrong. Thank you for the reply and the specifics I will move forward by addressing each one. 1) Equipment does nothing to lag the server this is a common misconception. What it is causing is an issue with the ram/virtual memory within the client/PS3 itself. The issue being a user side performance problem can be addressed in a couple of ways. First the user (us) can upgrade the hardware, an SSD hard drive will completely solve the lag issues related to deployed equipment (at least neither I nor any of the players I've spoken with have had lag related to deployed equipment once we installed an SSD). That solution however is not ideal since it requires players to spend money above and beyond the game and console. The second, and I think better, solution is for CCP to rework the glow and sound effects that seem to be at the hart of the lag issue. Fields of proxy mines for example don't seem to cause lag even among players with a stock PS3 so clearly deployed equipment isn't innately a problem, we just need a rework of the elements that cause uplinks and hives to create lag on some consoles. 2) The mini map needs improvements. The recent(ish) addition of zoom has helped but it's not a full solution. The mini map still lacks cardinal directions, elevation listing, distance notations, it fails to color code squad vs team equipment (and sometimes vehicles), it lacks the ability to assign any custom colors for tactical use, and the list goes on. I agree with you that the current effect mass equipment deployment has on the mini map is undesirable, however I think the optimal fix is an overall improvement to the mini map rather than a reduction in the usability of equipment. Thank you again for your reply, I want to reiterate that I agree both the issues you've listed should indeed be addressed, however I believe they both deserve their own fixes directly to the problem rather than a blanket approach which would also reduce the tactical value of equipment. Cheers, Cross Yeah, I know. i just woke up and no coffee yet so sham on me for that mistake. But honestly: My idea would turn like 20 processes the PS3 has to handle into one process with variable parameters. It would solve a lot. Remotes don-¦t have the problem I think because there are less processes ongoing. Uplinks and Hives are used over time, while the remotes only need processing while deploying and upon detonation/destruction