DUST Search - [Weapon Idea] Gallente Neutron Rifle

Mahal Daj wrote:

Love the model, but I feel the proposed stats are very similar to the forge gun in many ways (I know it's only for discussion).

I currently carry a Tactical Sniper Rifle on a Gal Scout (5) and it's great for a lot of stuff, but I would love to have a more racially specific and relevant weapon to fill this role. I understand Gallente perks to be: close-range damage, high-grade stealth, and sacrifice mobility if you want survivability.

As such, I would like to see a weapon modelled like the one you have created fill the Gallente Sniper Rifle role. I would like it to behave like this: very high RoF (500+), high damage decay over distance (optimal around 90m, falloff around 300m), 5-round clip, 30ish max ammo, 200 damage per shot, LONG reload (heavy weapon grade). plus, I think this would like awesome based on the model you have proposed.

The idea behind this build is to have an assault capable weapon in the hands of someone like a scout, but to essentially hurt the long range capability somewhat. The balancing act of the weapon is two-fold: at close range (80m), the transversal velocity of the target would make it difficult to hit with all 5 shots, figure 2 shots-on-target (2*1.0*200 = 400 dmg), while at long ranges (200m), you would be able to do damage comparable to a Tactical Sniper Rifle after you factor in 4-5 shots-on-target at 40%-50% (4*0.45*200 = 360 dmg/635 dmg for headshots). I think this would make a balanced and fun weapon, very appropriate to gallente playstyles, with well-defined niches, and the gallente's eve-side accepted 'super-attack' of high-dps on stationary targets.

This would be a counter to heavy-suits and rail rifles, while maintaining the superiority of the Caldari Sniper Rifle in damage-over-range.


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Shiruba Ryou 210	Posted - 2014.02.12 02:51:00 - [1] - Quote https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_SrB_ep3QkMN3gzZ2F6dGw3NTQ/edit?usp=sharing Hoping CCP at least gives it a look see ^^ "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 211	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:02:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Shiruba Ryou wrote: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_SrB_ep3QkMN3gzZ2F6dGw3NTQ/edit?usp=sharing Hoping CCP at least gives it a look see ^^ Effective range could be a little better, honestly. Laser Rifle is a pain in the ass because of this. Enemy can back-pedal out of the maximum range and suddenly you're not doing damage. It's an interesting take on a skill shot weapon but I think the Gallente's armament has too many skill shot weapons. Looks good either way. I think its cool that we're a high skill race atm xD Thanks for post. I just tried to give a picture for the weapon in ordder to present a full idea. If CCP likes it I'm sure they can do better with it ^^ "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 215	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:24:00 - [3] - Quote Keep coming with your opinions guys it's good to read them. Keep in mind that I made a niche weapon for Gallente. Other races may do it better it their own way but I wanted to create what I'd see as the Gallente answer to filling a marksmen role. None of what I put in the report is something I believe should be set in stone. My goal was to give a picture for the weapon to give CCP an idea that they might like and run with. Keep giving me feedback though. Good, bad, indifferent, it's all worth hearing ^^ "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 229	Posted - 2014.02.13 05:21:00 - [4] - Quote BUMP xP "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 247	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:17:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I've sent the weapon model and this doc to the relevant Devs :) You just made my day Saber xD "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 259	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:14:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Good concept art for the gun: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131116015744/halo/images/0/01/H4_beamrifle_trans.png oooooo~ Baaaaaaaaabeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh~ "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 259	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:54:00 - [7] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I don't use gallente weapons that much, but i know i would skill this to 3 right away. Would this gun be intended to 'one shot kill' people or should you take multiple shots/reload to kill one? Should it kill a sentinel being repped in ANY number of shots? What if the shot hits a face, but well before the end of the 'burn' time? Does it wrap around his head and hit others around him, or stop there doing full damage? Would you be aiming specifically not to 'hit' anyone as you would rather slide the shot past 3-4 guys? The idea was that it'd be a frontline enigma. Hard enough base hitting power to take out or severely cripple the average Soldier (Assault suit moderate tank), and debilitate heavies. It's better to think about a weapon in terms of it's desired roll rather than just numbers on a page. It makes building it much easier. We wanted this to be a hole puncher. Punching holes in the ranks of the opposition's point and opening up breach opportunities. The customization in DUST is amazing, but when filling out each races weapon roster I feel it's important to think in terms of that race's armies. The factions are not using the enemies weaponry (except you Mini's). So what would that army need from a rifle? Gallente desperately want to get into the enemies face. Quickly dipping between open areas and cover (mini) or trying to find the angle (Caldari) is not them. They punch through, committed, hard, and fast. I wanted this rifle to be their entry tool. Getting the enemy out of the entry paths so the Gallente squads can rush in and do what they do best. I'm imagining this soldier running with a scout, 2 Assaults, and Heavy and a Logi in a Ravager Squad (just one of the attack tactics I've written up for personal use). The enemy is hold up at an objective, firing at you from afar with long range weaponry. The only real choice the have is to close the gap. The squad chooses a desired route and the Neutron RIfler goes to work. His job is to get the enemy hurting or not in a position to stop their committed approach. Quickly choosing the most dangerous target, aiming, firing (is was a glass cannon commando with a rail rifle. With your damage modifications and close range even the hurried body shot takes him out) and moving on. Reload moving with the squad making sure to ignore the targets your breaking contact with. Another enemy trying to stop the squads approach, aim, fire (this time a Bricked out Logi. Didn't kill him but he's hurting and wont chance rushing in on your squad which is still on the move. Squad has reached the point. Time for them to go to work. You set up just on the outskirts of the point. Not maybe 60 meters from the hack point. Your scout rounds a bin and you spot Sentinal with forge gun rounding on him. A quicck shot makes him an easy finish for the scouts fast firing shotgun which gets the round off before the heavies HMG can get up to speed. Your logi+Heavy combo is breaching a hallway. You run over and quickly aim down the path ways, skillfully placing a round in a leaping scouts torso as it rushed through the air at your heavy with knives. 2 move shots in the gaps around your heavy down the hallway weaken too more targets then the pair quickly take out. Leaving them to it you round the next area where your Assaults have flanked another entry point and are harassing a 2 heavies with the earlier bricked Logi. he Logi is sitting in 2 Allotek Hives while one heavy has an HMG and the other a Rail Rifle. You focus the Heavy RR and cause him to retreat back with the logi. You didn't kill him but you've giving yout Assaults room to rep and re-position. On more shot takes the Heavy to 10-20% Armor which then depletes the Logis rep hives. You re-position to your Assaults the supply cover fire during your reload. Your added safetly time allows you to line up a headshot on the logi. You don't have an exceptional headshot bonus but it's a bonus non the less on your high base damage. It takes him out. You reload and locate the Heavy RR just in time to see your Scout come from behind him and dispatch it and the other heavy. The 2 assualts rush in and make rounds of the complex dispatching the odd spawn in and securing the area while the heavy covers the scout during the hack and the Logi takes the time to set up resupply and triage points taking time to scan and confirm the base is taken. I like imagining scenarios. Anyway my point is that when I'm writing out weapons I don't think about how they work compared to another race. I think about how they work in conjunction to the race and their playstyle and current weapons. Personally I think the Neutron Rifle could be a welcomed addition to the Gallentean Arsenal after fine tuning and reworks by the professionals ^^ "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 261	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote Mahal Daj wrote: Love the model, but I feel the proposed stats are very similar to the forge gun in many ways (I know it's only for discussion). I currently carry a Tactical Sniper Rifle on a Gal Scout (5) and it's great for a lot of stuff, but I would love to have a more racially specific and relevant weapon to fill this role. I understand Gallente perks to be: close-range damage, high-grade stealth, and sacrifice mobility if you want survivability. As such, I would like to see a weapon modelled like the one you have created fill the Gallente Sniper Rifle role. I would like it to behave like this: very high RoF (500+), high damage decay over distance (optimal around 90m, falloff around 300m), 5-round clip, 30ish max ammo, 200 damage per shot, LONG reload (heavy weapon grade). plus, I think this would like awesome based on the model you have proposed. The idea behind this build is to have an assault capable weapon in the hands of someone like a scout, but to essentially hurt the long range capability somewhat. The balancing act of the weapon is two-fold: at close range (80m), the transversal velocity of the target would make it difficult to hit with all 5 shots, figure 2 shots-on-target (21.0200 = 400 dmg), while at long ranges (200m), you would be able to do damage comparable to a Tactical Sniper Rifle after you factor in 4-5 shots-on-target at 40%-50% (40.45200 = 360 dmg/635 dmg for headshots). I think this would make a balanced and fun weapon, very appropriate to gallente playstyles, with well-defined niches, and the gallente's eve-side accepted 'super-attack' of high-dps on stationary targets. This would be a counter to heavy-suits and rail rifles, while maintaining the superiority of the Caldari Sniper Rifle in damage-over-range. Interesting specs. But I have to say no to your ranges. Specifically falloff. Plasma has a crap falloff. That's a weapon ammunition trait. Not negotiable. Your Falloff ratio would make even the Mimnitar wonder how that bullet went so far. Always open to discussion and I hope everyone keeps giving their own vision and feedback. But try to stay with the features guys. Plasma: - High damage - Short optimal - Short falloff - High Rate of fire (in EVE this is to support it's place as the highest DPS weapon option. The Plasma Cannon is testimonial to the fact that the Gallente don't sport high RoF as part of their Mantra of Warfare and rather a means to an end.) - (In EVE though certain turrets, i.e the Neutron Class, does sport a slower fire rate and longer range [in comparison to it's other turrets]) "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 263	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:59:00 - [9] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: What about several Hybrid weapons, Electron, Ion, and Neutron, following a similar pattern to EVE's Blasters? It is a venue for CCP to continue adding more and more weapons into the game. Not just for Plasma hybrib but all turrets usually have 2-3 sizes/variations. Definitely something we could see farther down the line. In other news. I FINALLY GRABBED A PS4 OUT FROM UNDER THE NOSE OF THE ONLINE SHOPPING HOUNDS OF THE INTERNET MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA. MY WAITING IS OVAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! BTW Amazon has stock still. Not sure how but they must have put up more than usual. "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Shiruba Ryou 265	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:00:00 - [10] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Hey man, I used your basic document template to post my own idea for a new weapon, hope you don't mind. I'm pretty proud of it, if you wanna take a look. You post with out link... WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!! And does it include Plasma? If not I have to be honest. I'm pretty biased xP "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`