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SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2014.02.12 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Kain Spero wrote: It seems that the community support for PFC and the council is strong. Spero Escrow Services has received 800 million ISK to hold in escrow to cover the maintenance fees for 1 month of PFC operation to ensure that all members on Oddelulf III that have been an active part of PFC will have a chance to join the council and help set the rules. 400 million ISK was generously donated by Castor Crave and an additional 400 million was donated by a member of the community know to Spero Escrow Services that would like to remain anonymous. This seed fund will be used to maintain the Negative-Feedback contract with the PFC council and any associated expenses for the enforcement of council rulings and maintaining of the planet. Negative-Feedback would like to deeply thank these benefactors. Through their support there is even more assurance of the continuance of PFC and a that the PFC council will have what it needs to stand fast. Nice, right on que. A "donation" that PROVES the people want this extortion. lol..If anyone buys this I have some ocean side property in Tennessee to sale as well. The meta continues. I guess this means my land-owner is extorting me. How dare he charge me rent for something someone else whose rich can give me for free...
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2014.02.12 06:32:00 - [2] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Wait, Anon gave you money? I mean sure, it's about time he gave to the poor and needy, but you kain are neither. He should've given it to the Orphanage for abandoned militia dropsuits. Anonymous - as in not revealing identity - not the player Anon Illuminate.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:08:00 - [3] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Wait, Anon gave you money? I mean sure, it's about time he gave to the poor and needy, but you kain are neither. He should've given it to the Orphanage for abandoned militia dropsuits. Anonymous - as in not revealing identity - not the player Anon Illuminate. EDIT: And if you knew how to read - the money isn't for Kane. Sucky sucky for Kane. You are sweet on him it seems. Hi - It's SoTa. If you hadn't noticed - I know how to read. It gives me this strange ability to comprehend what people are telling me and break it down logically. I know, i know, why go through all the work when you can smash your head on a keyboard like you do? Seems to be how you play PC as well - but that's a topic we'll get too when you still haven't learned to shut up on the forums. Still love you though <3 KEQ lost out losing you.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:41:00 - [4] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: Kain Spero wrote: It seems that the community support for PFC and the council is strong. Spero Escrow Services has received 800 million ISK to hold in escrow to cover the maintenance fees for 1 month of PFC operation to ensure that all members on Oddelulf III that have been an active part of PFC will have a chance to join the council and help set the rules. 400 million ISK was generously donated by Castor Crave and an additional 400 million was donated by a member of the community know to Spero Escrow Services that would like to remain anonymous. This seed fund will be used to maintain the Negative-Feedback contract with the PFC council and any associated expenses for the enforcement of council rulings and maintaining of the planet. Negative-Feedback would like to deeply thank these benefactors. Through their support there is even more assurance of the continuance of PFC and a that the PFC council will have what it needs to stand fast. TAX CREDIT AN GOVERMANET BAILOUT ALREADY!!! WTF I can see where this is going... ALL HAIL DEMOCRACY! ps i like leaving PFC alonme.. let the small corps fight over it. no one should govern it. let them handle like adults. an we all show some self control an leave it be .... Are you kidding? Even when groups 'dedicate' there time to police PFC it's been constantly abused for nearly a year. They had there chance to fix PFC themselves - they'd rather farm it and cry about it.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:53:00 - [5] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: Quickgloves wrote: Kain Spero wrote: It seems that the community support for PFC and the council is strong. Spero Escrow Services has received 800 million ISK to hold in escrow to cover the maintenance fees for 1 month of PFC operation to ensure that all members on Oddelulf III that have been an active part of PFC will have a chance to join the council and help set the rules. 400 million ISK was generously donated by Castor Crave and an additional 400 million was donated by a member of the community know to Spero Escrow Services that would like to remain anonymous. This seed fund will be used to maintain the Negative-Feedback contract with the PFC council and any associated expenses for the enforcement of council rulings and maintaining of the planet. Negative-Feedback would like to deeply thank these benefactors. Through their support there is even more assurance of the continuance of PFC and a that the PFC council will have what it needs to stand fast. TAX CREDIT AN GOVERMANET BAILOUT ALREADY!!! WTF I can see where this is going... ALL HAIL DEMOCRACY! ps i like leaving PFC alonme.. let the small corps fight over it. no one should govern it. let them handle like adults. an we all show some self control an leave it be .... Are you kidding? Even when groups 'dedicate' there time to police PFC it's been constantly abused for nearly a year. They had there chance to fix PFC themselves - they'd rather farm it and cry about it. I think you missed my sarcasm when you came barging into the room. Sarcasm? Online? I think you forget where you are. That comment doesn't have even a hint of sarcasm when I read it. You'll need to add certain adjectives and rolled-eye faces if you want to sell home the sarcasm.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:36:00 - [6] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: dangnabbit..all these rules I thought my eye popping emoticon was the right choice.. That's it I quit You're getting there! Just hang on a bit more - your grammar improved majorly since the Closed Beta Tournament.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:25:00 - [7] - Quote CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Kain Spero wrote: The Black Art wrote: Where do I sign up to receive such donations? FA has already received part of it filling out two PFC contracts successfully. Those ringing in defense of PFC or to enforce PFC council through the NF PFC contract will be compensated from the PFC fund. You did not defend PFC. You blatantly stole a district from a RofL member because they refused to pay your extortion fee. Simple fact and simple truth. Kain.. what was the reasoning behind removing Sub Syn? Since you are making everything crystal clear and publicly known... I don't think you would have a difficult time answering this question. There was a contractor for the district, that's pretty much it. Lots of corps want on PFC for a long time now - and NF always denied PFC contracts as it would interfere in DDB's or AE's "PFC" policing. But since that's over and corps are behaving irrationally and offensively - we've taken back our policy of denying PFC contracts. If you aren't paying security then YOU GET NO SECURITY. NF will now accept contracts flipping PFC districts against corps not aligned with the PFC council. Sorry if this upsets a few - maybe they could hire AE to defend them? I'm sure their normal merc fees are... a lot higher then PFCC's rental fee Lol Maybe they'll get lucky and they'll ring for free? <3 But that's pretty much bottom line. We aren't gunning for the little guys - but lots of people are willing to pay us to do so. We do deny a lot of these types of contracts still in favor of AE matches, but such is life.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:33:00 - [8] - Quote idk - your argument would stand if the attack wasn't launched before the donation - which I believe it was, so they weren't apart of the donation as they were already being removed.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:08:00 - [9] - Quote CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: So other than not paying for the protection plan.. what did they do wrong to get removed from PFC? Locking districts? Launching attacks from PFC into the rest of MH? Not fighting or "farming?" This leads me to the 2nd part.... NF contracted out FA to do the removal. Will this be the model moving forward? "pay the fee or we will pay a merc corp to remove you (With the $ that the other district leaders have paid for protection)?" Because as much as they have claimed this isn't extortion... that is by definition EXTORTION. Excuse me, idiot, do you know how to read? No, don't bother, I already know. It's "Barely" Quote: Lots of corps want on PFC for a long time now - and NF always denied PFC contracts as it would interfere in DDB's or AE's "PFC" policing. But since that's over and corps are behaving irrationally and offensively - we've taken back our policy of denying PFC contracts. If you aren't paying security then YOU GET NO SECURITY. NF will now accept contracts flipping PFC districts against corps not aligned with the PFC council. as for the second part: PFC is a business model in general, governed by PFC Council - NOT NF. We're the back-bone, and loudest, because we're the only group pushing this forward. But we won't always be around in this game - the system exists so another corp can be hired by PFCC to do what we're doing. So take the FA vs PFC game for instance - PFC Council basically hired them - not NF.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:27:00 - [10] - Quote CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: So other than not paying for the protection plan.. what did they do wrong to get removed from PFC? Locking districts? Launching attacks from PFC into the rest of MH? Not fighting or "farming?" This leads me to the 2nd part.... NF contracted out FA to do the removal. Will this be the model moving forward? "pay the fee or we will pay a merc corp to remove you (With the $ that the other district leaders have paid for protection)?" Because as much as they have claimed this isn't extortion... that is by definition EXTORTION. Excuse me, do you know how to read? No, don't bother, I already know. It's "Barely" Quote: Lots of corps want on PFC for a long time now - and NF always denied PFC contracts as it would interfere in DDB's or AE's "PFC" policing. But since that's over and corps are behaving irrationally and offensively - we've taken back our policy of denying PFC contracts. If you aren't paying security then YOU GET NO SECURITY. NF will now accept contracts flipping PFC districts against corps not aligned with the PFC council. as for the second part: PFC is a business model in general, governed by PFC Council - NOT NF. We're the back-bone, and loudest, because we're the only group pushing this forward. But we won't always be around in this game - the system exists so another corp can be hired by PFCC to do what we're doing. So take the FA vs PFC game for instance - PFC Council basically hired them - not NF. Understood... PFC council deemed SS not worth of a PFC district... my questions has been answered... after all the hot air being blown around. It was a simple question with a simple answer that was finally given after several posts. Sorry for all the "drama." Drama is what the War Room is all about - gotta entertain the masses - CCP sure as hell won't. Lol

SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:36:00 - [11] - Quote CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: So other than not paying for the protection plan.. what did they do wrong to get removed from PFC? Locking districts? Launching attacks from PFC into the rest of MH? Not fighting or "farming?" This leads me to the 2nd part.... NF contracted out FA to do the removal. Will this be the model moving forward? "pay the fee or we will pay a merc corp to remove you (With the $ that the other district leaders have paid for protection)?" Because as much as they have claimed this isn't extortion... that is by definition EXTORTION. from the desk of Cubs: FA was contracted due to NF already being booked at the time, thus subcontracted the contract. Simple business. Call it Extortion, call it a scam, call it Secret Santa, no one gives a flying F@#k. simple fact is just that.. this is how it is now and squatters, **** talkers and people I plain just don't like are gone. deal with it. everyone else, get with the council and have a voice. decide who is coming on board, decide timeframe for residence, decide that people are in fact allowed to stay on PFC. arguments for this in public are currently closed. the council is determining the course of action they wish to take, and NF is sitting here ready to throw darts... lets see what happens first Sorry for the heavy dose of REALITY, but this is how it is everywhere else. Take your silver spoon to the pawn shop and trade it in for a shovel and some boots ---------------------------------------end transmission------------------------------------------- I don't really have to deal with it... I am not a part of PFC other than getting paid to be the ones flipping the districts apparently. I am just against a corp that is using their PFC district as intended being booted off because they don't pay the fees... but if that is the new way that PFC is being run... they will either have to roll with the punches or find out a new way to train their guys. I have been a supporter of PFC since I first learned of its existence. I know my opinions and thoughts mean 2shits to everyone as I am just a peon in this game. Just looking for answers to a few simple questions. Not trying to start a bunch of crap. I lik your views on PFC - we all had them at one point. But realistically PFC is a disaster upon itself. If one corp abuses rampantly then all corps can - so it has to be stomped. It's sad PFC can't continue to be a charity drive - but besides TP - every corp giving 'charity' police on PFC has been biased or barely did what they said they'd set out to do when they laid in new rules. So to all those crying about PFC - DO SOMETHING YOURSELF OR SHUT THE FLYING FYCK UP. :)
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:04:00 - [12] - Quote xMaggot Brainx wrote: Every dog has its day. Let us see how long the PFC land owners like this new council BS / extortion when they never get to play because NF/FA are always defending it for them. Either a whole lot more private donations better start coming in or FA might need to lower their Ringing charges because 800 million isk isn't going to last long. Oh, 800mil isn't going to last?! But, how?! Isn't the main problem everyone has with PFC is that NF is just trying to get rich off of it - but 800mil won't last?! Haaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I love how this community contradicts itself just to troll. Feed me more BS plz. Oh, and, the logic of, "If NF is defending your district then you'll never get to play" is the worst argument yet. We only defend from corps looking to flip there district and are on the verge of doing so - we come in last game, make sure it doesn't happen. Or if it does happen - we spend this ISK to make sure the group gets it back - and we'll continue to hit that district until it happens. Let's see how many more tears you anti-pfc scrubs can come up with. I don't even care about the subject anymore - I'm here to farm stupidity.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:16:00 - [13] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: CR4SH OVERRIDE wrote: So other than not paying for the protection plan.. what did they do wrong to get removed from PFC? Locking districts? Launching attacks from PFC into the rest of MH? Not fighting or "farming?" This leads me to the 2nd part.... NF contracted out FA to do the removal. Will this be the model moving forward? "pay the fee or we will pay a merc corp to remove you (With the $ that the other district leaders have paid for protection)?" Because as much as they have claimed this isn't extortion... that is by definition EXTORTION. from the desk of Cubs: FA was contracted due to NF already being booked at the time, thus subcontracted the contract. Simple business. Call it Extortion, call it a scam, call it Secret Santa, no one gives a flying F@#k. simple fact is just that.. this is how it is now and squatters, **** talkers and people I plain just don't like are gone. deal with it. everyone else, get with the council and have a voice. decide who is coming on board, decide timeframe for residence, decide that people are in fact allowed to stay on PFC. arguments for this in public are currently closed. the council is determining the course of action they wish to take, and NF is sitting here ready to throw darts... lets see what happens first Sorry for the heavy dose of REALITY, but this is how it is everywhere else. Take your silver spoon to the pawn shop and trade it in for a shovel and some boots ---------------------------------------end transmission------------------------------------------- funny, I don't think you determine what is closed or what is open here. You may not participate in the conversations about it, but it will remain open. I doubt you can ignore what will be said, your feminine said outweighs your mail said by plenty. Conversation closed doesn't necessarily mean no 'talks' of subject can happen - just that any words on the subject are futile and will change nothing. #TheMoreYouKnow
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:42:00 - [14] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Well on behalf of Forsaken Immortals I would like to thank Castor and the anonymous donor this is a very generous gesture and hopefully will allow the more hesitant to focus on how PFC is being run and not on the ISK. There was no donation dude. This is more Kane "meta". If you believe that someone donated 800 million to defend PFc you have issues kid. I just realized you're calling Kane a liar. Takes some balls to call someone out in public on lying - got any proof? Wait - don't bother answering - I already know. You don't. It's just sooooooo obvious he's lying, right? LOL
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.02.13 07:51:00 - [15] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Well on behalf of Forsaken Immortals I would like to thank Castor and the anonymous donor this is a very generous gesture and hopefully will allow the more hesitant to focus on how PFC is being run and not on the ISK. There was no donation dude. This is more Kane "meta". If you believe that someone donated 800 million to defend PFc you have issues kid. I just realized you're calling Kane a liar. Takes some balls to call someone out in public on lying - got any proof? Wait - don't bother answering - I already know. You don't. It's just sooooooo obvious he's lying, right? LOL Point blank calling him a liar and anyone else involved with it. What took you so long to figure this out? Proof? lol....silly kid.. I don't know why you're being irrational - The guy who donated even posted here - and the fees will be used to cover a months rent for all PFCC corps, so someone who isn't them IS paying. So what ******* logic are you working with to say this is a lie? "It's intuition BRAH" Lol.......
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2014.02.13 08:11:00 - [16] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Oh, well since the guy who was reported as making the donation came here and said he did it, it must be true. This is the internet and all... By your own logic we now can't believe you're trying to fix anything and are probably just trying to prevent a corp who continues to flip AE districts from gaining any more source of revenue.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote xMaggot Brainx wrote: Problems is Locked districts once again. Now that all these big name corps have billions in ISK from locking districts they can hire ringers for the next decade with no problem. Now the PFC Puppets are going to give Kane 1 billion ISK a month for protection. Wake up people the intention is to make ISK not some fantasy of helping smaller corps practice PC. Why didn't Kane just ask for "X" amount of money to reclaim a district if it was illegally taken? Why? Because he would rather take advantage of the weak minded people and get them to buy into this fantasy of protection. He is a CPM which is a joke. Everyone knows CCP has an issue with the Locked District situation so where do Kane and Cubs and all the PC ringers go for action and ISK farming? They go to PFC where the rule is not to lock districts. Now they get to play PC , get hired to ring etc... I call on any corps not involved in this extortion to rise up attack PFC from your districts. Do no shows if you want. That would be a lot of fun for these PFC puppets LOL. everyday show up to an empty battle.. or if you have the means to claim land do that as well. I end with one question for those currently on the sidelines and those involved... How powerful do you really want Kane Spero to be? Please explain to me how someone who gains nothing gains something? I think people are confused about Kane's involvement. He's not getting a DIME out of this - the mercs in NF are who are getting paid to show up - not him. Far as what he does - it's all indeed charity work. All he gets out of this deal is his name out there and the tears you idiots come up with to attack him. If PFCC wanted to turn on him and work with someone else in the end - they could, and he'd be fucked. He's taking the risk for the sake the community - You want a system where NF only comes in and asks for payment for each match? Fine - out-line how you think it would work - then explain how it would be cheaper. Because we have - it's not cheaper. You would pay more for less without the rental system, as you would indeed just be hiring mercs at a flat rate. 8.75 multiplied by x equals y. Where x is amount of weeks. Now - how many weeks would it take for 8.75mil to make 50mil? You would be getting over a month of protection for the price of a single battle. But if everyone chips in for protection - then the over-all costs per corp is drastically lowered.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:36:00 - [18] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: xMaggot Brainx wrote: Problems is Locked districts once again. Now that all these big name corps have billions in ISK from locking districts they can hire ringers for the next decade with no problem. Now the PFC Puppets are going to give Kane 1 billion ISK a month for protection. Wake up people the intention is to make ISK not some fantasy of helping smaller corps practice PC. Why didn't Kane just ask for "X" amount of money to reclaim a district if it was illegally taken? Why? Because he would rather take advantage of the weak minded people and get them to buy into this fantasy of protection. He is a CPM which is a joke. Everyone knows CCP has an issue with the Locked District situation so where do Kane and Cubs and all the PC ringers go for action and ISK farming? They go to PFC where the rule is not to lock districts. Now they get to play PC , get hired to ring etc... I call on any corps not involved in this extortion to rise up attack PFC from your districts. Do no shows if you want. That would be a lot of fun for these PFC puppets LOL. everyday show up to an empty battle.. or if you have the means to claim land do that as well. I end with one question for those currently on the sidelines and those involved... How powerful do you really want Kane Spero to be? Please explain to me how someone who gains nothing gains something? I think people are confused about Kane's involvement. He's not getting a DIME out of this - the mercs in NF are who are getting paid to show up - not him. Far as what he does - it's all indeed charity work. All he gets out of this deal is his name out there and the tears you idiots come up with to attack him. If PFCC wanted to turn on him and work with someone else in the end - they could, and he'd be fucked. He's taking the risk for the sake the community - You want a system where NF only comes in and asks for payment for each match? Fine - out-line how you think it would work - then explain how it would be cheaper. Because we have - it's not cheaper. You would pay more for less without the rental system, as you would indeed just be hiring mercs at a flat rate. 8.75 multiplied by x equals y. Where x is amount of weeks. Now - how many weeks would it take for 8.75mil to make 50mil? You would be getting over a month of protection for the price of a single battle. But if everyone chips in for protection - then the over-all costs per corp is drastically lowered. Do you really believe the part I underlined/bold/italicized for you? Do you really believe that? Think about it long and hard before answering. Seeing as I'm directly involved in everything going on with PFC - yes, yes I am sure. How sure are you being an outside guy looking in from a very far distance? "I'M SURE CAUSE I CAN BE AND IT MAKES EVERYTHING I SAY SEEM MORE PLAUSIBLE" Yea, that's all you can say, that's all you've ever been able to say. "I think." To speak with absolute certainty while not being involved in any way shape or form on the debatable issues is absurd and makes you look like a flaming fucking idiot. I'm not going to play nice with you anymore bigole - stop posting dumb shyt. Say something creative at least if you're going to keep up this AE blow job.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:50:00 - [19] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: I suck off AE for PC games That's basically all your really saying. Leave the talk to players who can actually play the game, mmmkay?
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:14:00 - [20] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: bigolenuts wrote: I suck off AE for PC games That's basically all your really saying. Leave the talk to players who can actually play the game, mmmkay? Cute, you can't even make a gentlemens agreement without taking a stab. lol You are cute when you are angry. Does Kane put flavors on his d!ck for you to suck or do you just suck it au'natural? I am curious I already tried - you ignore everything that's said and replace it with your own biased logic. No point anymore - it's easier to just troll you and farm likes. Now, tell us more how you stroke AE while they tell you all about why PFC is broken, and why they did nothing themselves when they took over to fix it. And who calls someone a liar without any proof then cries for people to respond gentlemanly to them? Wtf kind of white world did you grow up in? Must of been pretty nice - did mommy and daddy buy you everything too? Because where I'm from - calling someone a liar without any proof just makes you look like a bitch.