DUST Search - My Final Message To The AV Community.(Maybe)

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

Ken soloed 2 tanks last night in PC, and he's a tanker if it were not for the convenient uplink in the mountains he would have used a rail but with just STD AV nades and an IAFG he killed both tanks. learn to AV.

And I also managed to survive 2 Swarms and a Forge Gun beating down on me the entire match numerous times before 1.7.

You clearly sucked at tanking.

You've clearly never been on the other side of ChicagoCubs Forge Gun sure I could tank 2 militia swarms and a militia FG. I remember talking to Ken a while back and he told me you didn't know what hardeners were so I hardly doubt you knew the best fit which differed slightly based on play style. Here's a vid from a different perspective in a semi-competitive setting it should be skipped to the end (2 TK's prevented me from being #1) http://youtu.be/MJ2FFe4e-1c You can watch the kill feed if you want but I assure you I was in a tank.

They were clearly not very good swarms because the best fit could take max 6 swarms the 7th dealing the fatal blow and it could take idealy 7-9 IAFG shots but it only took 4 shots to get past the base armor w/ 2 carapace (best at the time) + the passive skill maxed 10% passive armor hardening so they could shoot us before we could start repping. 2 Pro swarmer's in 1.6 was the end of your tank.


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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4554	Posted - 2014.02.11 03:05:00 - [1] - Quote Congratulations. Despite the AV fact that CCP's "balance" has basically castrated nearly all forms of Anti-Vehicle weaponry, you've found the light on the other side. Even if it meant becoming one of them, you still pulled through. You discovered the Railgun, and the Jihad Jeep. And then used these tools to make short work of tanks, all while managing to still collect tears from the bad pilots There may have been a bit of outrage at the start, but you've adapted. Unlike the pilots, who QQ'd until Uprising 1.7's launch date, you've actually stopped the QQ and adapted. You've proven yourselves better than your enemy, and this shall be forever written in history. o7 -HAND Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4578	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:10:00 - [2] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Using the op jhad jeep or a op railgun with damage mods means you are bad and should feel bad. Using a tank also means your bad and should feel bad. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4578	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:19:00 - [3] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: lola very moronic thread prior to 1.7 and after 1.1 there was no way to adapt to the av. also if ccp buffs av its not because its underpowered more like people like you promote the balless behavior av exhibits. av is plenty effective ive seen it used and used well avers working with tanks is pretty devastating and will push even me off the field. and i have thousands of tanks i could spam. sobs sobs atim maybe work on your aim? If it's effective, then why have I yet to be killed by anything other than an entire squad, Jihad Jeep, or a tank? If you find yourself being killed by anything else in a tank, you should probably get good. Oh wait that right, I shouldn't be soloed in my tank. I am only one person after all. Best 3mil SP I ever spent Work on my aim? What are you talking about? I rarely miss shots with my Particle Cannon. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4578	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:23:00 - [4] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: lola very moronic thread prior to 1.7 and after 1.1 there was no way to adapt to the av. also if ccp buffs av its not because its underpowered more like people like you promote the balless behavior av exhibits. av is plenty effective ive seen it used and used well avers working with tanks is pretty devastating and will push even me off the field. and i have thousands of tanks i could spam. sobs sobs atim maybe work on your aim? Swarms dont require aim morte yes OMG THEY ARE SO UP that i can casually hop out of my lav with one hand let off the whole clip hop back in and drive off while my other hand makes myself a margarita lol and atim has forge as well i just assumed he would be trying to use that to kill tanks since he has lost faith in his swarms\ and i told him to work on his aim because last time i saw him he wasnt such a great forge shot..at least im pretty sure it was atim i really dont pay attenion to who i kill That's a pretty bad tanker. This account doesn't have a Forge Gun, and the only time I've ever seen you in a match was when you were on my team. WTH are you talking about? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4579	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:29:00 - [5] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: my message to Atiim: and what about us tankers that persevered through over a year of AV's nerf to tanks over and over again, before 1.7 tanks were nearly extinct, it was call of duty 514, ******* boring. nice try but tankers have had 100x more bullshit to adapt to over the past year than AV has in the past 3 months. (im not a tanker anymore but your post really pissed me off as a former tanker, try not to sell anymore lies. btw see you when I get back on in a month or 2 hehehe) 100x more bull$#!t? Not really. I would have commended you guys, but you never actually adapted. You QQ'd until the very end. AV // Infantry on the other hand, actually stopped the QQ. How is that a lie? When was the last time you've seen a Tank QQ thread created. We've adapted, you didn't. That's a fact. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4582	Posted - 2014.02.11 16:03:00 - [6] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Ever hear of something called a forge gun? It does more damage than a proto rail and has a 300m range. It can two shot vehicles when their hardeners go down. It still easily solo's vehicles in the right hands. Or... I could get a Particle Cannon, which has much better ROF, much better range, and near invulnerability from all forms of Infantry at the same time. Guess what I went with Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4586	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:00:00 - [7] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Using the op jhad jeep or a op railgun with damage mods means you are bad and should feel bad. Guess I'm super bad then cause I've killed countless tanks with in my unlimited range OHK super saiyan swarm LAV of Jihad shenanigans. I shall continue! HAV Destruction +150 Kill +50 Mmm mm mmmmmmm. "The snack that smiles back" "Tankers" Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4586	Posted - 2014.02.11 20:40:00 - [8] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Armor tanks aren't bad because even with hardeners up 2 forges can get the job done most times. Smart shield tankers who only strike when hardeners are up and can either double down on hardeners or extend the duration of thier strike are impossible for ground AV. 40% damage of something that already only does 90 means we get like 36% through. Even hitting the weak spot you barely scratch the shields. Plus they are faster and can escape easier.someone theory raft a way to defend against one smart shield tanker let alone multiple. And god forbid we ever see spider tanking make a return with this vehicle imbalance. Imagine an Lav circling a tank while shield repping as it keeps its hardeners up? AV Qq now and tankers don't even try yet. They don't try it because they can't. They removed shield and armor transporters. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4589	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:43:00 - [9] - Quote noname warrior wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: my message to Atiim: and what about us tankers that persevered through over a year of AV's nerf to tanks over and over again, before 1.7 tanks were nearly extinct, it was call of duty 514, ***** boring. nice try but tankers have had 100x more bullshit to adapt to over the past year than AV has in the past 3 months. (im not a tanker anymore but your post really pissed me off as a former tanker, try not to sell anymore lies. btw see you when I get back on in a month or 2 hehehe) Oh... poor baby. Ya got killed will driving yer tank before ya got to yer customary double figure to one k/d ratio before 1.7. So ya whined and ya cried and ya stomped yer feet and bitched at CCP "HOW IS IT THAT SOMEONE ON FOOT, SOMEONE ON FOOKIN TWO FEET FER CRISSAKE!!!!** CAN KILL ME? WAAAAAAAA! THAT IS JUST SO FOOKIN UNFAIR!!!!! WAAAAAA!!!!! I WANNA BE INVULNERALBLE!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!" Poor tankie baby. Now now. CCP gonna nerf that bad bad AV and make it alright. While I do be believe that follows the thoughts of most tankers, Void Echo doesn't tank anymore. Anything Void Echo says about vehicles is not for his own, personal gain. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4589	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:47:00 - [10] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ken soloed 2 tanks last night in PC, and he's a tanker if it were not for the convenient uplink in the mountains he would have used a rail but with just STD AV nades and an IAFG he killed both tanks. learn to AV. And I also managed to survive 2 Swarms and a Forge Gun beating down on me the entire match numerous times before 1.7. You clearly sucked at tanking. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4590	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:56:00 - [11] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: People have given up caring dude. Check the numbers. Player base is DOWN. That's why this is my Final Message. Before everyone jumps ship (and then come crawling back for 1.8 lol), I just wanted to write it down in history. AVers > Tankers. Shall it be forever written, and forever engraved in our hearts. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4591	Posted - 2014.02.11 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: True Adamance wrote: Wait you are congratulating AVers for selling out, giving up all that they stood for, and corrupting themselves as FoTM tankers because they couldn't initially adapt? That's pretty ***** sad. However Tanks are way ***** out of control. A FIX is required to make both worlds more viable. Selling out? It's like waking one morning to go to work and there's bits of your car missing, it's apparent that it'll be in the shop for a weeks. Figured it's pointless to call work cry about it, and instead just found another way to get to work in the mean time. Doesn't change the fact you became the problem you sought to eliminate, even if you did it for the right reasons, you became the disease as well. Sadly I was always the disease. But now I am the cure.... Just call me the Human Immune System Becoming a rail tanker doesn't make you part of the problem. Only Tankers who are farming our team with ease are part of the problem. If you aren't trolololololol stomping, then AVers most likely wouldn't come after you. Unless their bored of course. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4594	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:17:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ken soloed 2 tanks last night in PC, and he's a tanker if it were not for the convenient uplink in the mountains he would have used a rail but with just STD AV nades and an IAFG he killed both tanks. learn to AV. And I also managed to survive 2 Swarms and a Forge Gun beating down on me the entire match numerous times before 1.7. You clearly sucked at tanking. You've clearly never been on the other side of ChicagoCubs Forge Gun sure I could tank 2 militia swarms and a militia FG. I remember talking to Ken a while back and he told me you didn't know what hardeners were so I hardly doubt you knew the best fit which differed slightly based on play style. Here's a vid from a different perspective in a semi-competitive setting it should be skipped to the end (2 TK's prevented me from being #1) http://youtu.be/MJ2FFe4e-1c You can watch the kill feed if you want but I assure you I was in a tank. They were clearly not very good swarms because the best fit could take max 6 swarms the 7th dealing the fatal blow and it could take idealy 7-9 IAFG shots but it only took 4 shots to get past the base armor w/ 2 carapace (best at the time) + the passive skill maxed 10% passive armor hardening so they could shoot us before we could start repping. 2 Pro swarmer's in 1.6 was the end of your tank. To my knowledge, the best Madrugar fitting was 1x F/45 Damage Control Peripheral 1x NOS Module 2x Carapace Armor Hardeners 1x 180 Plate 1x Passive Armor Hardener I never tried using 3 active armor plates, but I doubt it would have done much with the stacking penalties, Im pretty sure they weren't MLT weapons, but I can't confirm the tier of the items. However, you'd be very hard-pressed to take what I said seriously, or what you said seriously simply because of all of the factors that were left out. What modules was the enemy tank running? How long did it take to solo the vehicle? Was the vehicle pilot experienced? What were the conditions that the vehicle pilot was under? Where was the vehicle destroyed? etc, etc, etc. Basically, the point is that simply because it's possible, doesn't make it balanced nor realistic. A scout can (and has) pulled off scores such as 45/2 Does this mean that Scout // Light Frames are fine? Should Scouts just "learn how to Scout?" A tanker has gone 55/ in 1.6 Did this mean that HAVs were fine? Should tankers have simply "learned how to tank?" An Assault Dropship pilot managed to transport troops, get a good amount of kills, and without dying once. Did this mean that Dropships were fine? Should Dropship pilots have simply "learned how to fly?" If you answered different;y to any of these questions, then you need help. If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, then Uprising 1.6 was balanced and your a hypocritical scrub. I didn't know what hardeners were? Good God. Is there a tanker out there who doesn't twist my words to their advantage? My Exact words to Ken, is: Quote: I know what hardeners were, I just didn't use them. I prefer to use passive hardening, such as F/45 Damage Control Units. How he got "I don't know what a hardener is" from that is beyond me. I even have screenshots of my HAV fits from before 1.7 that clearly show hardeners fitted onto them. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4594	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:42:00 - [14] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: woe is me I lost a 200k AV suit in 1.6 an Average tank was 800K we died once that's the equivalent to 4 AV drop suits a great tank was around 1.4 mil equivalent to 7 AV suits and if you threw proto turrets for teamwork 2mil equivalent to 10 AV suits and lol Vayu w/ proto smalls would run you a good 2.8mil equivalent to 14 AV suits yet all of those only took a single AV suit to take out and he might not even have to lose it as he's probably 200 plus meters away. So AV when your master fit is 14 times and tanks master fit then cry. Actually, my go-to tank was within the 4-600k range. Actually, If a tanker was good, I would lose said 200k AV fitting 4+ times. Where are you drawing your numbers from? As of now, I lose about 6+ 215k suits while on AV. That's 1.29mil ISK. All while your average tank costs about 70k. I pay 18x more than the average HAV I'm destroying. You and Char's entire argument is now null and void; and invalid. Not that there was one in the first place. Did I complain when my AV suit got wrecked by a Starter Fit? Do protostompers complain when they are outplayed by a BPO? The ISK price of what an AV suit killed you means little, because unlike MLT vehicles, AV frames sacrifice their effectiveness against infantry, while MLT vehicles don't. Along with this, I've yet to see AV fittings being spammable simply because of their low cost. You try and spam an AV fit, then tell me how hard your team gets rinsed. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4595	Posted - 2014.02.12 00:51:00 - [15] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: exactly. the amount of bullshit tankers went through before 1.8 is more than AV will ever have to deal with. When you run a 2 million ISK dropsuit that gets 2HK'D by a 70,000 ISK weapon, come talk to me. Until then, stfu. You are a sell out and a fotm-er. At least tankers had character. And those 'bad pilots' you're blowing up are newberries, former AV (like yourself), and FOTMers who rocked duvolles last build. I already addressed the first two arguments in my last response, so I'll leave them at that. I'm a sellout? I was a tanker well before 1.7, and I was even a tanker before I was an AVer. Please, tell me how this makes me a sell-out. Though by your logic, every pilot who had a Forge Gun and/or Plasma Cannon before 1.7 is also a sell-out. Should I start listing names of these sell-outs? I can guarantee it wouldn't be pretty Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4596	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:05:00 - [16] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: no, you stole someone else's car and then claimed to be a hero for it. Sorry, but the 7 months of AV centric tank "balance" means that AV should get to deal with a bit of seeing what its like to be the one legged man in an ass kicking contest. that feeling of uselessness? of helplessness? That's what tankers felt for 7 ****ing months of nerf after nerf. you get one nerf and you go scrambling to find whatever is OP and spam it. No, somebody stole our car, and we proceed to use another car to trick them into getting ours back. So basically, your upset because as opposed to allowing you to keep filling up the tear jar, we refused to give you the satisfaction and adapted by using other types of AV? I don't feel useless, or helpless. My Particle Cannon and Jihad Jeep are both very useful to the team, and effective against the enemy. Try again dude. Finding whatever OP and spamming it? Wouldn't the act of placing SP back into vehicles after the respec, and using it consistently also be "finding what's OP and spamming it?" Hypocrite Much? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4606	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:04:00 - [17] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Whose fault is that for using proto everything in every alot? Not every tanker ran proto.... And yet whenever a tanker would b!tch about how their tank costs too much, they would use PRO fitted vehicles as an example. Also, I can bet you 50mil that unless you have 2-3 guys with you, you'll never kill me with STD or ADV AV. This applied even before 1.7. Then again, you have negative ISK because you tried to scam somebody out of Templar gear, just to fall for the exact same trick later lol. Do you even have the ISK for a bet anymore? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4610	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:17:00 - [18] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: I take that you have respect for me after months of being on opposite sides of the same class now.... To be honest, you were one of the few tankers on the forums who didn't pretend as if they are better than the rest of the playerbase, and some of your balance ideas were actually reasonable. In a way, yes. While it hate to admit it, there are tankers on these forums that I did respect and admire, and still do to an extent. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4613	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:16:00 - [19] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Tanks so OP they can be insta popped by a jihad jeep, die quickly without hardners die instantaneously by proxies with out a hardener remotes can be strategically placed and detonated, a team of two breach FG's can easily one shot it with hardeners down a team of 2 IAFG can kill a tank or force it to back off. double damage modded sica's can 2-3 shot tanks without hardener's and can retreat behind a hill in their redline when you engage yup tanks definitely OP. Railguns are so OP they can be avoided by strafing around the target, dropships can use afterburners to outmaneuver it's tracking speed, two Ion Cannons can pop a Particle Cannon, another railtank can easily 3- shot them, a strategically placed dropship can avoid and dodge them. yup tanks definitely OP. Remote & Proximity Explosives? Really? Get Better. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!