DUST Search - I give up....

Bethhy wrote:

Specializing only works in CCP games for new players, thats the balance they build around their persistent skill systems.

So you can specialize in a certain role in a certain expansion and be relevant somewhat quickly in that role. and Maxing out that role is possible somewhat quickly if focused on it..

Vet's however have the ability to use most thing's in EVE... Most of my pilots can fly every ship in the game for every race of course they all are well over 100m SP, but a 10-12m SP character could be specialized in one role and be just as good if not better then if I was to perform or compete against.

DUST is becoming much a emulation of that, as Most people have a Logi suit and an Assault or Heavy... or all three...

The nerfing and buffing cycle has been a giant waste of time regardless. 8 months of barely any content we have actually removed more content then added and we have buffed and tweaked nearly every gun in the game and it's done absolutely nothing for the balancing efforts..

Content then balance with next content addition... Watch what happens in the Player battles, problem solve very small tweaks for balance and add more content... Rinse repeat...

using entire patches for a general balance is becoming a giant waste of time. Tanks are the best example, We spent all that time overhauling tanks.. But They didn't add in Amarr and Minmatar tanks. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME..... Why do HALF of a job and spend all that time on it? Again a whole patch wasted on balancing with no content addition A GIANT WASTE OF TIME...

This has been DUST since Uprising Patch notes... Half Job's and lazy fixes.

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PEW JACKSON Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 215	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:19:00 - [1] - Quote Every single thing I've skilled into has been nerfed either directly or indirectly. Some nerfed by new content and some nerfed by balance passes. Nearly 27.8mil SP and I only have one proto suit. Remember when you had to get the basic frame to proto before getting into the racial frame? Yep that's why. CCP changed that the very next patch, but I didn't get the SP back. It also happens to be the worst proto suit in game. Light frame Mk0. Speed tanking was viable before strafe speed nerf. I aimed at going for the Minmatar Assault suit. Scanners + strafe nerf made this the second worst suit in game. Oh but it wasn't too bad for that meager sidearm bonus . LR was great in Chrome. Uprising launched with lasers being dubbed Dust's interactive light show. Murder taxis plagued the game for a while, so I went prof 3 into swarms... 1.7 tanks "lol what are swarms?" Flaylock? (I don't want to talk about it) 1.8 is the RR's nerf.............. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 590	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:22:00 - [2] - Quote Like I keep saying time after time, If this game is even remotely like EVE, you have to cross train into everything. Everything has its use and you WILL want the generality behind you to use almost everything. People who spec into one specific role for one specific circumstance will suffer. Anyone who has played eve can confirm cross training is the s**t. By that I mean CROSS-TRAIN NOW! Skill into everything.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 585	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:22:00 - [3] - Quote least you can use that Mk0 for cloak and knova knife goodness Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 138	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:25:00 - [4] - Quote So can you keep us all updated on what you've skilled into?... so we know what not to pick (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "fuck this I'm out"... ... ..."I'm back"
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1187	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote Which is why you learn about how CCP works and just spec into what you think is cool. Only tryhard power players would have a problem with the nerfing. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1121	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:29:00 - [6] - Quote There's no reason for us to believe that we should be able to pick a single playstyle and stay with it for ever. If CCP decide that forcing us to try new things every now and then loses less players than letting us play the same thing until we get bored and stop playing then that is what they'll do. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2531	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:31:00 - [7] - Quote Clearly you should focus on melee damage mods and kincats and just go punching people They would have to be crazy to nerf that next Wait, they are crazy I sell my sword, I donGÇÖt give it away.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1088	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:34:00 - [8] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Every single thing I've skilled into has been nerfed either directly or indirectly. Some nerfed by new content and some nerfed by balance passes. Nearly 27.8mil SP and I only have one proto suit. Remember when you had to get the basic frame to proto before getting into the racial frame? Yep that's why. CCP changed that the very next patch, but I didn't get the SP back. It also happens to be the worst proto suit in game. Light frame Mk0. Speed tanking was viable before strafe speed nerf. I aimed at going for the Minmatar Assault suit. Scanners + strafe nerf made this the second worst suit in game. Oh but it wasn't too bad for that meager sidearm bonus . LR was great in Chrome. Uprising launched with lasers being dubbed Dust's interactive light show. Murder taxis plagued the game for a while, so I went prof 3 into swarms... 1.7 tanks "lol what are swarms?" Flaylock? (I don't want to talk about it) 1.8 is the RR's nerf.............. ._. Everyone has had "everything" nerf once. Get over it >.>? ARs, RRs, MDs, etc...Everything can be applied. Currently, all rifles will be nerfed so you complaining just about the RR serves what purpose? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 934	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:07:00 - [9] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: least you can use that Mk0 for cloak and knova knife goodness Think again. Light frame =/= Scout. He won't get the bonuses from the hack, melee, or fitting reduction for cloaks unless he has put points into Minmatar scout.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3153	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:10:00 - [10] - Quote You post your thoughts...community tells you to get over it. Redline rail tanks discussed, community doesn't say "get over it" with ease. I remember at one time when the advice that was given was that you don't want to be a jack of all trades. Now it's good to be a jack of all trades. Some of the community can be crazy with their hokey pokey opinions that change quickly with the weather. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1552	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:11:00 - [11] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Every single thing I've skilled into has been nerfed either directly or indirectly. Some nerfed by new content and some nerfed by balance passes. Nearly 27.8mil SP and I only have one proto suit. Remember when you had to get the basic frame to proto before getting into the racial frame? Yep that's why. CCP changed that the very next patch, but I didn't get the SP back. It also happens to be the worst proto suit in game. Light frame Mk0. Speed tanking was viable before strafe speed nerf. I aimed at going for the Minmatar Assault suit. Scanners + strafe nerf made this the second worst suit in game. Oh but it wasn't too bad for that meager sidearm bonus . LR was great in Chrome. Uprising launched with lasers being dubbed Dust's interactive light show. Murder taxis plagued the game for a while, so I went prof 3 into swarms... 1.7 tanks "lol what are swarms?" Flaylock? (I don't want to talk about it) 1.8 is the RR's nerf.............. I feel your pain man... especially with my deadlocks.... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1552	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:12:00 - [12] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Every single thing I've skilled into has been nerfed either directly or indirectly. Some nerfed by new content and some nerfed by balance passes. Nearly 27.8mil SP and I only have one proto suit. Remember when you had to get the basic frame to proto before getting into the racial frame? Yep that's why. CCP changed that the very next patch, but I didn't get the SP back. It also happens to be the worst proto suit in game. Light frame Mk0. Speed tanking was viable before strafe speed nerf. I aimed at going for the Minmatar Assault suit. Scanners + strafe nerf made this the second worst suit in game. Oh but it wasn't too bad for that meager sidearm bonus . LR was great in Chrome. Uprising launched with lasers being dubbed Dust's interactive light show. Murder taxis plagued the game for a while, so I went prof 3 into swarms... 1.7 tanks "lol what are swarms?" Flaylock? (I don't want to talk about it) 1.8 is the RR's nerf.............. ._. Everyone has had "everything" nerf once. Get over it >.>? ARs, RRs, MDs, etc...Everything can be applied. Currently, all rifles will be nerfed so you complaining just about the RR serves what purpose? galente AR will not get nerfed Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 265	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:12:00 - [13] - Quote my Mk.0 LIGHT FRAME IS my only proto suit too :\| MAG [ + ] AIMBOT AceOfJokers666
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1155	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:25:00 - [14] - Quote Specializing only works in CCP games for new players, thats the balance they build around their persistent skill systems. So you can specialize in a certain role in a certain expansion and be relevant somewhat quickly in that role. and Maxing out that role is possible somewhat quickly if focused on it.. Vet's however have the ability to use most thing's in EVE... Most of my pilots can fly every ship in the game for every race of course they all are well over 100m SP, but a 10-12m SP character could be specialized in one role and be just as good if not better then if I was to perform or compete against. DUST is becoming much a emulation of that, as Most people have a Logi suit and an Assault or Heavy... or all three... The nerfing and buffing cycle has been a giant waste of time regardless. 8 months of barely any content we have actually removed more content then added and we have buffed and tweaked nearly every gun in the game and it's done absolutely nothing for the balancing efforts.. Content then balance with next content addition... Watch what happens in the Player battles, problem solve very small tweaks for balance and add more content... Rinse repeat... using entire patches for a general balance is becoming a giant waste of time. Tanks are the best example, We spent all that time overhauling tanks.. But They didn't add in Amarr and Minmatar tanks. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME..... Why do HALF of a job and spend all that time on it? Again a whole patch wasted on balancing with no content addition A GIANT WASTE OF TIME... This has been DUST since Uprising Patch notes... Half Job's and lazy fixes.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3153	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:28:00 - [15] - Quote Bethhy wrote: The nerfing and buffing cycle has been a giant waste of time regardless. 8 months of barely any content we have actually removed more content then added and we have buffed and tweaked nearly every gun in the game and it's done absolutely nothing for the balancing efforts.. +1 We have been in a constant loop... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 594	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:29:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: You post your thoughts...community tells you to get over it. Redline rail tanks discussed, community doesn't say "get over it" with ease. I remember at one time when the advice that was given was that you don't want to be a jack of all trades. Now it's good to be a jack of all trades. Some of the community can be crazy with their hokey pokey opinions that change quickly with the weather. I have never said be a master of one thing. Coming from eve it is a given that you become a master of ALL things. That is the norm in EVE.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 444	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:31:00 - [17] - Quote Well if you stick to it long enough your stuff will eventualy come back around to a buff in the eternal nerf buff cricle of life.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 594	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:33:00 - [18] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Specializing only works in CCP games for new players, thats the balance they build around their persistent skill systems. So you can specialize in a certain role in a certain expansion and be relevant somewhat quickly in that role. and Maxing out that role is possible somewhat quickly if focused on it.. Vet's however have the ability to use most thing's in EVE... Most of my pilots can fly every ship in the game for every race of course they all are well over 100m SP, but a 10-12m SP character could be specialized in one role and be just as good if not better then if I was to perform or compete against. DUST is becoming much a emulation of that, as Most people have a Logi suit and an Assault or Heavy... or all three... The nerfing and buffing cycle has been a giant waste of time regardless. 8 months of barely any content we have actually removed more content then added and we have buffed and tweaked nearly every gun in the game and it's done absolutely nothing for the balancing efforts.. Content then balance with next content addition... Watch what happens in the Player battles, problem solve very small tweaks for balance and add more content... Rinse repeat... using entire patches for a general balance is becoming a giant waste of time. Tanks are the best example, We spent all that time overhauling tanks.. But They didn't add in Amarr and Minmatar tanks. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME..... Why do HALF of a job and spend all that time on it? Again a whole patch wasted on balancing with no content addition A GIANT WASTE OF TIME... This has been DUST since Uprising Patch notes... Half Job's and lazy fixes. I know right. I feel sorry for the devs in some respects. Tweaking things that they will no doubt go back to. The thing that really gets me is back in the late versions of Chromosome build it actually felt like things were a lot more balanced than they are now. I really wish CCP would outline there plans in a strightforwards manner and say guys "This is the overall plan for the game, there are the rough dates we expect content to come out and these are our balance pass windows during the next 6 months / next year"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3155	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:33:00 - [19] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You post your thoughts...community tells you to get over it. Redline rail tanks discussed, community doesn't say "get over it" with ease. I remember at one time when the advice that was given was that you don't want to be a jack of all trades. Now it's good to be a jack of all trades. Some of the community can be crazy with their hokey pokey opinions that change quickly with the weather. I have never said be a master of one thing. Coming from eve it is a given that you become a master of ALL things. That is the norm in EVE. I was speaking in general terms. I would have quoted you if I meant that post to be directed at you. I'm just noticing the change of response period. When I first arrived on forums, being a jack of all trades were frowned upon. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 197	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:38:00 - [20] - Quote Guess I didn't plan too bad then. Got decent skills for all rifles, equipment, and also have been recently putting skills into gunlogis for AV purposes. But I've been a victim of the nerf hammer. Just had gotten good with AR and then the range got clipped. Same for my Callogi suit. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1616	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:43:00 - [21] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Like I keep saying time after time, If this game is even remotely like EVE, you have to cross train into everything. Everything has its use and you WILL want the generality behind you to use almost everything. People who spec into one specific role for one specific circumstance will suffer. Anyone who has played eve can confirm cross training is the s**t. By that I mean CROSS-TRAIN NOW! Skill into everything. I have to agree, I can fly all gal sub caps at mastery 3 and jumping into a frigate from another race is fairly easy because I have crossed trained using the old certificate system, when Isis dropped it took me less than a month to mastery three in gal. Get the core skills maxed and suits/weapons to level three. Play with the rest because you'll want the stuff later. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2353	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:43:00 - [22] - Quote Gimme that respec and I'm building 1 thoroughly badass dropsuit. That's it. Nothing else. Then, I'm going to just sit on over 15 million and wait for the next nerf/buff/FotM and build the **** out of that too. And in 6 months, I'll do it again. Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1160	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:50:00 - [23] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Gimme that respec and I'm building 1 thoroughly badass dropsuit. That's it. Nothing else. Then, I'm going to just sit on over 15 million and wait for the next nerf/buff/FotM and build the **** out of that too. And in 6 months, I'll do it again. That's how the FOTM cycle started... the Respec Cal Logi's everywhere! So much that they actually built an entire nerf just specifically for that suit(Not the Logi Class like EVERY theory crafter warned CCP that Logi suits where to OP and built wrong with bonuses). Then everyone moved on to the Gal logi. Rinse repeat... Same thing with guns... started with Duvolle Tactical and then flaylock in Uprising launch... we are on Rail Rifle and CR now ;)
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:55:00 - [24] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Every single thing I've skilled into has been nerfed either directly or indirectly. Some nerfed by new content and some nerfed by balance passes. Nearly 27.8mil SP and I only have one proto suit. Remember when you had to get the basic frame to proto before getting into the racial frame? Yep that's why. CCP changed that the very next patch, but I didn't get the SP back. It also happens to be the worst proto suit in game. Light frame Mk0. Speed tanking was viable before strafe speed nerf. I aimed at going for the Minmatar Assault suit. Scanners + strafe nerf made this the second worst suit in game. Oh but it wasn't too bad for that meager sidearm bonus . LR was great in Chrome. Uprising launched with lasers being dubbed Dust's interactive light show. Murder taxis plagued the game for a while, so I went prof 3 into swarms... 1.7 tanks "lol what are swarms?" Flaylock? (I don't want to talk about it) 1.8 is the RR's nerf.............. So, you've basically been chasing a variety FOTM fittings and playstyles. Beyond that, you lack focus in your SP allocation. Also, everyone who requested a respec was able to fix the 5 of 5 basic frame mess that CCP created. It was on you to request it in the proper way.
Rusty Shallows 937	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:55:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: You post your thoughts...community tells you to get over it. Redline rail tanks discussed, community doesn't say "get over it" with ease. I remember at one time when the advice that was given was that you don't want to be a jack of all trades. Now it's good to be a jack of all trades. Some of the community can be crazy with their hokey pokey opinions that change quickly with the weather. At least it keeps things interesting. With regards to CCPs machinations picking new winners and losers in Eve Online all the time. Dust doesn't translate the same. Eve Online has cycles while Dust 514 has a three tier system. The Sacred Cow (AR and presumably the other three) that always will be the best, yo-yo HAVs alternating from OP to UP, and everything else that get's (or will get) Da-Nerf in some way. This behavior has been consistent since closed beta. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2354	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:59:00 - [26] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Gimme that respec and I'm building 1 thoroughly badass dropsuit. That's it. Nothing else. Then, I'm going to just sit on over 15 million and wait for the next nerf/buff/FotM and build the ** out of that too. And in 6 months, I'll do it again. That's how the FOTM cycle started... the Respec Cal Logi's everywhere! So much that they actually built an entire nerf just specifically for that suit(Not the Logi Class like EVERY theory crafter warned CCP that Logi suits where to OP and built wrong with bonuses). Then everyone moved on to the Gal logi. Rinse repeat... Same thing with guns... started with Duvolle Tactical and then flaylock in Uprising launch... we are on Rail Rifle and CR now ;) Yup. I was there. I was one of those dipshit optimists that thought CCP was competent enough to quickly rectify the problems and just kept building on my Chromosome era fitting and expansion while all the smart kids FotM'd their way to a Mensa meeting with a DTAR. What a ***** moron... Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.


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