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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.02.10 18:31:00 -
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You can do whatever you want with BPO's or BPC's or BP-whatevers released from today (Febuary 10th - some date in the future) but don't limit the original BPO's that were marketed as "unlimited."
CCP wanted money, so they sold us a product. They realized a mistake and changed their policies on BPO's, but that doesn't excuse them from the BPO's already sold.
I have BPO's and I love them ( run them 80% for the color schemes, 20% for the unlimited aspect). I'll continue using them, and if they come out again I'll continue buying them. But as soon as the product I purchase changes into something completely different, well, then I'm out of here.
Just on a side note, if new BPO's are brought in but are limited, depending on how they are implemented, I will buy those too. I have no problem with limited BPO's, but I do have a problem in being lied to when I buy something.
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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.02.10 18:41:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:You can do whatever you want with BPO's or BPC's or BP-whatevers released from today (Febuary 10th - some date in the future) but don't limit the original BPO's that were marketed as "unlimited."
CCP wanted money, so they sold us a product. They realized a mistake and changed their policies on BPO's, but that doesn't excuse them from the BPO's already sold.
I have BPO's and I love them ( run them 80% for the color schemes, 20% for the unlimited aspect). I'll continue using them, and if they come out again I'll continue buying them. But as soon as the product I purchase changes into something completely different, well, then I'm out of here.
Just on a side note, if new BPO's are brought in but are limited, depending on how they are implemented, I will buy those too. I have no problem with limited BPO's, but I do have a problem in being lied to when I buy something. No worries - as with anything, you'll get your aurum back if anything like that happens and I'm sure you'll agree that you got your money's worth with all that gear you've used since you bought those BPOs if/when that happens.
Yeah, except I didn't spend real money to buy Aurum for items that would run out. So, Aurum that I can use to buy some neo suits that would last me all of one month is poor compensation. Online purchases come down to two categories. Small, expendable, increments of benefit (like usable items, digital currency, xp boosters etc) and permanent purchases (ps1 games, DLC, Resident Evil HD collection, Final Fantasy costumes etc).
I bought the new starter kit. That is an expendable item, and I did so knowingly.
I bought the Merc Pack for Dragonfly BPO's. That was supposed to be a permanent item in our inventory.
Two different reasons for buying something, two different expectations.
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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:11:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Django Quik wrote:What you naysayers are missing is that regardless of whether BPOs are economy breaking or not, CCP thinks they are and that's why they were removed. Devs publicly stated this when they were removed from the market. It is not just my opinion. My opinion and your opinion on their economy breakingness is irrelevant.
My main point with this thread is to bring BPOs back in a useful and meaningful context, so that they can be used by all players if they wish and not just for you selfish people who seem to want to hold onto them as they are currently and be the only ones to benefit from them.
My suggestion will further this game and help build the economy that so many of you rightly point out is currently non-existent. In the same breath that CCP announced the removal of BPOs from the marketplace, they stated that they hope to one day bring them back, only not in the same form; well, this is a way they could be brought back and soon.
How about instead of naysaying and arguing about whether there's a problem or not, you all acknowledge CCP's position and do something to work towards a solution instead of burying your heads in the sand and saying everything is fine as is. Because I sure as hell would like to see BPOs return and I know a lot of players are looking forward to the player market and (sigh carebear) industrialism/manufacturing and this would be a significant step towards all of that. CCP never said they were "game breaking" that was the term you used. I'm pretty sure they used the phrase "they are not good for the economy." There is a huge difference. They stopped selling them as a result, and the current solution will see BPOs naturally decline as a percentage of ISK in battle over time as vets quit, new players come in and dilute the existing BPOs. A tiny semantic difference actually (CCP would not use the term 'game breaking') but the result is the same - no more BPOs. However, you can not ignore the fact that they said they wanted to bring them back in some other form. The 'current solution' is not a solution; it is nothing and it doesn't further this game in any way. My suggestion brings BPOs back in a useful and meaningful way and will provide a platform for other even bigger aspects of this game to develop. All I've seen from the negative people so far is reasons why there's nothing wrong with BPOs and no reasons why there's anything wrong with my proposal. How about you analyse the idea instead of arguing about the background?
Your idea is a good one and valid, and one I would be willing to try. However, most of the posts from the "negative people" have been along the lines of "please, don't touch the BPO's that we already own" and they have an equally valid point of view as well. Do you own any BPO's? I find that once you have spent money on an actual product (instead of sitting on the side-lines wishing you could have) it changes your viewpoint of how you feel about that item.
Let CCP do whatever they want with future BPO's, but know where we're coming from.
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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:38:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:So a blueprint that saves at most a couple of thousand isk is a problem to the economy? Yet PC corps with god knows how many locked districts that still create millions of isk a day in passive form is ok? LOL People who complain about BPOs but ignore multi million ISK generating districts which are constantly locked down by huge mega corps are a cancer on this game. In fact, I hope they get cancer.
district locking is a much much much x10000 worse problem than BPO's but yikes! Cancer? Really? That's kind of harsh.
But I'm not too worried. CCP is made up of people just like us, they read the forums, they play the games. I'm pretty sure they're aware of what it would feel like to get our BPO's taken away. But I do welcome new BPO's in whatever form they take.
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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.02.10 22:53:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:@NomaDz 2K and Lucrezia LeGrand - can we not derail this thread any further with talk of BPO refunds or whatever; that is not what this thread is about. It is about how we can get BPOs brought back in a useful and meaningful manner that will further the game and benefit everyone.,
I wasn't trying to derail the thread. I was responding to a post you made where you said an Aurum refund was a perfectly acceptable compensation to losing a BPO. I disagree.
I also said that I like your idea for "future" BPO's and would be willing to support CCP in that regard. CCP has to find a way to monetize Dust 514, and bringing back BPO's in one way or another would be a great way of doing that (as long as they don't change already existing BPO's).
The truth is BPO's sell. Alternative color schemes sell. small unique fittings (even if they are crap fittings) sell. Anything cosmetic sells. Anything that allows player initiative and meta gaming (like manufacturing your own stuff) sells. So I support a new type of BPO.
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