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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:18:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:BPO's were fixed when they removed them from the market. I still have all of my Dren bpos and while I use the hell out of the assault, scout, heavy, ar, and sometimes my dren shotty bpo, I feel like if their are bpos for basic ar and scrambler rifle not to mention scr pistol and subs then we should have them for the other wespons as well, I want a blue printed original rail rifle to make a complete Caldari fit. I think the bpo system we had was great the problem is and was that we didnt have every racial weapon and suit of which basic level bpos could be created. I want more bpos not less so that the day doesnt come when ccp comes after my Dren gear, which im afraid is inevitable if they dont go the other way and make bpos for everything else. But even though they removed some bpos and took them off the market their are lots out there. |
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:32:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Please note that it is CCP's position that BPOs are economy breaking, so it is irrelevant if you disagree - instead of arguing about there not being a problem, let's talk about the idea below and how it could further this game.
It's been said by CCP and others many times that BPOs break the game economy because they provide a free unlimited supply of items (albeit low value ones but the value is irrelevant in the big picture anyway). However, BPOs are an intrisic part of the New Eden universe and could continue to be a fantastic way for CCP to bring in revenue.
The following idea does not vary hugely from the current/old situation and potentially could be implemented in time for fanfest (depending on what is already lined up for dev sprints over the next few months):
1) Create BPOs for every single item in the game (excluding officer salvage) 2) Make them cost many millions of isk / lots of aurum 3) BPOs no longer provide free unlimited items but players get the BPO'd items for much cheaper than the BPC market value 4) BPCs are still available from the main market at current prices (or increased prices, whatever)
The next step would be to provide players with the ability to purchase manufacturing materials from NPC (and later Eve) mining corps, which would be required to create items from BPO plans.
This would restore BPOs to useful items both to players and CCP without breaking the economy or future possibilities of the player market; in fact it would provide a starting platform for both manufacturing and the player market as well as fitting in well with the way BPOs and BPCs have worked in Eve for years.
Some caveats to control the effect of BPOs on the current game economy could be: - Militia BPOs cost up to 10 million isk each - Standard BPOs cost up to 50 million isk each - Advanced BPOs cost up to 100 million isk each - Proto BPOs are extremely rare salvage only (say 0.01% chance)
Up to Advanced BPOs could have a 0.1% salvage chance.
A new BPO section could be added to the marketplace with up to Advanced BPOs available for aurum of similar values to what they were before they were removed from the market.
The price of items created from BPOs could be 1/2 of the market price making them long term investments, so players buying them would feel like they have to keep playing to get the full value of what they have bought.
In the future, when we have a player market, manufacturing time and materials cost could be added, so that players can't just quickly flood the market with cheap gear and undermine the economy. I dont care what they come up with as long as they dont touch all the bpos ive already paid for which would probably happen with your idea so I cant go for it, whatever ccp does they need to find a way to support those who supported them.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:59:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:plaplapla wrote:if BPOs are bad so are starter fits Agreed but starter fits serve a purpose - they are there for when you have no isk/are new. A way to negate this small bump in the problem is to only allow the use of starter fits below a certain isk and/or SP threshold. That way new and poor players would still have a fall back without free unlimited gear impacting on the economy in any way. And for the record CCPS reference to the economy means THEIR economy not ours. Bpos are not breaking our game, neither are starter fits, whats really got these guys pissed is when my 10,000 isk bpo dren scout with remotes is hiding and uses remotes to blow the **** out of the proto suit your running in pubs, lmao remoted a guy with a krins 2 days ago, so sweet. See the fact is Dren > proto in many ways and all these scrubs dying to vet players with core skills and bpos are mad about, im not saying thats the case with quik, but for some peo9le yes. And some people that couldnt afford bpos are mad, others that started playing after they were gone are mad. |
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:04:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Drapedup Drippedout wrote:BPO's were fixed when they removed them from the market. I still have all of my Dren bpos and while I use the hell out of the assault, scout, heavy, ar, and sometimes my dren shotty bpo, I feel like if their are bpos for basic ar and scrambler rifle not to mention scr pistol and subs then we should have them for the other wespons as well, I want a blue printed original rail rifle to make a complete Caldari fit. I think the bpo system we had was great the problem is and was that we didnt have every racial weapon and suit of which basic level bpos could be created. I want more bpos not less so that the day doesnt come when ccp comes after my Dren gear, which im afraid is inevitable if they dont go the other way and make bpos for everything else. But even though they removed some bpos and took them off the market their are lots out there. They are debating an aurum purchase that will allow you switch races with BPO suits, turning your dren scout into caldari for example. No dice on the RR BPO tho ^ This..... Sweet!!!!! |
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:07:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:So a blueprint that saves at most a couple of thousand isk is a problem to the economy? Yet PC corps with god knows how many locked districts that still create millions of isk a day in passive form is ok? LOL People who complain about BPOs but ignore multi million ISK generating districts which are constantly locked down by huge mega corps are a cancer on this game. In fact, I hope they get cancer. I only play pc when Im asked to play by someone whos willing to pay me, as for locking districts I thought that was how you win pc, the first corp to capture all the districts and lock them shutting down pc wins right????? |
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:21:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Django Quik wrote:Drapedup Drippedout wrote:Simple...attach the value of the standard item to the bpo so that when it's lost in battle it doesn't cost the owner, but still ads the isk to the payout pool at the end of the match.
CCP put bpo's in the game to make money, they made A LOT of money off of them. Why should the community have to deal with CCP not having the foresight and fortitude to realize that they made the mistake?
Fix it so suit lost still produces ISK payout, but BPO's should not cost owner anything to use. They should not be consumable in any regard. The problem is not the BPOs not adding to payout; the problem is people getting free unlimited items. Free stuff = no risk = broken risk <> reward mechanics The problem is you are just jealous, and it's pretty pathetic. BPOs were a commodity, a commodity which people had to pay for, and like all commodities, there are those who have and those who don't. Don't like it, tough ****, that's capitalism B-I-T-C-H! I have BPOs and if you read the thread, you'd know that. And for the record, I have no said anything about taking away BPOs from anyone. CCP may well choose to leave those as they are, since as some people have rightly already pointed out, they will slowly dwindle in number as the vets who own them disappear under a sea of blueberries. My proposal, before you tried to insult and offend large numbers of people and derail the thread, could easily be implemented on top of what currently exists within the game, whilst extending and developing it for the future and greater good. I get what your saying I even like the idea, I dont want to mine though, Id rather have a chance to earn the materials needed to use the bpo by providing security as part of a group of contracted mercs paid to be garrisoned on a mining ship or our own ships that are part of a mining fleet which provides security against other pirating and marauding mercs which would have incentive to not simply destroy our ships in space but rather use something you brillant nerds will invent to attempt to board and take control of said ships with only an elite squad or 2 of new eden caldaris finest heavys scouts logis and assaults to defend and indeed repel these pirates, of which im sure would be gallente scum as the master race doesnt pirate. I know thats crazy ****, just saying im down with the rpg, mmo aspect just not removing bpos.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:55:00 -
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Squagga wrote:I don't care if they get rid of all the BPOs. Also I don't think that BPOs are hurting the economy that badly. More Importantly whats hurting the economy is buying NPC BPCs. Should just let the EVE pilots make the BPCs and tehn sell em to us. Wouldn't be implemented today but it wouldn't take that long. Better economy better DUST/EVE integration Said it for a long time, eve should be making and selling us our gear. |
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:45:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:Django Quik wrote:@NomaDz 2K and Lucrezia LeGrand - can we not derail this thread any further with talk of BPO refunds or whatever; that is not what this thread is about. It is about how we can get BPOs brought back in a useful and meaningful manner that will further the game and benefit everyone., I wasn't trying to derail the thread. I was responding to a post you made where you said an Aurum refund was a perfectly acceptable compensation to losing a BPO. I disagree. I also said that I like your idea for "future" BPO's and would be willing to support CCP in that regard. CCP has to find a way to monetize Dust 514, and bringing back BPO's in one way or another would be a great way of doing that (as long as they don't change already existing BPO's). The truth is BPO's sell. Alternative color schemes sell. small unique fittings (even if they are crap fittings) sell. Anything cosmetic sells. Anything that allows player initiative and meta gaming (like manufacturing your own stuff) sells. So I support a new type of BPO. Totally agree, man if they would just sell bpo skins that we could camo out our suit of choice with id buy all kinds, the problem for them making money isnt bpos, its that they dont make enough new and creative ones to continue selling, if you had a bpo for the basic version of everything in the game that would sell, and not like the old ones, "Miltia shield extender blue print" boooooo, I want the " Kalakiota starburst shield extender" and when im wearing them I should have orange and yellow starburts on my shoulders to properly accentuate the master race. |
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:51:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Untill you fix the " district bpo" people locking districts an collecting billions of free isk everyday an players doing one sided pc making millions everyday, don't even purpose we fix bpos first + 1 cause "district bpo" had me lol. And its true |
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