DUST Search - How BPOs could be fixed ASAP and bridging the manufacturing gap

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:

Drapedup Drippedout wrote:

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:

Drapedup Drippedout wrote:

BPO's were fixed when they removed them from the market.

I still have all of my Dren bpos and while I use the hell out of the assault, scout, heavy, ar, and sometimes my dren shotty bpo, I feel like if their are bpos for basic ar and scrambler rifle not to mention scr pistol and subs then we should have them for the other wespons as well, I want a blue printed original rail rifle to make a complete Caldari fit. I think the bpo system we had was great the problem is and was that we didnt have every racial weapon and suit of which basic level bpos could be created. I want more bpos not less so that the day doesnt come when ccp comes after my Dren gear, which im afraid is inevitable if they dont go the other way and make bpos for everything else. But even though they removed some bpos and took them off the market their are lots out there.

They are debating an aurum purchase that will allow you switch races with BPO suits, turning your dren scout into caldari for example. No dice on the RR BPO tho

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Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 350	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:26:00 - [1] - Quote BPO's were fixed when they removed them from the market. Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 350	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:45:00 - [2] - Quote Simple...attach the value of the standard item to the bpo so that when it's lost in battle it doesn't cost the owner, but still ads the isk to the payout pool at the end of the match. CCP put bpo's in the game to make money, they made A LOT of money off of them. Why should the community have to deal with CCP not having the foresight and fortitude to realize that they made the mistake? Fix it so suit lost still produces ISK payout, but BPO's should not cost owner anything to use. They should not be consumable in any regard. Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 354	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Simple...attach the value of the standard item to the bpo so that when it's lost in battle it doesn't cost the owner, but still ads the isk to the payout pool at the end of the match. CCP put bpo's in the game to make money, they made A LOT of money off of them. Why should the community have to deal with CCP not having the foresight and fortitude to realize that they made the mistake? Fix it so suit lost still produces ISK payout, but BPO's should not cost owner anything to use. They should not be consumable in any regard. The problem is not the BPOs not adding to payout; the problem is people getting free unlimited items. Free stuff = no risk = broken risk <> reward mechanics Free? I paid money for them -_- Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 356	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:19:00 - [4] - Quote Django Quik wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: It's not game breaking, The Mega corps that make the weapons pay for the BPO costs to promote the weapons. How is unlimited free anything not economy breaking? They are not unlimited. That is why CCP stopped selling them. Only a certain % of players have them. And no more are being distributed = finite amount. When the player market hits, they should be able to be sold. Thus defining an 'unlimited' amount of resources (the bpo itself) with a value in ISK. They are limited in the sense that either you own one or your don't. If a MLT basic plate bpo sells at 15mil ISK (a reasonable price), how many suits must be lost before said user actually turns a profit? 1500 isk or so for basic plate (estimate, I'm at work...they're prolly more like 800). So 15,000,000/1500 = 10,000 deaths before owner sees profit. That's got to be close to 6-8 months of straight gameplay. Risk V Reward you ask? How about you're running a BPO, literally the squishiest stuff on the battlefield. You run that for 6-8 months and watch your KD/R eat ****, your equipment is sub par and you will lose more matches because of it. Yes, I have 3 suits that I literally have an infinite amount of, an assault, a logi, and a scout. I run them maybe a grand total of 1hr/week. The vast majority of BPO holders are not running BPO's 24/7. There is nothing game breaking about them. Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 356	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:00:00 - [5] - Quote Django Quik wrote: plaplapla wrote: if BPOs are bad so are starter fits Agreed but starter fits serve a purpose - they are there for when you have no isk/are new. A way to negate this small bump in the problem is to only allow the use of starter fits below a certain isk and/or SP threshold. That way new and poor players would still have a fall back without free unlimited gear impacting on the economy in any way. The real problem is not BPO's, it is what you are choosing to focus on. There is no economy, no marketplace, no industry, hardly even a link to EVE side. Your point about starter fits is the same point I'm making about BPO's. When I need to be ISK efficient I have them, but I don't need to be at this point. And neither do the other 90% of the players who have been around since they were available. The bigger issues and the ones you are overlooking IMO, are the lack of an economy. No player market/trading. ISK payouts from PC to pubs need to be overhauled(Including district locking). Lack of playerbase. No ISK generation outside of pubs/PC. I would like to see the actual statistics from CCP's 'economist' showing the number of BPO's used and just how gamebreaking we were lead to believe this is. Count the number of BPO's that kill you, vs number of starter fits I guarantee that BPO's are significantly less. BPO's are the easiest target because 1. CCP removed them and said they were 'gamebreaking' 2. In a game where ISK generation comes one of two ways and one way is 'locked' then you will look for the next easiest target. 3. Not everyone has them, creating the "but I am entitled to one too" concept. I respect you think BPO's are gamebreaking, I just happen to whole-heartedly disagree with you. CCP cannot convince me otherwise until they release some form of actual statistics stating "Players are saving X amount of isk by running BPO's and hoarding Billions of ISK a week"....Because a much, much more game breaking feature currently is the PC district locking which is generation around to 2 billion a week (before your extortion payme...I mean tax) and that money resides in the corp wallets of maybe 8% of this game. Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 365	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:46:00 - [6] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: BPO's were fixed when they removed them from the market. I still have all of my Dren bpos and while I use the hell out of the assault, scout, heavy, ar, and sometimes my dren shotty bpo, I feel like if their are bpos for basic ar and scrambler rifle not to mention scr pistol and subs then we should have them for the other wespons as well, I want a blue printed original rail rifle to make a complete Caldari fit. I think the bpo system we had was great the problem is and was that we didnt have every racial weapon and suit of which basic level bpos could be created. I want more bpos not less so that the day doesnt come when ccp comes after my Dren gear, which im afraid is inevitable if they dont go the other way and make bpos for everything else. But even though they removed some bpos and took them off the market their are lots out there. They are debating an aurum purchase that will allow you switch races with BPO suits, turning your dren scout into caldari for example. No dice on the RR BPO tho Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 368	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:07:00 - [7] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: BPO's were fixed when they removed them from the market. I still have all of my Dren bpos and while I use the hell out of the assault, scout, heavy, ar, and sometimes my dren shotty bpo, I feel like if their are bpos for basic ar and scrambler rifle not to mention scr pistol and subs then we should have them for the other wespons as well, I want a blue printed original rail rifle to make a complete Caldari fit. I think the bpo system we had was great the problem is and was that we didnt have every racial weapon and suit of which basic level bpos could be created. I want more bpos not less so that the day doesnt come when ccp comes after my Dren gear, which im afraid is inevitable if they dont go the other way and make bpos for everything else. But even though they removed some bpos and took them off the market their are lots out there. They are debating an aurum purchase that will allow you switch races with BPO suits, turning your dren scout into caldari for example. No dice on the RR BPO tho ^ This..... Sweet!!!!! Check the bi weekly updates and discussions section in feedback/requests or whatever it's called now, most recent post. It's stickied at top Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"