DUST Search - [Suggestion] Make Assault suits the regenerative demons

Texs Red wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Texs Red wrote:

General12912 wrote:

each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense.

I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP.

Minmatar is speed
Gallente is armor and repair
Amarr is high armor
Caldari is shields and repair

Minmatar don't rely strictly on speed and the Caldari don't focus on repair. The Caldari are more about having a big shield buffer (Rokh and Drake come to mind) where as the Minmatar like active shield regeneration (Like the Maelstrom and the Vagabond).

General12912 wrote:

minmatar suit are for hit and run tactics. they kill, depend on their fast hp regen to fully recoverr
while usually hiding, and kill again. that is why they have extra speed. for running

Caldari favor shields. shields regenerate faster than armor.

Gallente and Amarr are both armor tanks, however, Amarr like extremely strong armor, Gallente like tanking with faster regen with not as much armor. but they both prefer defense. they are both tankers, just two different kinds of tankers.

Gallente favor skirmish warfare and the Caldari siege warfare. All you have to do is look at the Command ships in EVE, Caldari get bonuses to Information and Siege warfare while Gallente get bonuses to Armor and Skirmish Warfare.

In medeval terms: Caldari and Amarr like to sit in castles while the Gallente and Minmatar raid the country side on horses. The Minmatar excel at skirmish warfare by speed and a hailstorm of bullets, Gallente do so by stealth and misdirection so they can get up close to wipe them out with superior CQC ability

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6321	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:25:00 - [1] - Quote According to Iron Wolf Saber, the role of the Assault Suit is to constantly push forward, constantly keep the enemy suppressed, just all around make their lives a living hell. In order to do that, Assault suits need to be regenerative. They just have to be, you can't constantly push forward if you have to stop every 5 seconds for 30 seconds to lick your wounds. Hence why I'm suggesting Assault suits to have much higher regeneration than even 1.8 scout suits. For those that don't know, Caldari scouts will have a shield regeneration rate of 50hp/s, while Gallente scouts will have an armor regeneration rate of 3hp/s. Sentinels will have shields 30hp/s on Caldari, and armor 1hp/s on Gallente. That leaves Medium frames somewhere inbetween. However, I think Assault suits should be the exception in the medium frame category, their regeneration should be above that of a scout suit. Some random numbers I've been thinking about: Caldari Assault: 70hp/s on shields, 1hp/s on armor Minmatar: 60hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 50hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 40hp/s on shields, 7hp/s on armor DISCLAIMBER: These are numbers I pulled out of my arse, I did not do the math, I have no idea what the consequences of these exact numbers would be, don't crucify me over it. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 430	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:29:00 - [2] - Quote No. I could give reasons. But would be too long. Having a great Regen is more a defensive role than something else.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6322	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:30:00 - [3] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: No. I could give reasons. But would be too long. Having a great Regen is more a defensive role than something else. On the contrary, it means you can push forward constantly. You can't stay behind and wait for logistics to do their thing, you have to keep moving, that's the assault's role. I would like to see your reasons. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 159	Posted - 2014.02.09 19:05:00 - [4] - Quote +1 I agree, strong defensive capabilities provide a great offense. I would suggest every Assault suit get a class bonus (PG/CPU reduction for weapons), as well as racial offensive and Defensive bonuses in keeping with their race's established lore. In addition to bonuses helping racial weapons: Amarr bonuses to plates Caldari bonuses to Shield Extenders Min/Gal are the speedy ones so Gallente bonuses to armor rep modules Minmatar bonuses to shield regenerators (or regulators) This would solidify the Ground/Space Theaters with Strategies that reflect what is happening in New Eden as a whole. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1878	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:32:00 - [5] - Quote I like this but those numbers are way to high for an assault suit. So toning down the scout and having the assault take those numbers would work better. At this 70 hps an calamari has his entire buffer back in 15 seconds while a Gallente (at 7 hp) would have his buffer in 60-90 seconds. God knows what a regulator would do. If we were to make assault the active tankers we will need one he'll of a buff to passive armor repair. I was think of removing shield recharge delay and allowing shields to repair constantly also but they cycle every 3 seconds instead of every 1 second. But when the shield is depleted it poops and it has to go through a recharge delay. From here we can buff armor repairers to decent numbers wwhere armor repair is still lower but not 10 times lower maybe 2x lower with every suit getting a passive armor repair. This means a shield suit has the quickest up time as long as shield don't go down, and armor can fight through without having to stop but if he is overwhelmed he is dead. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6352	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:39:00 - [6] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I like this but those numbers are way to high for an assault suit. So toning down the scout and having the assault take those numbers would work better. At this 70 hps an calamari has his entire buffer back in 15 seconds while a Gallente (at 7 hp) would have his buffer in 60-90 seconds. God knows what a regulator would do. If we were to make assault the active tankers we will need one he'll of a buff to passive armor repair. You're forgetting that we're expected to use at least one armor repairer. Can't stack plates forever. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 54	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:44:00 - [7] - Quote each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1878	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:45:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I like this but those numbers are way to high for an assault suit. So toning down the scout and having the assault take those numbers would work better. At this 70 hps an calamari has his entire buffer back in 15 seconds while a Gallente (at 7 hp) would have his buffer in 60-90 seconds. God knows what a regulator would do. If we were to make assault the active tankers we will need one he'll of a buff to passive armor repair. You're forgetting that we're expected to use at least one armor repairer. Can't stack plates forever. Just edited the post for an idea for passive repairing. Even with a repairer we would be greatly outclassed unless they are quite significant. Unless CCP made a repairer that lowered armor HP for a great repair. Idk passive tanking doesn't work in dust so I can't really say anything intelligent or makes sense. I think I am going to wait until 1.8 and see what CCP does because I honestly don't have any good ideas left. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 177	Posted - 2014.02.09 20:53:00 - [9] - Quote General12912 wrote: each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense. I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1878	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:01:00 - [10] - Quote Texs Red wrote: General12912 wrote: each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense. I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP. Minmatar is speed Gallente is armor and repair Amarr is high armor Caldari is shields and repair Armor and Shields are not the same!

General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 54	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:14:00 - [11] - Quote Texs Red wrote: I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP. minmatar suit are for hit and run tactics. they kill, depend on their fast hp regen to fully recoverr while usually hiding, and kill again. that is why they have extra speed. for running Caldari favor shields. shields regenerate faster than armor. Gallente and Amarr are both armor tanks, however, Amarr like extremely strong armor, Gallente like tanking with faster regen with not as much armor. but they both prefer defense. they are both tankers, just two different kinds of tankers.
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 178	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:16:00 - [12] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Texs Red wrote: General12912 wrote: each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense. I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP. Minmatar is speed Gallente is armor and repair Amarr is high armor Caldari is shields and repair Minmatar don't rely strictly on speed and the Caldari don't focus on repair. The Caldari are more about having a big shield buffer (Rokh and Drake come to mind) where as the Minmatar like active shield regeneration (Like the Maelstrom and the Vagabond).
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 479	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:28:00 - [13] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: No. I could give reasons. But would be too long. Having a great Regen is more a defensive role than something else. ???????????????????? How is that DEFENSIVE? You sit back and regenerate your health instantly back to full to...? What exactly? What the hell made you say that? You fight, and then your health regenerates and then you decide to sit back and do nothing at full health?? Uh, okay? AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 480	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:46:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Some random numbers I've been thinking about: Caldari Assault: 70hp/s on shields, 1hp/s on armor Minmatar: 60hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 50hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 40hp/s on shields, 7hp/s on armor IMO: Minmatar: 80hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Caldari: 40hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 25hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 25hp/s on shields, 8hp/s on armor Minmatar/Gallente are fast regen Amarr/Caldari are brick tank with low regen AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6380	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:48:00 - [15] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Some random numbers I've been thinking about: Caldari Assault: 70hp/s on shields, 1hp/s on armor Minmatar: 60hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 50hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 40hp/s on shields, 7hp/s on armor IMO: Minmatar: 80hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Caldari: 40hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 25hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 25hp/s on shields, 8hp/s on armor Minmatar/Gallente are fast regen Amarr/Caldari are brick tank with low regen The diffferences between a Minmatar and Caldari are far, far too high. Caldari don't have more shield HP than Minmatar to justify losing 40hp/s. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 480	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:49:00 - [16] - Quote I was thinking that but I wanted to follow the armor pattern. How about Minmatar 70hp/s and Caldari 50hp/s? AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
Toby Flenderson research lab 252	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:53:00 - [17] - Quote I like this idea a lot but I would have no idea what numbers to use. I would be inclined to suggest something between what you suggested and what the suits currently have. I agree with the logic though fo sure.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6381	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:54:00 - [18] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: I was thinking that but I wanted to follow the armor pattern. How about Minmatar 70hp/s and Caldari 50hp/s? It also isn't worth 20hp/s. At the minimum I would say regen should match. Minmatar are still speedy, it isn't like they lose HP for nothing. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8994	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:03:00 - [19] - Quote I am not against this. I think your numbers are a bit high, no suit should have more than 5hp/s of base armor regen. Actually I think I support this. +1 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6823	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:30:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: According to Iron Wolf Saber, the role of the Assault Suit is to constantly push forward, constantly keep the enemy suppressed, just all around make their lives a living hell. In order to do that, Assault suits need to be regenerative. They just have to be, you can't constantly push forward if you have to stop every 5 seconds for 30 seconds to lick your wounds. Hence why I'm suggesting Assault suits to have much higher regeneration than even 1.8 scout suits. For those that don't know, Caldari scouts will have a shield regeneration rate of 50hp/s, while Gallente scouts will have an armor regeneration rate of 3hp/s. Sentinels will have shields 30hp/s on Caldari, and armor 1hp/s on Gallente. That leaves Medium frames somewhere inbetween. However, I think Assault suits should be the exception in the medium frame category, their regeneration should be above that of a scout suit. Some random numbers I've been thinking about: Caldari Assault: 70hp/s on shields, 1hp/s on armor Minmatar: 60hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 50hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 40hp/s on shields, 7hp/s on armor DISCLAIMBER: These are numbers I pulled out of my arse, I did not do the math, I have no idea what the consequences of these exact numbers would be, don't crucify me over it. Commando has the role of long range suppressive demon. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 624	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:58:00 - [21] - Quote I like this idea Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 317	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:24:00 - [22] - Quote I agree but the bonuses should be to modules Amarr: Armor Plate bonus Caldari: Extender bonus Minmatar: Recharger bonus Gallente: Armor Repairer bonus 32db Mad Bomber.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 58	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:30:00 - [23] - Quote by doing this, you are favoring one fighting style over another. not all that balanced. you can go assault defensively or offensively. there is more than on way to skin a cat. the current bonuses really dont favor either, and therefore allow players to fight in the style they are most comfortable with.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3410	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:43:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: According to Iron Wolf Saber, the role of the Assault Suit is to constantly push forward, constantly keep the enemy suppressed, just all around make their lives a living hell. In order to do that, Assault suits need to be regenerative. They just have to be, you can't constantly push forward if you have to stop every 5 seconds for 30 seconds to lick your wounds. Hence why I'm suggesting Assault suits to have much higher regeneration than even 1.8 scout suits. For those that don't know, Caldari scouts will have a shield regeneration rate of 50hp/s, while Gallente scouts will have an armor regeneration rate of 3hp/s. Sentinels will have shields 30hp/s on Caldari, and armor 1hp/s on Gallente. That leaves Medium frames somewhere inbetween. However, I think Assault suits should be the exception in the medium frame category, their regeneration should be above that of a scout suit. Some random numbers I've been thinking about: Caldari Assault: 70hp/s on shields, 1hp/s on armor Minmatar: 60hp/s on shields, 2hp/s on armor Amarr: 50hp/s on shields, 4hp/s on armor Gallente Assault: 40hp/s on shields, 7hp/s on armor DISCLAIMBER: These are numbers I pulled out of my arse, I did not do the math, I have no idea what the consequences of these exact numbers would be, don't crucify me over it. We still don't know what the new suit stats are, so maybe there will be some regen present on the suits? They also folded the old profile bonus from scouts into the suits themselves, and so they might try adding the old shield recharge bonus onto the base suits. That said, it's entirely possible that IWS just speaks for himself rather than the CPM or CCP. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 639	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:45:00 - [25] - Quote The problem then becomes, what's the use of the rep tool? Passive regen needs to be a shield tanking thing, and armor needs to be a buffer tanking thing. I like your idea of shields constantly regenerating through fire at 3 second intervals, but slightly lower the Regan rate. Have regulators reduce the time between regents. So a 50% regulator reduces the regen to every 1.5 seconds. Energizers would increase the amount regened, so more shield every 3 seconds. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:55:00 - [26] - Quote if they would go off EVE online then, the the Amarr would get 4% armor resistance per level and the Caldari would get 4% shield resistance per level. the gallente would get the 7.5% armor repair bonus per level and the Minmatar would get faster shield recharge. they would also get bonuses to fit their weapons better and a bonus to make them more effective.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 277	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:22:00 - [27] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Texs Red wrote: General12912 wrote: each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense. I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP. Minmatar is speed Gallente is armor and repair Amarr is high armor Caldari is shields and repair Wrong. If you take a look at the minmatar ships in eve speed is just something they kind of have - but the ships that do have some type of repair bonus get a bonus to shield boosters. If anything gallente are speed oriented as they had a lot of ships with bonuses to microwarp drives. Caldari are prettymuch just flat shields - their fleets like to run basilisks which remote rep shields.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 58	Posted - 2014.02.10 10:40:00 - [28] - Quote Texs Red wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Texs Red wrote: General12912 wrote: each race has their own idea on what assault should be. minmatar/caldari favor offense and higher hp regen, amarr and gallente favor defense. I am pretty sure that is incorrect. Minmatar and Gallente favor hp regeneration while Caldari and Amarr favor large amounts of HP. Minmatar is speed Gallente is armor and repair Amarr is high armor Caldari is shields and repair Minmatar don't rely strictly on speed and the Caldari don't focus on repair. The Caldari are more about having a big shield buffer (Rokh and Drake come to mind) where as the Minmatar like active shield regeneration (Like the Maelstrom and the Vagabond). General12912 wrote: minmatar suit are for hit and run tactics. they kill, depend on their fast hp regen to fully recoverr while usually hiding, and kill again. that is why they have extra speed. for running Caldari favor shields. shields regenerate faster than armor. Gallente and Amarr are both armor tanks, however, Amarr like extremely strong armor, Gallente like tanking with faster regen with not as much armor. but they both prefer defense. they are both tankers, just two different kinds of tankers. Gallente favor skirmish warfare and the Caldari siege warfare. All you have to do is look at the Command ships in EVE, Caldari get bonuses to Information and Siege warfare while Gallente get bonuses to Armor and Skirmish Warfare. In medeval terms: Caldari and Amarr like to sit in castles while the Gallente and Minmatar raid the country side on horses. The Minmatar excel at skirmish warfare by speed and a hailstorm of bullets, Gallente do so by stealth and misdirection so they can get up close to wipe them out with superior CQC ability you are looking at two different aspects now. you are comparing suit ideals to actual battle tactics.
X7 lion Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 109	Posted - 2014.02.10 11:46:00 - [29] - Quote no, thats what the leash is for. I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1882	Posted - 2014.02.10 11:53:00 - [30] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The problem then becomes, what's the use of the rep tool? Passive regen needs to be a shield tanking thing, and armor needs to be a buffer tanking thing. I like your idea of shields constantly regenerating through fire at 3 second intervals, but slightly lower the Regan rate. Have regulators reduce the time between regents. So a 50% regulator reduces the regen to every 1.5 seconds. Energizers would increase the amount regened, so more shield every 3 seconds. What I said was just a bunch of random numbers that are easy to compare. As for the regulators they should definitely not do that that would cause a massive imbalance they should reduce the long depleted delay. As for repair tools they will remain useful because for a Gallente to get that level of repair they have to sacrifice their HP. Regardless it is a silly idea so don't speculate much on it... Armor and Shields are not the same!



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