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John Demonsbane wrote:

If you take the new universal bonus to equipment, and make a proportionate decrease in suit CPU/PG, you can still make a decent support fit.

Just for the sake of argument with easy maths, let's say you get 2 people to make fittings with a suit with 300 CPU.

Player 1: I am a proper logi, and have used 200 for modules/weapons and 100 for equipment.

Player 2: Umad bro? I only roll killer bee style, get rid of that nerd equipment and gimme all 300 for modules and weapons.

Now, you apply the new equipment bonus but drop the available CPU to 275 and try to make the same fits:

Player 1: No problem my good man, my equipment now only costs me 75 CPU so I still have 200 for modules/weapon. See you on the field of battle!

Player 2: wtf? With 25 less CPU I can only run 2 complex damage mods! I want a respec b/c you nerfed my suit after listening to all the crybabies on the forums! U suck CCP!

(p.s. This fixes things better than the OP or giving assaults a 2 equip slot... Terribad idea, that)

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Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 263	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:12:00 - [1] - Quote Separate on CPU/PG that can be use on equipment slots only, and second group that can be used on all other slots. Benefits: I think it will bring benefits to balance between Logistics and Assault suit because It will force all Logistics to spend their(currently) extra CPU/PG on equipment regardless of whether they wish it or not. Of course they may not fit any equipment at all and cut ISK expenses, but at other hand they may fit militia stuff there without regret that militia things uses too much CPU/PG, and use it on battlefield from time to time when it is needed. That pool of CPU/PG on Assault dropsuit could be balanced in way that Assault require to cooperate with Logistic. But why? Current situation look like that - Assault guy is choosing to skill up Logistic for purpose of using all those extra CPU/PG for what he couldn't fit on his Assault dropsuit, he does not need all those equipment slot so much. This makes him Assault T2 in Logistic dropsuit. I think that introducing this 'splitting' mechanic will help to reduce Logistics immortality, and will improve Logibro usefulness to team. So what do you think? I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1907	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:21:00 - [2] - Quote The reduction to fitting cost to equipment coupled with the virtually inevitable reduction in overall CPU/PG of the logi suits does it in a simpler way. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2074	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:21:00 - [3] - Quote I think the same logic should be applied to Assaults then. A certain amount of their CPU/PG designated for weapon use only. Perhaps 50% of the total CPU/PG? That way a proto assault suit would always have PRO weapons and bad modules since assaults aren't meant to HP tank. It doesn't feel good to hear that I bet...-_- I disapprove of your suggestion.0 Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 263	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:41:00 - [4] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: The reduction to fitting cost to equipment coupled with the virtually inevitable reduction in overall CPU/PG of the logi suits does it in a simpler way. No, because reduction to fitting cost to equipment is beneficial for everyone that have equipment slot, and cutting Logibro total CPU/PG is punishment meant for people that use Logistic suit as Assault T2 suit and bunch of those innocent with were actually Logibro. Fizzer94 wrote: I think the same logic should be applied to Assaults then. A certain amount of their CPU/PG designated for weapon use only. Perhaps 50% of the total CPU/PG? That way a proto assault suit would always have PRO weapons and bad modules since assaults aren't meant to HP tank. It doesn't feel good to hear that I bet...-_- I disapprove of your suggestion.0 It seems to me that you did not understand: Me idea was to prevent Logistics from sacrificing equipment slots to gain advantage over other suits in ordinary slots. Your idea is already in game dude, full-proto Assault have weak equipments modules. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6768	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:59:00 - [5] - Quote But the idea here is to allow any suit to fit as they damn well please while still encouraging the use of their roles for best effectiveness. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1915	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:32:00 - [6] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The reduction to fitting cost to equipment coupled with the virtually inevitable reduction in overall CPU/PG of the logi suits does it in a simpler way. No, because reduction to fitting cost to equipment is beneficial for everyone that have equipment slot, and cutting Logibro total CPU/PG is punishment meant for people that use Logistic suit as Assault T2 suit and bunch of those innocent with were actually Logibro. . What? I don't think you quite understand the planned bonus. It's only to logi suits, it doesn't benefit assault or scout suits at all. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6325	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:44:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: I think the same logic should be applied to Assaults then. A certain amount of their CPU/PG designated for weapon use only. Perhaps 50% of the total CPU/PG? That way a proto assault suit would always have PRO weapons and bad modules since assaults aren't meant to HP tank. It doesn't feel good to hear that I bet...-_- I disapprove of your suggestion.0 PRO weapons don't take even nearly half the CPU/PG of an assault suit. Try again. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 263	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:25:00 - [8] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: The reduction to fitting cost to equipment coupled with the virtually inevitable reduction in overall CPU/PG of the logi suits does it in a simpler way. No, because reduction to fitting cost to equipment is beneficial for everyone that have equipment slot, and cutting Logibro total CPU/PG is punishment meant for people that use Logistic suit as Assault T2 suit and bunch of those innocent with were actually Logibro. . What? I don't think you quite understand the planned bonus. It's only to logi suits, it doesn't benefit assault or scout suits at all. You were referring to "Logistics [5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment]" now I get it. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1917	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:35:00 - [9] - Quote Correct. Here's an example I put in another thread: John Demonsbane wrote: If you take the new universal bonus to equipment, and make a proportionate decrease in suit CPU/PG, you can still make a decent support fit. Just for the sake of argument with easy maths, let's say you get 2 people to make fittings with a suit with 300 CPU. Player 1: I am a proper logi, and have used 200 for modules/weapons and 100 for equipment. Player 2: Umad bro? I only roll killer bee style, get rid of that nerd equipment and gimme all 300 for modules and weapons. Now, you apply the new equipment bonus but drop the available CPU to 275 and try to make the same fits: Player 1: No problem my good man, my equipment now only costs me 75 CPU so I still have 200 for modules/weapon. See you on the field of battle! Player 2: wtf? With 25 less CPU I can only run 2 complex damage mods! I want a respec b/c you nerfed my suit after listening to all the crybabies on the forums! U suck CCP! (p.s. This fixes things better than the OP or giving assaults a 2 equip slot... Terribad idea, that) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 263	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:48:00 - [10] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Correct. Here's an example I put in another thread: John Demonsbane wrote: If you take the new universal bonus to equipment, and make a proportionate decrease in suit CPU/PG, you can still make a decent support fit. Just for the sake of argument with easy maths, let's say you get 2 people to make fittings with a suit with 300 CPU. Player 1: I am a proper logi, and have used 200 for modules/weapons and 100 for equipment. Player 2: Umad bro? I only roll killer bee style, get rid of that nerd equipment and gimme all 300 for modules and weapons. Now, you apply the new equipment bonus but drop the available CPU to 275 and try to make the same fits: Player 1: No problem my good man, my equipment now only costs me 75 CPU so I still have 200 for modules/weapon. See you on the field of battle! Player 2: wtf? With 25 less CPU I can only run 2 complex damage mods! I want a respec b/c you nerfed my suit after listening to all the crybabies on the forums! U suck CCP! It's definitely easier mechanic to be implement rather than creating new one.. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.

General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 56	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:55:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: I think the same logic should be applied to Assaults then. A certain amount of their CPU/PG designated for weapon use only. Perhaps 50% of the total CPU/PG? That way a proto assault suit would always have PRO weapons and bad modules since assaults aren't meant to HP tank. It doesn't feel good to hear that I bet...-_- I disapprove of your suggestion.0 nothing wrong with protostomping theu added such suits for a reason. and certain suits are made for hp tanking. looks at the Amarr prototype suits. it only makes sense to use proto with proto. prototype is pretty expensive. may as well be well defended if you are going to lug 200k isk suits around
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1919	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:14:00 - [12] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: There two group of Logistics - those who sacrifice low-slots for CPU/PG upgrades as primary to fit decent equipment, and those who sacrifice equipment slot in order to fit really-decent tank. I think that "5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment" will be beneficial for both of them. Is it good for us? It all depends on how they reduce the CPU/PG. The smart way to do it would be to build a large variety of common support-oriented logi suit fittings, calculate what the bonus would shave off, average that, and then reduce the total CPU/PG of the suit by a little bit less, to give a margin of error. This way, slayer logis (your second group) get hit a lot worse than support logis in 1.8. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2085	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:28:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: I think the same logic should be applied to Assaults then. A certain amount of their CPU/PG designated for weapon use only. Perhaps 50% of the total CPU/PG? That way a proto assault suit would always have PRO weapons and bad modules since assaults aren't meant to HP tank. It doesn't feel good to hear that I bet...-_- I disapprove of your suggestion.0 PRO weapons don't take even nearly half the CPU/PG of an assault suit. Try again. There needs to be enough room for someone to fit whatever weapons they want. Such as: Viziam Scrambler Rifle + Carthum Scrambler Pistol + Wiyrakomi AV Grenades (a lot of PG) Allotek Plasma Cannon + Core Flaylock Pistol + Allotek Flux Grenade (a lot of CPU) Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response


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