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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:24:00 -
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So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:27:00 -
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I always thought flux grenades were meant for shield tanks. Maybe they should add the homing feature to them and then add a reduced damage type of flux for infantry and equipment.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:31:00 -
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Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here.
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:31:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here.
A shield tanked suit with no shields is as good as dead.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:33:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns.
Flux grenades are a caldari sentinel's best friend. They completely wipe out it's shield so that it only has to wait 1 sec (or less) for shield to start recharging. IF they are left with shield though, they have to wait 4 times as long.
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:33:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns. Flux grenades are a caldari sentinel's best friend. They completely wipe out it's shield so that it only has to wait 1 sec (or less) for shield to start recharging. IF they are left with shield though, they have to wait 4 times as long.
That 1 second depleted delay was a typo.
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Scheneighnay McBob
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:34:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here. A shield tanked suit with no shields is as good as dead.
Caldari are meant to fight at long range.
As far as how things are meant to work, a Caldari suit within grenade range, fighting Gallente stuff, is already as good as dead.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:34:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns. Flux grenades are a caldari sentinel's best friend. They completely wipe out it's shield so that it only has to wait 1 sec (or less) for shield to start recharging. IF they are left with shield though, they have to wait 4 times as long.
Yeah, people may actually flux themselves. LOL
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:35:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here. A shield tanked suit with no shields is as good as dead.
Except it isn't.
Because you'll have a good 400 armour to back that up, and your shields will regenerate immediately on being fluxed.
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Xender17
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:35:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns. Flux grenades are a caldari sentinel's best friend. They completely wipe out it's shield so that it only has to wait 1 sec (or less) for shield to start recharging. IF they are left with shield though, they have to wait 4 times as long.
sense... fluxes have none.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:38:00 -
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I would love a infantry flux grenade that explodes on impact to deal 120% damage to shields doing 200dmg at standard 350at adv and 500dmg at proto. Blast radius similar to locus grenades.
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:41:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here. A shield tanked suit with no shields is as good as dead. Except it isn't. Because you'll have a good 400 armour to back that up, and your shields will regenerate immediately on being fluxed.
400 armor is nothing when a CR does 500 base DPS to armor without damage mods
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:42:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here. A shield tanked suit with no shields is as good as dead. Except it isn't. Because you'll have a good 400 armour to back that up, and your shields will regenerate immediately on being fluxed. 400 armor is nothing when a CR does 500 base DPS to armor without damage mods
Then there should be no issue with the Gal Sentinel, hm?
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here. A shield tanked suit with no shields is as good as dead. Except it isn't. Because you'll have a good 400 armour to back that up, and your shields will regenerate immediately on being fluxed. 400 armor is nothing when a CR does 500 base DPS to armor without damage mods Then there should be no issue with the Gal Sentinel, hm?
The issue is with STD fluxes wiping out all of any suits shields only proto fluxes should wipe out all of a fully shield tanked caldari sentinel's shields. What would you think if a STD locus grendade took out 75% of a gallente sentiel's HP?
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:46:00 -
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Debunking time.
Core locus grenades do 600 damage. GalSentinel gets 390/525 shields/armor. Assuming the Gal maxes his skills, he has 487/656 eHP. So 25% blast damage reduction, and 80% vs shields/120% vs armor weapon type multiplier. First grenade does 360 damage, second does 152 to armor after breaking what's left of shields, third grenade does 540. Killing the sentinel.
Three core locus grenades will, in fact, kill a GalSentinel, even if it is a close thing.
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:48:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Debunking time.
Core locus grenades do 600 damage. GalSentinel gets 390/525 shields/armor. Assuming the Gal maxes his skills, he has 487/656 eHP. So 25% blast damage reduction, and 80% vs shields/120% vs armor weapon type multiplier. First grenade does 360 damage, second does 152 to armor after breaking what's left of shields, third grenade does 540. Killing the sentinel.
Three core locus grenades will, in fact, kill a GalSentinel, even if it is a close thing.
So you're not putting any plates on your gallente sentinel?
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:01:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:#1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:07:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns.
Calda sentinel is NOT a brick shield tanking.
Once his shield is depleted he cover ONE SECOND (it's not a typo error) and his shield start regen.
With some nasty energizer he can go for 60/70 hp/s.
So to resume a Calda sentinel can be back up in 5/6 sec FULL LIFE.
And actually 2 core locus would kill a Proto Gallente sentinel.
While 50000000 flux won't kill the Calda Sentinel.
3 core locus WON'T kill a Calda sentinel neither.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:20:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here.
i have goten 2 kills to date with fluxes dont ask how idk but it said it on the killfeed
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Scheneighnay McBob
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:34:00 -
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Seriously? Everyone is just going to ignore the obvious point that Caldari suits aren't even supposed to be within grenade range anyway?
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Ivy Zalinto
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:38:00 -
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Flux grenades are kinda working as intended and have never really had issues. So your a shield tank...how often do you really run into fluxes rather than locus grenades. They work to even the playing field for my suit vs caldari suits, but dont do a damn thing vs armor tankers. So yeah...bring the right counter into the fight seems like their fine to me in this regard...
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:39:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:43:00 -
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The difference is that locus grenades are effective against shields and armor. Sure the locus grenade is LESS effective against shields but it still works. Flux grenades have 0% effectiveness against armor, thus...balanced. And this is from someone who is planning on running a Caldari commando.
To those who are saying that Caldari sentinel shouldn't be in close....where is the heavy Caldari anti infantry weapon? They kind of have to be in close or relegated to forge guns and light weapons ATM
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:45:00 -
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Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Fluxes don't kill.
Your Argument---->Drain... it goes down here. i have goten 2 kills to date with fluxes dont ask how idk but it said it on the killfeed
There used to be a glitch where Fluxes could get kills if the target was jumping when the flux went off.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:18:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:So one standard flux will be able to take away all of the shields from a proto caldari sentinel... but 3 core locus grenades won't kill a gallente sentinel. CCP this should be addressed unless you want the caldari sentinel to be only useful for stacking damage mods on forge guns. Flux grenades are a caldari sentinel's best friend. They completely wipe out it's shield so that it only has to wait 1 sec (or less) for shield to start recharging. IF they are left with shield though, they have to wait 4 times as long. That 1 second depleted delay was a typo.
Wrong it was confirmed not a typo
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