DUST Search - No ROF/DMG boost for assault = slayer logi still reigns supreme

Bethhy wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

if the DPS class isn't DPS based it will be useless... period..

And watch it happen.

If this is the case no one i know will be an Assault anymore the class is dead.

And i have been a pure Assault since Uprising launch.. there will be no point anymore ;) scout here I come.

Scout and Heavy 514 in 1.8

Increased magazine size, faster reload speed, reduced heat buildup, and more accuracy are all indirect buffs to DPS. They all allow you to put more fire on the enemy.

We have all that right now? it does jack ****.. we had reload speed they had to nerf it.. The heat build up is gun mechanic breaking and massively abusable more then added dps...

More accuracy? are you kidding me? who the hell needed that?

This will kill the suit period.

Argue what you want but making a DPS class more of the same while buffing everything else will make it useless and the class is dead.

I still don't want a respec. I'll let those skills sit in monument to when the Assault was actually a useful class... but I know i can't be an Assault and stay competitive in 1.8 so scout here I come.

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iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:08:00 - [1] - Quote Reload speed? Light weapon CPU reduction? Really? You think .2 seconds off a reload is somehow going to make assaults slay better than logis with 1000 EHP and triple damage mods? What a joke.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 631	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:12:00 - [2] - Quote Slayer Logi's are so easily fixed it boggles the mind why they are still an issue.. Stop allowing these scrubs to equip basic equipment on a Pro suit Think about it... Any player that gives a damn about being Logi runs good equipment All the guys that wanted an assault with passive rep run compact hives.... Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 707	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:13:00 - [3] - Quote Herp-Derp not taking into account likely slot change as part of rebalance Derp-Derp. Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 217	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:26:00 - [4] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Herp-Derp not taking into account likely slot change as part of rebalance Derp-Derp. Valid point. Plus, if I can carry a comparably better weapon due to CPU and PG reduction, I think I can kill better.. Especially if I throw in one of those nifty LP Specialist weapons, Light Weapons will cost practically nothing, allowing for better modules to be used. P.A.I.R.- Pilot Against Invisible RDVs.
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 46	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:28:00 - [5] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: Herp-Derp not taking into account likely slot change as part of rebalance Derp-Derp. Valid point. Plus, if I can carry a comparably better weapon due to CPU and PG reduction, I think I can kill better.. Especially if I throw in one of those nifty LP Specialist weapons, Light Weapons will cost practically nothing, allowing for better modules to be used. Yeah being able to equip one extra armor plate isn't going to stop 1k EHP slayer logis standing in triage hives from destroying you.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution 705	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:31:00 - [6] - Quote I would love to see the purposed slot layout changes to the assault and logi before they go live. I think that as a community we could come up with a reasonable setup for both suits that would allow the logi's to still be a viable support class and have enough slots to be able to survive well enough to actually support the assaults and heavies without overshadowing them in the slayer role. Also it would give us all a chance to help build the assault suit to actually be the slayer that its supposed to be, thus reducing the incentive for players to just grab said logi and slap a bunch of damage mods on. Still an advocate of removing the logi suits ability to even have damage mods, but I know that isn't going to happen. (Yes, I run Min logi with a CR) In rust we trust. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:35:00 - [7] - Quote Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) you maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool.
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 46	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:47:00 - [8] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor....
The Infected One Fatal Absolution 707	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:52:00 - [9] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. While this is true, if the slot layout doesn't match the suit and stats, people will still overlook the bonus and build towards one or the other. Look at what happened in closed beta when proto assaults had 2 equipment slots. We only had Caldari assault, or Minmatar logistics and the Caldari had better speed, tank, a side arm, and the 2nd equipment over the Minmatar logistics squishy slow build. This caused a lot of players to pick up the logi role in an assault suit, sacrificing 1 equipment slot for all the other buffs listed above. The assault suit overshadowed the logi suit in being a support role, so people picked it over the logi suit, what we have now is simply the reverse. IMHO its largely due to damage mods being stacked on the logi suits. As I've stated in the above post, I believe that as a community we can come up with a reasonable design to keep both parties happy, without having one suit perform better in the others intended role, while still keeping enough versatility in each suit so that one doesn't become completely useless. I know the general thought is that assaults should kill everything, and logis should just sit back and keep everyone supplied and repaired, but look at a field medic in the military. They go through the same training as a straight up soldier, but they branch off after a point and go down the life preservation path. It doesn't mean that they are totally ineffective in a fire fight in the ways of defending themselves, or even engaging the enemy along side with the front line soldiers, but rather they are still closely similar to the front line soldiers, only with a medical specialization rather than one focusing on weaponry. Edit: You shouldn't be seeing a field medic running with an M249 instead of an emergency triage kit. Just my thoughts on the matter. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 708	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:52:00 - [10] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor.... Until you realize that nanotubes have been nerfed and to get best performance need to use CalLogi Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy

Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:08:00 - [11] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor.... Until you realize that nanotubes have been nerfed and to get best performance need to use CalLogi Precisely. And can a cal logi using a piece of proto equipment designed to support armor tankers be said to not be fulfilling their role as a logi? Assaults will be fine.
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:10:00 - [12] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor.... Until you realize that nanotubes have been nerfed and to get best performance need to use CalLogi Precisely. And can a cal logi using a piece of proto equipment designed to support armor tankers be said to not be fulfilling their role as a logi? Assaults will be fine. 400 shield 600 armor double damage mod cal logi sitting in triage hives that rep faster than ever doesn't bother you?
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2012	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:12:00 - [13] - Quote OP is ridiculous. The new assault bonuses are head and shoulders ( knees and toes, too) better than the new Logi bonuses for slaying. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2012	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:14:00 - [14] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor.... Until you realize that nanotubes have been nerfed and to get best performance need to use CalLogi Precisely. And can a cal logi using a piece of proto equipment designed to support armor tankers be said to not be fulfilling their role as a logi? Assaults will be fine. 400 shield 600 armor double damage mod cal logi sitting in triage hives that rep faster than ever doesn't bother you? Equip flux grenades. I've never had a problem with triage hives because I use flux. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4436	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:16:00 - [15] - Quote Did they change the assault rof bonus? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2012	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:17:00 - [16] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Did they change the assault rof bonus? Yes. It is now a weapons fitting bonus. -5% CPU/PG for light/sidarms weapons per level. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
HYENAKILLER X KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 557	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:18:00 - [17] - Quote Assaults need armore rep and fire rate bonus. You are welcome for my leadership. Proven Aggressive Type I have spoken.
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 90	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor.... Until you realize that nanotubes have been nerfed and to get best performance need to use CalLogi Precisely. And can a cal logi using a piece of proto equipment designed to support armor tankers be said to not be fulfilling their role as a logi? Assaults will be fine. 400 shield 600 armor double damage mod cal logi sitting in triage hives that rep faster than ever doesn't bother you? No,because his assault opponent gets a 25% reduction to his weapon fitting reqs, a bonus to his weapon, and if he teams up with his own logi friend can also get all the benefits of a triage hive (along with everyone else in the squad). He also has better base stats, is faster, and has more stamina. You're really overreacting. Fizzer94 wrote: Equip flux grenades. I've never had a problem with triage hives because I use flux. And this.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1130	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:47:00 - [19] - Quote if the DPS class isn't DPS based it will be useless... period.. And watch it happen. If this is the case no one i know will be an Assault anymore the class is dead.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2014	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:54:00 - [20] - Quote Bethhy wrote: if the DPS class isn't DPS based it will be useless... period.. And watch it happen. If this is the case no one i know will be an Assault anymore the class is dead. And i have been a pure Assault since Uprising launch.. there will be no point anymore ;) scout here I come. Scout and Heavy 514 in 1.8 Increased magazine size, faster reload speed, reduced heat buildup, and more accuracy are all indirect buffs to DPS. They all allow you to put more fire on the enemy. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 421	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:02:00 - [21] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Reload speed? Light weapon CPU reduction? Really? You think .2 seconds off a reload is somehow going to make assaults slay better than logis with 1000 EHP and triple damage mods? What a joke. People like you that makes "conclusion" without reading ALL is getting boring BUT i'm gonna explain why the "slayer logi" is now TOTALLY DEAD. Logistics suits is going to receive a HUGE nerf to PG/CPU. Now that they have their fitting cost for equipements "reduced" they can fit their equipements way easily. BUT it means this bonus comes with a PG/CPU reduction on their suits. Like that they can fit all the equipements they want BUT they're not able to fit lot of enhanced/complex mods. This AND the fact they have base stats lower in all parts than assaults makes them IMPOSSIBLE to equal an assaults with same skills. YES a Proto Logi will outperform a STD/Militia Assault but this is normal don't you think ? If you have questions you can ask . (especially if you don't belive me or think they will still be able to be better than assaults.)
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 663	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:03:00 - [22] - Quote Are you f**king kidding me? The logi bonuses are garbage now. ESPECIALLY for making a layer logi. With a 25% reduction to light and sidearm weapon CPU AND PG you are going to be able to make nearly as buff an assault with a better weapon, grenade, and sidearm. It will also move faster. Anyone wanting to play slayer logi after 1.8 is seriously just gimping themselves. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1131	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:04:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Bethhy wrote: if the DPS class isn't DPS based it will be useless... period.. And watch it happen. If this is the case no one i know will be an Assault anymore the class is dead. And i have been a pure Assault since Uprising launch.. there will be no point anymore ;) scout here I come. Scout and Heavy 514 in 1.8 Increased magazine size, faster reload speed, reduced heat buildup, and more accuracy are all indirect buffs to DPS. They all allow you to put more fire on the enemy. We have all that right now? it does jack ****.. we had reload speed they had to nerf it.. The heat build up is gun mechanic breaking and massively abusable more then added dps... More accuracy? are you kidding me? who the hell needed that? This will kill the suit period. Argue what you want but making a DPS class more of the same while buffing everything else will make it useless and the class is dead. I still don't want a respec. I'll let those skills sit in monument to when the Assault was actually a useful class... but I know i can't be an Assault and stay competitive in 1.8 so scout here I come.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2017	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:12:00 - [24] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Bethhy wrote: if the DPS class isn't DPS based it will be useless... period.. And watch it happen. If this is the case no one i know will be an Assault anymore the class is dead. And i have been a pure Assault since Uprising launch.. there will be no point anymore ;) scout here I come. Scout and Heavy 514 in 1.8 Increased magazine size, faster reload speed, reduced heat buildup, and more accuracy are all indirect buffs to DPS. They all allow you to put more fire on the enemy. We have all that right now? it does jack ****.. we had reload speed they had to nerf it.. The heat build up is gun mechanic breaking and massively abusable more then added dps... More accuracy? are you kidding me? who the hell needed that? This will kill the suit period. Argue what you want but making a DPS class more of the same while buffing everything else will make it useless and the class is dead. I still don't want a respec. I'll let those skills sit in monument to when the Assault was actually a useful class... but I know i can't be an Assault and stay competitive in 1.8 so scout here I come. Whatever. Be a grouch if you want. These new bonuses are statistical buffs over the current Assaults no matter how you look at it. It seem the Assaults suits role is to make up for the downsides of their racial weapons. I wouldn't be surprised to see ARs get their hipfire accuracy decreased, and RRs to get a smaller magazine size in 1.8 Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 49	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:14:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Are you f**king kidding me? The logi bonuses are garbage now. ESPECIALLY for making a layer logi. With a 25% reduction to light and sidearm weapon CPU AND PG you are going to be able to make nearly as buff an assault with a better weapon, grenade, and sidearm. It will also move faster. Anyone wanting to play slayer logi after 1.8 is seriously just gimping themselves. I'm guessing you don't have a max core skills proto suit. That minimal reduction to my light weapon will MAYBE give me 85 more EHP. THIS DOES NOT change the problem of logis having more slots, equipment, total health, rep ability, and damage.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1887	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:58:00 - [26] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: Assault and logi bonuses encourage you to max out the item in question (equipment or your weapon) to maximize your bonus. Any logi that forgoes his 25% pg CPU reduction on equipment to equip a better weapon is a fool. Unless you're a slayer logi and run only triage hives to rep your massive amount of armor.... you wont see a lot of armor tanked callogis without the passive rep. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution 1882	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:06:00 - [27] - Quote Derp Charlotte O'Dell is a liar, that's only a piece of corn & I'm the one and only majestic unicorn.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 663	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:17:00 - [28] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Are you f**king kidding me? The logi bonuses are garbage now. ESPECIALLY for making a layer logi. With a 25% reduction to light and sidearm weapon CPU AND PG you are going to be able to make nearly as buff an assault with a better weapon, grenade, and sidearm. It will also move faster. Anyone wanting to play slayer logi after 1.8 is seriously just gimping themselves. I'm guessing you don't have a max core skills proto suit. That minimal reduction to my light weapon will MAYBE give me 85 more EHP. THIS DOES NOT change the problem of logis having more slots, equipment, total health, rep ability, and damage. Yeah, I do, on both my characters I have Core upgrades, Elctronics, and engineering all to level 5. On my assault suit I am still always scrimping for an extra PG here or a dozen CPU there. For my assault character I'm happy with the new bonuses, it may keep me in my minmatar assault suit. As a logi I'm still pissed about the changes that are screwing logi bros because of assault logi jerkoffs. We logis are losing our passive armor reps, our equipment is getting nerfed (unless CCP comes to their senses and adds bonuses to the equipment skills) and likely we're getting CPU/PG nerfed. As it is with a PG upgrade I can run a mix of complex/enhanced modules, proto gun, and advanced equipment or complex/enhanced mods, advanced gun, and proto equipment. That is on gallente logi with level 5 in the suit. If they nerf logi PG/CPU this logibro is going on strike and you all can rep, revive, repair, and scan for your damn selves. If you want to wear a suit that doesn't take advantage of any of its bonuses, is slower than the corresponding assault, has a higher shield recharge delay, and is painted to be a giant target all so you can gain maybe 100-200 EHP at best...be my guest Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.


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