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Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3074	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:08:00 - [1] - Quote I don't like these new assault bonuses CCP. Encouraging players to put the same weapons on the same suits undermines the diversity and customisation of the game. I don't want to be able to know straight away that a Minmatar Assault has to be carrying a Combat Rifle just because they'd be giving up a bonus otherwise. Give them bonuses that compliment the suits! Something that makes them better at offence, without hindering their choice of weapons. Shield bonuses for the Caldari, armour bonuses for the Amarr/Gallente. The leaked speculative bonuses with ROF increases & module buffs were far more appealing. No.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6228	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:10:00 - [2] - Quote No, it's better to bonus the weapons. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2432	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:15:00 - [3] - Quote Its like EVE I could put lasers on my Drake but it would be useless because its skills are for missiles Intelligence is OP
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9128	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:18:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: No, it's better to bonus the weapons. I prefer having weapon bonuses to encourage suit/weapon synergy. This doesn't make it mandatory, but it does encourage it. Though I'd like to see those HP bonuses stay... ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3074	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:19:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: No, it's better to bonus the weapons. If you want a weapons specialist, you can always get a commando. No.
OZAROW 0uter.Heaven 1353	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Where's these supposed new bonuses? SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 176	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:25:00 - [7] - Quote I don't think any of the guys in china making this game have ever played eve or understand how it's supposed to work. Does gal still get 5% more armor per level?
Squagga The State Protectorate 174	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:25:00 - [8] - Quote Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Reloading, the silent killer.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6228	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:26:00 - [9] - Quote Squagga wrote: Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1852	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:30:00 - [10] - Quote Squagga wrote: Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Drugs are good eh? Armor and Shields are not the same!

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1567	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:30:00 - [11] - Quote I agree, bonus should be on the suits not on weapons or equipments, this is breaking the sandbox. 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Sgt Buttscratch 1474	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:31:00 - [12] - Quote **** be quiet!!!! Anything will be better than my current shield bonus... I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 706	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:33:00 - [13] - Quote Most people are forgetting that these bonuses will affect more than 1 weapon Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9133	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:33:00 - [14] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: I don't think any of the guys in china making this game have ever played eve or understand how it's supposed to work. Does gal still get 5% more armor per level? No, all HP bonuses have been axed. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1567	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:35:00 - [15] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Most people are forgetting that these bonuses will affect more than 1 weapon And logi? 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 196	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:35:00 - [16] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its like EVE I could put lasers on my Drake but it would be useless because its skills are for missiles Drakes have launcher hardpoints. Eve is even more restrictive than dust is. You couldnt even really use lasers cuz they are turrets and drakes use launchers. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 150	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:36:00 - [17] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: I don't think any of the guys in china making this game have ever played eve or understand how it's supposed to work. Does gal still get 5% more armor per level? gallente assault will be bonused to hybrid-blasters. (plasma rifle, plasma cannon,shotgun) and repair. (ha lol. hey logistics i herd you used to have repair bonus's.) gallente like armour but prefer active armour tankeing. i.e stong armour reps. compared to the amarrian bricks.
Squagga The State Protectorate 174	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:39:00 - [18] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Squagga wrote: Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Drugs are good eh? I know you little rejects don't know anything about negotiating. Don't you worry your pretty little heads. I'll handle this. Just sit back and talk **** while I do all the heavy lifting. As usual EDIT: Yes the drugs are good Reloading, the silent killer.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 706	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:47:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Reminds of the time I proposed a 50% buff to armor modules This was around 1.2 btw Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Squagga The State Protectorate 176	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:52:00 - [20] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Reminds of the time I proposed a 50% buff to armor modules This was around 1.2 btw Lulz. Mostly I was just bringing up a high number that I could later go lower on Reloading, the silent killer.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2417	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:54:00 - [21] - Quote I agree with the OP.....we shouldn't be limited to the weapons we use because of the suits that we've specced into. It takes away from the many different possibilities and customization of your dropsuit fit. 0 weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1298	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:57:00 - [22] - Quote having bonuses doesn't mean you can't put another weapon on, generic is what we have now, with 2 or 3 suits being the best suits to run because of max HP + dmg mods, don't worry with assaults because the next flavour of the patch will be heavies anyway :D
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 805	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:58:00 - [23] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Squagga wrote: Weapon bonuses should be for weapons. Suit module bonuses should be suits. I for one am all about Caldari getting a shield module bonus. 80% sounds reasonable to me Reminds of the time I proposed a 50% buff to armor modules This was around 1.2 btw LOL! I remember that. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3077	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:59:00 - [24] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: having bonuses doesn't mean you can't put another weapon on, generic is what we have now, with 2 or 3 suits being the best suits to run because of max HP + dmg mods, don't worry with assaults because the next flavour of the patch will be heavies anyway :D Of course. It just means you have to give up a major buff just to equip the weapon you want. No.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 168	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:02:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: I don't think any of the guys in china making this game have ever played eve or understand how it's supposed to work. Does gal still get 5% more armor per level? No, all HP bonuses have been axed. The HP and ROF bonuses were just what we needed but all the logi crybabies got us nerfed before the patch fucken came out. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Squagga The State Protectorate 176	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:03:00 - [26] - Quote Well I don't know about a major buff. We should be versatile. Also we should be getting bonuses for using the weapons of our race. I'm a Cal purist and I like that. I like how the Amarr get a bonus for having their suits and using their SCRs. I should get a damage bonus for using Rosie. Also the suit bonuses that we get should be something that we want. I want a shield bonus. Gallente would more than likely want an armor bonus. Matari would more than likely want a duct tape bonus. I don't think that a pots n pans bonus would be something they'd be opposed to Reloading, the silent killer.
Knight Solitaire Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:10:00 - [27] - Quote I like how it is, this is how it works in EVE. I'd like to see the Logi bonuses changed so that they effect all Min / Gal / Cal / Amarr equip (By this I mean, Amarr get a bonus to all current and upcoming Amarr Equipment, same with Cal, excluding the cloak, Min and Gal), a bonus that increases the effectiveness of one piece of Equip is just silly. Zatara scammed me out of all my ISK. He is too mean. Please someone feel sorry for me and send me ISK.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3077	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:12:00 - [28] - Quote Squagga wrote: Well I don't know about a major buff. We should be versatile. Also we should be getting bonuses for using the weapons of our race. I'm a Cal purist and I like that. I like how the Amarr get a bonus for having their suits and using their SCRs. I should get a damage bonus for using Rosie. Also the suit bonuses that we get should be something that we want. I want a shield bonus. Gallente would more than likely want an armor bonus. Matari would more than likely want a duct tape bonus. I don't think that a pots n pans bonus would be something they'd be opposed to Sounds like you want everything. No.
Squagga The State Protectorate 176	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:13:00 - [29] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: I like how it is, this is how it works in EVE. I'd like to see the Logi bonuses changed so that they effect all Min / Gal / Cal / Amarr equip (By this I mean, Amarr get a bonus to all current and upcoming Amarr Equipment, same with Cal, excluding the cloak, Min and Gal), a bonus that increases the effectiveness of one piece of Equip is just silly. Well I think that there should be general bonuses for suits that effect all things but specific things for racial suits using racial weapons. It gives us an incentive. If it was the same across the board now matter what you use ... then what's the point of choosing? Reloading, the silent killer.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 707	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:15:00 - [30] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: I like how it is, this is how it works in EVE. I'd like to see the Logi bonuses changed so that they effect all Min / Gal / Cal / Amarr equip (By this I mean, Amarr get a bonus to all current and upcoming Amarr Equipment, same with Cal, excluding the cloak, Min and Gal), a bonus that increases the effectiveness of one piece of Equip is just silly. I have a feeling that these bonuses will be updated as more equipment is added Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy

Squagga The State Protectorate 176	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:15:00 - [31] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Squagga wrote: Well I don't know about a major buff. We should be versatile. Also we should be getting bonuses for using the weapons of our race. I'm a Cal purist and I like that. I like how the Amarr get a bonus for having their suits and using their SCRs. I should get a damage bonus for using Rosie. Also the suit bonuses that we get should be something that we want. I want a shield bonus. Gallente would more than likely want an armor bonus. Matari would more than likely want a duct tape bonus. I don't think that a pots n pans bonus would be something they'd be opposed to Sounds like you want everything. Yes I want everything. I wan't racial bonuses for using my race. Kinda like how other people do. Yes that would pretty much cover everything. Idiot Reloading, the silent killer.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2007	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:16:00 - [32] - Quote If logis have to be generic and predictable, assaults should too. We get bonuses to specific equipment, you get bonuses for specific weapons. Tit for tat. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1298	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:17:00 - [33] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: having bonuses doesn't mean you can't put another weapon on, generic is what we have now, with 2 or 3 suits being the best suits to run because of max HP + dmg mods, don't worry with assaults because the next flavour of the patch will be heavies anyway :D Of course. It just means you have to give up a major buff just to equip the weapon you want. yes it does and thats how it should be, thats how it is in eve and this is an eve themed game in case you missed the memo moron.
Squagga The State Protectorate 176	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:24:00 - [34] - Quote Ok this arguing, yeah I did it. isn't really helping. Get to the point. What do you guys want out of the deal? Reloading, the silent killer.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3077	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:26:00 - [35] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: having bonuses doesn't mean you can't put another weapon on, generic is what we have now, with 2 or 3 suits being the best suits to run because of max HP + dmg mods, don't worry with assaults because the next flavour of the patch will be heavies anyway :D Of course. It just means you have to give up a major buff just to equip the weapon you want. yes it does and thats how it should be, thats how it is in eve and this is an eve themed game in case you missed the memo moron. This isn't Eve, and you can't agrue for a bad bonus just because another game has a similar bad bonus. It's a fallacy called argumentum ad populum . . . moron. No.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1362	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:28:00 - [36] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its like EVE I could put lasers on my Drake but it would be useless because its skills are for missiles laser drake is a bad idea, laser raven however, It doesn't get better than laser raven. on a more serious note I think it's a great that ccp is adding race specific bonuses. it just makes sense that a caldari suit is built to perform better with a caldari weapon. the caldari suit wasn't built to handle a laser and wouldn't have systems inplace to counter the unique problems posed by a laser. thus it wouldn't perform ass well with one. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3077	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:29:00 - [37] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: If logis have to be generic and predictable, assaults should too. We get bonuses to specific equipment, you get bonuses for specific weapons. Tit for tat. That's different. It's the same reason I don't object to the Commando bonuses: they are the specialists of their respective gear. For them it's not about the suit, but about maximising the abilities of those items. No.
Squagga The State Protectorate 178	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:33:00 - [38] - Quote Ok this thread isn't about racial bonuses. This thread is about assault class. So I'm guessing you guys seem to think that the assault class needs some kind of incentive? Well I'm not so sure about that considering the Logi class is getting a nerf ... just sayin Reloading, the silent killer.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:34:00 - [39] - Quote dude it is the freedom that is killn this game and what is pushn FOTM hard core . we needed more class or race only stuff . wth would a gal be usen a scrambler rifle . why would a logi be on the front line with out heavys or assaults ? i may not like every change but this bs of ppl has to stop lol wish it was more like race based . ammar use the stuff we use our stuff
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3077	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:37:00 - [40] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: dude it is the freedom that is killn this game and what is pushn FOTM hard core . we needed more class or race only stuff . wth would a gal be usen a scrambler rifle . why would a logi be on the front line with out heavys or assaults ? i may not like every change but this bs of ppl has to stop lol wish it was more like race based . ammar use the stuff we use our stuff Oh how I hope this is a troll. No.

VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:39:00 - [41] - Quote nope no trolly lol just my 2 cent
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 196	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:41:00 - [42] - Quote Assaults are generic grunts. They only shoot. If you wanna do more than there are many other options. Im sick of assault suits wanting to be able to do everything. Tank, damage, equips. Might as well just scrap all the suits and give assaults everything. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Squagga The State Protectorate 178	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:44:00 - [43] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: dude it is the freedom that is killn this game and what is pushn FOTM hard core . we needed more class or race only stuff . wth would a gal be usen a scrambler rifle . why would a logi be on the front line with out heavys or assaults ? i may not like every change but this bs of ppl has to stop lol wish it was more like race based . ammar use the stuff we use our stuff. i see soo many ppl running logi suits just for the slots its crazy . this is a step in the right direction and could be we need more to tone down all this crap ppl pull in a fps I agree with you. Yeah Logis should be on the front lines. But behind the people there supporting. I make it a point to shoot down dedicated LogiBros before engaging the rest of their squad. Why? It just makes fukkin sense! So yes I'm guilty of being a logi slayer. Why don't we just make assaults like they used to be then? Not trying to argue with you about this, but considering there are a bunch of threads about the RR right now. Let's just focus this one on the assault class Reloading, the silent killer.
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 172	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:46:00 - [44] - Quote Squagga wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: dude it is the freedom that is killn this game and what is pushn FOTM hard core . we needed more class or race only stuff . wth would a gal be usen a scrambler rifle . why would a logi be on the front line with out heavys or assaults ? i may not like every change but this bs of ppl has to stop lol wish it was more like race based . ammar use the stuff we use our stuff. i see soo many ppl running logi suits just for the slots its crazy . this is a step in the right direction and could be we need more to tone down all this crap ppl pull in a fps I agree with you. Yeah Logis should be on the front lines. But behind the people there supporting. I make it a point to shoot down dedicated LogiBros before engaging the rest of their squad. Why? It just makes fukkin sense! So yes I'm guilty of being a logi slayer. Why don't we just make assaults like they used to be then? Not trying to argue with you about this, but considering there are a bunch of threads about the RR right now. Let's just focus this one on the assault class I shoot the Logi first also and I'm a Logi...
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:49:00 - [45] - Quote nono i wasnt ragn on it was just in general was sayn ,because we dont have eough structure in game is why so much of this happens . with out structure you have choas and on here that equals fotm . sry if it came out wrong
Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1300	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:06:00 - [46] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a fallacy called argumentum ad populum . . . moron. oh noes hes using latin hes like a super smarty pants and I better back off before he like nerd pwns me or something... Yeah, your argument has no chance, racial bonuses are coming and I for one love it.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3079	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:19:00 - [47] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a fallacy called argumentum ad populum . . . moron. oh noes hes using latin hes like a super smarty pants and I better back off before he like nerd pwns me or something... Yeah, your argument has no chance, racial bonuses are coming and I for one love it. And yet you can't defend them in the slightest. You should be very proud. No.
Squagga The State Protectorate 181	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:21:00 - [48] - Quote This is some productive **** Reloading, the silent killer.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 178	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:25:00 - [49] - Quote Have new stats been released? Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
HYENAKILLER X KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 558	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:26:00 - [50] - Quote Ide way rather have rate of fire or sheild buff for suits. Weapon cpu/pg decrease is "ok" but right now the only way to sell me assault suits is the side arm slot. You are welcome for my leadership. Proven Aggressive Type I have spoken.

Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 424	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:41:00 - [51] - Quote ITT: lots of people that are clueless about New Eden. Suits getting bonuses to weapons is perfect. The Empress cries every time she sees one of her suits brandishing a lesser weapon. Weapon bonuses do not stop you from putting different weapons on suits. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.


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