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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:13:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813024#post1813024
The Amarrians complained about the ROF because it wouldn't affect the semi auto SCR and thus the bonuses have been completely changed to give them their laser heat build up bonus back and look at what the Caldari Assault bonus now is ..
Reload Speed Increase
All blame to be headed at KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf for this idiotic bonus and CCP for actually listening to him
Please sign below with a HELLS NOOOOOOOO or whatever version of no you prefer .. if the Amarr can QQ there way back to their old bonus then surely we can QQ to get the ROF bonus back
Signed
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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:38:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:You see, the RoF bonus was the Assault Bonus, not the Caldari Assault Bonus. You were probably going to get this bonus all along, regardless of what the Amarrians said...
I know
Now no one gets a ROF bonus and instead Assault gets fitting for light weapons and the caldari get a useless reload bonus .. |
Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:01:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Kaughst wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Neo Rinzler wrote:All blame to be headed at KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf for this idiotic bonus and CCP for actually listening to him
Why anyone listens to AFK farmer extraordinaire KAGEHOSHI is beyond me. A good idea and that AFK have yet to actually meet. Hell No to 1.8! If not then Hell No to Dust514. Caldari Assaults are losing about 30-40 shields, and get to reload 25% faster. That's a buff. Stop yo' bitchin'. Was that not the same type of bonus as before they had those shields. A reload bonus to hybrid weaponry. Old Caldari Assault Bonus: +2% reload speed per level for hybrid weaponry. Current Caldari Assault Bonus: +2% Shield Extender Efficacy per level New Caldari Assault Bonus: +5% reload speed per level for hybrid/rail weaponry. Similar, but better.
It's useless
Would you like to know the issue I have with Sniper Rifles ? It isn't the reload speed its the damage and clip sizes .. faster reload is useless because you still have to go out of scope to reload and then get your zoom back in .. by that time your target has gotten away anyway
Would you like to know the issue with the RR ? It isn't reloading speed it's spool up time and bullet dispersion at range ...
The Minmatar weapons have small clip sizes so increasing the amount of bullets per clip is most definitely a bonus
The weakness of Amarrian weapons is heat build up and therefore the bonus to heat build up reduction is clearly a bonus
The weakness of Gallente weapons is mostly dispersion so giving them a passive sharpshooter skill at least benefits some of the weapons (although this bonus is slightly weak as it doesn't benefit all of the Gallentean weapons .. PLC anyone ?)
If i'm brutally honest if the Amarrian suit increases the DPS of laser weaponry then the Caldari bonus should be to ROF .. in fact CCP should've left all the other races with ROF bonus and given the amarrian suit the laser heat build up reduction
Assault suits should have a slight increase in DPS when using their racial weapons over other suits using them ... If the other races don;t get an ROF bonus then the Amarrians should NOT get a passive skill that increases their DPS either !
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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:13:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Neo Rinzler wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813024#post1813024
The Amarrians complained about the ROF because it wouldn't affect the semi auto SCR and thus the bonuses have been completely changed to give them their laser heat build up bonus back and look at what the Caldari Assault bonus now is ..
Reload Speed Increase
All blame to be headed at KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf for this idiotic bonus and CCP for actually listening to him
Please sign below with a HELLS NOOOOOOOO or whatever version of no you prefer .. if the Amarr can QQ there way back to their old bonus then surely we can QQ to get the ROF bonus back
Signed
You caldaris have no idea how good this bonus is, but hey if you want it gone let's go for it! So +1
It's useless, it's totally useless when your using Caldari tech in the way it was designed to be used .. Hit and Run .. shields dampeners and stamina/speed you find an enemy or a group at range you pop out of cover kill 1 of them and pop behind cover .. pick them off 1 by 1 and you reload whilst you pop back behind cover and then repeat the process .. if you get engaged in CQC you switch to your sidearm .. if your using the full 42 clip in 1 engagement and need to reload in the middle of it then your doing it wrong
There is a reason why the Caldari accept that this bonus is rubbish .. that's because it is useless and doesn't fit in with the Caldari Playstyle at all .. Ranged combat does not require super fast reloading it requires movement speed,damage and stealth
Closer Dispersion whilst in ADS or a higher ROF would be a much better 'Assault' bonus than reload speed ..
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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:21:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Reload speed, accuracy, and magazine size all increase DPS, in the same way that a heat reduction bonus does. They all allow you to put more rounds on the enemy.
Buying 1 lottery ticket improves your chance of winning the lottery as does buying 1 million .. what we have here is the Cal Assault is getting 1 lottery Ticket whilst the Amarr are getting 1 million
The bonuses aren't balanced and honestly if the bonuses stay the same and we got a respec I would never again use a Cal Assault suit .. I don't think many other people would either
May as well say Goodbye to the Caldari Assault .. you will never see the all black Cal Assault Suit in battle again |
Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:46:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:ill sign yours if you sign a gallente one when we make it this is just crap all around. PS CCP in a fps game tight ads fire good but tight hipfire in cqc bad.
Will do
Compared to the Minni and especially the Amarr bonuses they Caldari and Gallente ones are just pathetic and is what happens when peopel who dont use either of the 2 races suits and weapons make suggestions to their bonuses |
Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:17:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:Only signing this petition for my friends Kal Kronos and Squagga.
If I were to just go off of OP's rant, I would not be doing this. He sounds like a prattling child that blames others for his misfortune. We Amarr cared enough to raise arms over hearing of the bonus change and we were heard. Don't blame us for your shortcomings. We didn't like the change, so we rose hell over it. Simple as that.
Is this because I pointed out on a different thread that you hadn't understood the blatant sarcasm in a post I made and proceeded to post abuse at me ? If you look at some earlier posts you will see the post I was referring to when I made my sarcastic post about reload speed reduction been added to Amarrian weapons instead of the Heat Build up reduction. Do you get it yet or was explaining it twice not sufficient ??
This thread is the Caldari trying to get the rubbish new bonus we have been given based on your feedback changed back to one that is actually useful. The fact is the reason i mentioned 1 specific person is because his thread was the one that posted suggestions for other racial bonuses which were heeded by CCP and was liked by many of your ilk.
Lea quite frankly you sound like a bit of a prick who starts throwing insults at people with very little reason ... maybe My OP was a bit whingey but that is because the new bonus is an absolute joke and if your justifying your own QQ about the loss of the old heat reduction bonus then you equally have to accept my QQ about the new reload reduction bonus
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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:48:00 -
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Squagga wrote:iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:Universal assault bonus needs to be a damage boost to distinguish it's slayer role over logistic slayers
How is reload speed going to fix that? CCP is ******* ********.
Caldari needs a shield boost and damage boost like the original stats were. Ok I can definately agree with this. The logis are getting nerfs. Yeah it sucks but hey people like me abused that situation. Sorry. I don't know if assaults need a buff if logis are getting a nerf. What I figured we were mostly talking about is what racial bonus we want? Afterall the reason why we're talking about this is because of the Amarr racial bonus for their rifle. Yes I want my shield bonus. I want a racial damage bonus to my rifle but maybe a shorter spool time would help things out
Hey post me a pub channel Lea is on I want to speak to him directly
I'm going to Edit the Title and some of the OP to include some possible alternatives and get votes on them so post suggestions
So far I have
2% ROF increase Per Level
10% Spool up time reduction per level (This only affects the RR and Charge Sniper Rifle)
2% Increase of Effective Range of Hybrid weaponry Per Level
2% damage Increase of Hybrid weaponry per level
They are just placeholders and not the actual proposed alternatives so everythign from the % to the actual bonus itself is open to change
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