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Michael Arck wrote:

Zeylon Rho wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players?

They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning.

The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff.

The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode.

This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about.

So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives?

A game with longer TTK. All the weapons are getting nerfed.

My friend, RR is getting a damage buff and then he says the others are following.

Meaning, they KNOW and have a plan on RR based on what they read on forums

The other weapons getting nerfed part is to just quiet the folks like me who will be upset.

The joke of the matter? They don't even know how they are buffing the other weapons but they know what to buff with the RR?

Read between the lines my friend. They were influenced by a short sighted community who just plays ambush pubs.

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Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3101	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:48:00 - [1] - Quote How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3204	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:51:00 - [2] - Quote Friendly tip broseidon - it's "wracking." I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3101	Posted - 2014.02.07 21:52:00 - [3] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Friendly tip broseidon - it's "wracking." Thank you, fingers were typing furiously. Will correct. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Supra Advyn Nos Nothi 126	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:00:00 - [4] - Quote It is the cycle of dust. FOTM, UP, OP, Nerf, Buff, there will always be these issues, And those issues are in every game. Adaptation keeps sp flowing, play time, expenditures high. free game? gotta pay to play.... someday. 1.8 should be somewhat epic changes for Dust, But opinion rules here in these parts, because they pay to play. you should know by now....
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3376	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:02:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? A game with longer TTK. All the weapons are getting nerfed. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3102	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:03:00 - [6] - Quote so are we so obsessed with retaining new players in this game and making life easy for them that will sacrifice aspects just to retain players who are still looking at a steep hill to climb? I propose that their game testers/developers have PC matches. Get involved with highly competitive players and judge this game with 100% knowledge instead of pub matches where players don't know what the heck they doing, don't know anything about much more powerful weapons and have no sense tactic. Like I said, not all, but there's alot in this community who are destroying this game. If you're so bent on pleasing console players then you have no idea how bratty and silly console players are. Even with these changes, it's almost a guarantee those who want this nerf won't be playing this game by middle of this year. I'm not threatening but this catering to the new players thing keeps pushing people who invested into this game and took their butt whoopings, threw some dirt on it and kept going. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1582	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? Let me get this straight... You're saying that weaker players need to be continually curbstomped so that the game will grow? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
KGB Sleep 708	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:04:00 - [8] - Quote Nerfing damage is probably the last thing CCP should be doing right now. If anything, a low TTK was helping bridge the gap between high SP and low SP players. "Because beer, that's why."
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3102	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:08:00 - [9] - Quote Supra Advyn wrote: It is the cycle of dust. FOTM, UP, OP, Nerf, Buff, there will always be these issues, And those issues are in every game. Adaptation keeps sp flowing, play time, expenditures high. free game? gotta pay to play.... someday. 1.8 should be somewhat epic changes for Dust, But opinion rules here in these parts, because they pay to play. You are thinking too simplisitic and you approached my topic with just automated general response. Weapons that aren't used by the pub playing majority survive nerf axe swings because the pub playing majority doesn't know about them. If they did, they would advocate nerf, get others in on their bandwagon and then CCP would look at it to make changes. And that perspective is limited in itself. Because when you step into PC, everything you think you know about Dust is out the window. Let a pub match player step in with a commando and RR thinking he will trump and you will be able to hear tears fall while orbiting Alpha Centauri Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3103	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:11:00 - [10] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? Let me get this straight... You're saying that weaker players need to be continually curbstomped so that the game will grow? You're not thinking outside the box or objectively. But check this out, something people don't talk about. The weaker players getting curbstomped only play ambush day in and day out!!! They don't play Dom or Skirm, which can lengthen your life span and allow for a broader approach instead of being thrown in a blender with more experienced players. Everyone is spread out. So how in the hell a pub player who plays only Ambush can warrant what should be nerfed or not? Do you even think brah? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3103	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:13:00 - [11] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? A game with longer TTK. All the weapons are getting nerfed. My friend, RR is getting a damage buff and then he says the others are following. Meaning, they KNOW and have a plan on RR based on what they read on forums The other weapons getting nerfed part is to just quiet the folks like me who will be upset. The joke of the matter? They don't even know how they are buffing the other weapons but they know what to buff with the RR? Read between the lines my friend. They were influenced by a short sighted community who just plays ambush pubs. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1582	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:18:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Do you even think brah? I do. I think defending a weapon with equal DPS to the AR and with 75% more optimal is whining about losing a crutch. I heard it all before with the TAC. The arguments don't hold any more water now than they did back then. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 564	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:18:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Do you even think brah? Bras don't think, but they lift and support! On a real note, scanners were meant to only be able to scan a wedge shaped area from the start. The spin-to-win mentality was actually an unintended exploit. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:20:00 - [14] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? Let me get this straight... You're saying that weaker players need to be continually curbstomped so that the game will grow? You're not thinking outside the box or objectively. But check this out, something people don't talk about. The weaker players getting curbstomped only play ambush day in and day out!!! They don't play Dom or Skirm, which can lengthen your life span and allow for a broader approach instead of being thrown in a blender with more experienced players. Everyone is spread out. So how in the hell a pub player who plays only Ambush can warrant what should be nerfed or not? Do you even think brah? How many PC games did you play this week? What you advocate is ignoring the desires and opinions of 95 percent of the players and listening to 5 percent, although I see plenty of calls for nerf/buffing among vets as well. Most people in pub matches seem to play all three modes. Why do you think they only play Ambush? Because, that's why.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 462	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:24:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? you are going to be dealing with this every patch. CCP will always have a FoTM to Nerf. It promotes booster sales for those guys that just have to have it now. Low on skill buy aurum. Its money in the bank. Guess what's going to be OP next? Who wants some?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3105	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:30:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Do you even think brah? Bras don't think, but they lift and support! On a real note, scanners were meant to only be able to scan a wedge shaped area from the start. The spin-to-win mentality was actually an unintended exploit. The over abundance of scanning came when the community felt that they should get WPs for the scanned targets. Once that came into play, scanning grew. This is truth Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3105	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:31:00 - [17] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? you are going to be dealing with this every patch. CCP will always have a FoTM to Nerf. It promotes booster sales for those guys that just have to have it now. Low on skill buy aurum. Its money in the bank. Guess what's going to be OP next? So I just accept that mercs who don't think objectively and only think of the immediate has the power to change the game to benefit them because they are unwilling to adapt? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3382	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? A game with longer TTK. All the weapons are getting nerfed. My friend, RR is getting a damage buff and then he says the others are following. Meaning, they KNOW and have a plan on RR based on what they read on forums The other weapons getting nerfed part is to just quiet the folks like me who will be upset. The joke of the matter? They don't even know how they are buffing the other weapons but they know what to buff with the RR? Read between the lines my friend. They were influenced by a short sighted community who just plays ambush pubs. They're not buffing the RR, they're nerfing it. Most of weapons damage will be nerfed (that is lower, not higher). Damage mods? Also getting nerfed. Proficiency skills? "Maybe" getting nerfed. It's all part of a plan to make TTK loooooonger. What will longer TTK mean for you? As as skilled player, it will be advantageous. If you can aim/strafe/coordinate better than a newer or less skilled players than you will be getting kills. Odds are, the differences will be relatively small, measured in seconds. However, a longer TTK makes this more as opposed to less different than console games. The quintessential console games like CoD are known very short TTK, where pretty much anything kills you very quick. The longer TTK will ideally bring strategy such as brick tanking vs. utility related modules into stark relief. It gets more complicated though, since they're also looking at changing the bonuses to Assaults and Logis. So, if you play an assault, you might suddenly have bonuses that are more combat-oriented. The RR change is the least of your problems/concerns, and a small part of much larger set of changes. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Tailss Prower 501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit 170	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:34:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Supra Advyn wrote: It is the cycle of dust. FOTM, UP, OP, Nerf, Buff, there will always be these issues, And those issues are in every game. Adaptation keeps sp flowing, play time, expenditures high. free game? gotta pay to play.... someday. 1.8 should be somewhat epic changes for Dust, But opinion rules here in these parts, because they pay to play. You are thinking too simplisitic and you approached my topic with just automated general response. Weapons that aren't used by the pub playing majority survive nerf axe swings because the pub playing majority doesn't know about them. If they did, they would advocate nerf, get others in on their bandwagon and then CCP would look at it to make changes. And that perspective is limited in itself. Because when you step into PC, everything you think you know about Dust is out the window. Let a pub match player step in with a commando and RR thinking he will trump and you will be able to hear tears fall while orbiting Alpha Centauri Pc laggs to much to actually have influence now if it was a match that actually didn't lag maybe but hard to base an opinion when your only fighting people at your lvl or at least close to it
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3105	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:34:00 - [20] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? Let me get this straight... You're saying that weaker players need to be continually curbstomped so that the game will grow? You're not thinking outside the box or objectively. But check this out, something people don't talk about. The weaker players getting curbstomped only play ambush day in and day out!!! They don't play Dom or Skirm, which can lengthen your life span and allow for a broader approach instead of being thrown in a blender with more experienced players. Everyone is spread out. So how in the hell a pub player who plays only Ambush can warrant what should be nerfed or not? Do you even think brah? How many PC games did you play this week? What you advocate is ignoring the desires and opinions of 95 percent of the players and listening to 5 percent, although I see plenty of calls for nerf/buffing among vets as well. Most people in pub matches seem to play all three modes. Why do you think they only play Ambush? How many did you play? The forums aren't 95 percent of the playerbase?! Again, do you even think brah or you just blurt words? Why do I think they only play Ambush? Your word sir. Curbstomped. Curbstomping happens mostly in Ambush. Curbstomping isn't nearly as frequent in objective based games. I know because I play those modes. Soon as you get into Ambush, curbstomping fun. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1275	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:37:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? I don't like it either, Mike. Bad players get killed and come cry about it on here. Nevermind the fact that they may need to look at their fittings and reassess. Nevermind the fact that they may need to look at their playstyle and adjust accordingly. Nevermind that maybe the weapon, for whatever reason they chose it, isn't cutting it. I liked the RR as is. It was the perfect challenge to my SCR at range, as is the CR in short range. People die and then just cry, I guess. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
KGB Sleep 710	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:38:00 - [22] - Quote The community is a headless idiot anyway. "Let's push to nerf anti-armor battle rifles even though next month they are releasing Gallente heavies with 1800 eHP!" Everyone who QQ'd is so stricken with downs that they have left right and up syndrome too. "Because beer, that's why."
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1338	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:46:00 - [23] - Quote I also have a serious question, does doubling a weapon's range for tiny downsides sound like a good idea for any rifle? "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
KGB Sleep 710	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:47:00 - [24] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: I also have a serious question, does doubling a weapon's range for tiny downsides sound like a good idea for any rifle? It sure sounds better than a broken POS no one will want to use. "Because beer, that's why."
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 891	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote It's because players want a chance to fight back.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1339	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:52:00 - [26] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: I also have a serious question, does doubling a weapon's range for tiny downsides sound like a good idea for any rifle? It sure sounds better than a broken POS no one will want to use. That is true, however even after the Nerf the railgun will out range every other weapon. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 647	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:59:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How is it this game will grow when we keep nerfing everything that kills the weaker players? They wanted points for scans, said this would cause the players to grab them since WPs are involved. The merc should want to have a scanner for assisting his team, not for WPs. The changes come and people cry about folks scanning. The AR, a weapon that I loved and thought was just fine. Yet folks wanted a nerf on the AR because they got tired of being killed by them. But let's just forget that weapons at the time were limited. Now folks advocate for the buff. The RR is next on the chopping block and is getting a damage nerf. Why? Because the crybabies are tired of being dropped by it and every pub player copies every other pub player. Nevermind the CR is beast mode. This is nerve wracking. These changes come on the heels of players who cry for nerfs and they don't know what the heck they are talking about. So what kind of end game are we going to have? Does it just take a bandwagon of ignorant players to get a nerf axe swinging your way? What gives? im pretty sure it was called the nerf brigade. im dont want a massive nerf on the rail rifle. but it does needs a few changes so its not so powerful at the range it operates on though i dont think a damage nerf is the way to go for it. the burst cr just needs its refire slowed to balance it. other than that everything feels fine.
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 444	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:34:00 - [28] - Quote the AR wasn't nerfed, in fact it was buffed. It's just weaker compared to the other rifles. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Supra Advyn Nos Nothi 127	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:42:00 - [29] - Quote I hear where you are coming form OP, The situation of my short list was just to the point and blunt with little fluff. Some want all, and right now, and to be as equal as mush as a vet. But what I really see is a buff to unskilled and a nerf to the skilled. It has been said... "time will tell". well, maybe not.... you should know by now....
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 300	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:14:00 - [30] - Quote I can't really take your question seriously. Have you read the numerous threads regarding NPE? The reasons people are NOT sticking with the game are the very same facets of the current build that you are defending. Unless you are able to provide some data from the droves of people that are leaving suggesting that their reason for doing so is because they want vets weapons to be MORE powerful and to die more quickly, I suggest that your reasons are selfish, and in no way shape or form promote the long term welfare of the game. Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room



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