DUST Search - Worried about the Rail Rifle nerf

Ander Thedas wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

Not because the RR is getting nerfed, it deserves it, but because of the edit.

Obviously there are some guns that need a nerf, not just the RR, but the AR should definitely not be touched.

There are also some weapons that are in need of a buff. These are the SMG, ion pistol, mass driver, flaylock, and the laser. All of these suffer from not enough power at range, the smg and the ion pistol suffer from less damage and range than the Caldari counter part and the laser doesn't really do anything...

As for the weapons that need a nerf, they are the RR, a chiseled nerf to the CR and ScR, bolt pistol, and the magsec smg. All of these suffer from to much power at range. The Magsec has almost enough dps to rival an AR, in fact a proto magsec smg with 1 damage modifier has enough DPS to equal a duvolle and match it in range.

Regardless of what you choose, remember that guns with low range should have the highest DPS, take a good look at the ion pistol vs the bolt or scrambler pistol.

Theorycrafting is useful and definitely a big part of the balancing conversation but I wouldn't say something definitively needs a nerf before we actually have a chance to test it out.

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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1842	Posted - 2014.02.07 16:54:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion. Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8 (You're welcome) EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon. Not because the RR is getting nerfed, it deserves it, but because of the edit. Obviously there are some guns that need a nerf, not just the RR, but the AR should definitely not be touched. There are also some weapons that are in need of a buff. These are the SMG, ion pistol, mass driver, flaylock, and the laser. As for the weapons that need a nerf, they are the RR, a chiseled nerf to the CR and ScR, bolt pistol, and the magsec smg. Regardless of what you choose, remember that guns with low range should have the highest DPS, take a good look at the ion pistol vs the bolt or scrambler pistol. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1852	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:04:00 - [2] - Quote Smg needs a buff? Your insane. New born sAMARRi
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1842	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. Incase the magsec isn't nerfed. Magsec has twice the range and like 10-15% more dps. Not available to do math atm. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1576	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:09:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 400	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:10:00 - [5] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion. Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8 (You're welcome) EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon. Not because the RR is getting nerfed, it deserves it, but because of the edit. Obviously there are some guns that need a nerf, not just the RR, but the AR should definitely not be touched. There are also some weapons that are in need of a buff. These are the SMG, ion pistol, mass driver, flaylock, and the laser. All of these suffer from not enough power at range, the smg and the ion pistol suffer from less damage and range than the Caldari counter part and the laser doesn't really do anything... As for the weapons that need a nerf, they are the RR, a chiseled nerf to the CR and ScR, bolt pistol, and the magsec smg. All of these suffer from to much power at range. The Magsec has almost enough dps to rival an AR, in fact a proto magsec smg with 1 damage modifier has enough DPS to equal a duvolle and match it in range. Regardless of what you choose, remember that guns with low range should have the highest DPS, take a good look at the ion pistol vs the bolt or scrambler pistol. Lol, SMG does not need a buff. I would suggest skilling into it first and seeing just how much it wrecks. It's probably the most balanced weapon the game actually.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6522	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:10:00 - [6] - Quote Around a month ago CCP Remnant was discussing that they wanted to increase TTK but didn't want to give a flat out 10% reduction to all weapon damage because they felt that hurts some weapons a lot more than others. From the looks of it, this is what the RR "nerf" looks like. They're taking down the damage not so much to nerf it as everyone is so fearing but to bring it in line with the new TTK they are striving for in 1.8. Similarly other weapons will get their damage reduced to fall in line, but not every weapon will. And Aero said unto his children, "LET THERE BE A REGISTRY" CPM Info and Q&A -Status: Open
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1842	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:11:00 - [7] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? I am available to do math now, proto smg has 385 DPS, proto magsec has 423 dps. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1842	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:14:00 - [8] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion. Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8 (You're welcome) EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon. Not because the RR is getting nerfed, it deserves it, but because of the edit. Obviously there are some guns that need a nerf, not just the RR, but the AR should definitely not be touched. There are also some weapons that are in need of a buff. These are the SMG, ion pistol, mass driver, flaylock, and the laser. All of these suffer from not enough power at range, the smg and the ion pistol suffer from less damage and range than the Caldari counter part and the laser doesn't really do anything... As for the weapons that need a nerf, they are the RR, a chiseled nerf to the CR and ScR, bolt pistol, and the magsec smg. All of these suffer from to much power at range. The Magsec has almost enough dps to rival an AR, in fact a proto magsec smg with 1 damage modifier has enough DPS to equal a duvolle and match it in range. Regardless of what you choose, remember that guns with low range should have the highest DPS, take a good look at the ion pistol vs the bolt or scrambler pistol. Lol, SMG does not need a buff. I would suggest skilling into it first and seeing just how much it wrecks. It's probably the most balanced weapon the game actually. Sigh... do you people even read? I said the smg vs th magsec... The magsec out dpress and out ranges the smg... and your right it doesn't need a buff, but it will if the magsec comes out with the stats CCP gave. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 265	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:14:00 - [9] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion. Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8 (You're welcome) EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon. Not because the RR is getting nerfed, it deserves it, but because of the edit. Obviously there are some guns that need a nerf, not just the RR, but the AR should definitely not be touched. There are also some weapons that are in need of a buff. These are the SMG, ion pistol, mass driver, flaylock, and the laser. All of these suffer from not enough power at range, the smg and the ion pistol suffer from less damage and range than the Caldari counter part and the laser doesn't really do anything... As for the weapons that need a nerf, they are the RR, a chiseled nerf to the CR and ScR, bolt pistol, and the magsec smg. All of these suffer from to much power at range. The Magsec has almost enough dps to rival an AR, in fact a proto magsec smg with 1 damage modifier has enough DPS to equal a duvolle and match it in range. Regardless of what you choose, remember that guns with low range should have the highest DPS, take a good look at the ion pistol vs the bolt or scrambler pistol. Theorycrafting is useful and definitely a big part of the balancing conversation but I wouldn't say something definitively needs a nerf before we actually have a chance to test it out.
noobsniper the 2nd POISION ROSES 138	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:17:00 - [10] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? I am available to do math now, proto smg has 385 DPS, proto magsec has 423 dps. Ccp pls pre nerf far to strong for what it is also nerf NS into the ground thank u just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1577	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:20:00 - [11] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I am available to do math now, proto smg has 385 DPS, proto magsec has 423 dps. Unless SMG is getting a nerf in 1.8, proto SMG does 421.6 DPS. Still, that's ridiculous that MagSec beats it. How the hell does CCP think that the weapons with the longest range need the highest DPS? It's justGÇª do they even talk to the people that deal with weapon balance in EVE? Is it absolutely forbidden for people in the office to offer insight to each other? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1842	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:21:00 - [12] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion. Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8 (You're welcome) EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon. Not because the RR is getting nerfed, it deserves it, but because of the edit. Obviously there are some guns that need a nerf, not just the RR, but the AR should definitely not be touched. There are also some weapons that are in need of a buff. These are the SMG, ion pistol, mass driver, flaylock, and the laser. All of these suffer from not enough power at range, the smg and the ion pistol suffer from less damage and range than the Caldari counter part and the laser doesn't really do anything... As for the weapons that need a nerf, they are the RR, a chiseled nerf to the CR and ScR, bolt pistol, and the magsec smg. All of these suffer from to much power at range. The Magsec has almost enough dps to rival an AR, in fact a proto magsec smg with 1 damage modifier has enough DPS to equal a duvolle and match it in range. Regardless of what you choose, remember that guns with low range should have the highest DPS, take a good look at the ion pistol vs the bolt or scrambler pistol. Theorycrafting is useful and definitely a big part of the balancing conversation but I wouldn't say something definitively needs a nerf before we actually have a chance to test it out. Your right but there is a limit to how far this can go. By comparison to the current standard it isn't hard to tell if something will be OP or weak. These new weapons obviously operate exactly the same as what we have based on that it's easy to compare them, now if something completely new was added then I couldn't really say anything. For example the flaylock not many people thought it was going to be OP, same for the RR because nobody knew how much the charge time was going to affect it etc. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2162	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:23:00 - [13] - Quote Spool up time is getting nerfed and the operations skill will now effect it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1842	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:23:00 - [14] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I am available to do math now, proto smg has 385 DPS, proto magsec has 423 dps. Unless SMG is getting a nerf in 1.8, proto SMG does 421.6 DPS. Still, that's ridiculous that MagSec beats it. How the hell does CCP think that the weapons with the longest range need the highest DPS? It's justGÇª do they even talk to the people that deal with weapon balance in EVE? Is it absolutely forbidden for people in the office to offer insight to each other? Six kin smg does 23.1 damage with a rof of 1000, that's 23100 damage per minute, 23100/60 = 385 dps. Unless your math includes weapon proficiency, mine does not in both figures. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 5	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:24:00 - [15] - Quote Tf does magsec mean? I'm getting tired of these pointless terms and/or acronyms used on these forums. Anyways, the Rail Rifle nerf gets my seal of approval. Also, SMG? Buff? Those two words shall not be spoken in the same sentence. It's unarguably the most versatile and easy to use sidearm, and most of the time, I defend myself just fine with only my Toxin. I decided to whip out my Ishukone Assault Submachine Gun. * News reporter voice * ...And there were no survivors.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 791	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:25:00 - [16] - Quote Can't wait just like every other FOTM, sick of seeing 26 out of 32 people carrying the rail rifle every goddamn match. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1577	Posted - 2014.02.07 17:31:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Six kin smg does 23.1 damage with a rof of 1000, that's 23100 damage per minute, 23100/60 = 385 dps. Unless your math includes weapon proficiency, mine does not in both figures. Not to keep arguing this point, but your information is outdated. Six Kin does 25.3 damage per bullet. Your info looks like it's coming from dust514.info, which doesn't reflect the across-the-board damage buff CCP did a while ago. I'm a stickler for DPS math, we needs informed opinions, yo. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8935	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:25:00 - [18] - Quote I'm happy with the RR nerf, but I just hope they don't everdo it. While I do agree about the general principle that range and DPS should be inversely proportional, there are factors in play; the SCR for example overheats (often certain death) after 15 quick shots, 23 with maxed out Amarr assaut skill, so I don't think its OP, and the Amarr laser weapon heat buildup reduction bonus seems like its going to be removed. Ion pistol is definitely underpowered, as Arkena Wyrnspire has shown here. Magsec does seem OP from the stats I've seen. At prototype: Magsec DPS: 427.77 Range (optimal-effective): 48-66 SMG DPS: 421.66 Range (optimal-effective): 30-48 Magsec seems to have more range AND more DPS, making it worse balance issue than the RR compared to the AR. There is a 0.3 second spool up time, but I fear it won't be enough of a balancing factor. SMG does not need a buff though. As for the pistols, lets compare: Bolt DPS: 371.25 Range: 54-72 Scrambler: DPS: 733.33 Range: 36-60 Ion DPS: 312.5 (copy pasted from Arkena) Range: 24-42 I'm inclided to say the bolt pistol is fine, the scrambler pistol is kind of OP, and the Ion and flaylock are UP Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2518	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:30:00 - [19] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? Oh no 5 whole points of damage, whatever shall we do Guys I think my helmet is stuck. Guys?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1845	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:40:00 - [20] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I'm happy with the RR nerf, but I just hope they don't everdo it. While I do agree about the general principle that range and DPS should be inversely proportional, there are factors in play; the SCR for example overheats (often certain death) after 15 quick shots, 23 with maxed out Amarr assaut skill, so I don't think its OP, and the Amarr laser weapon heat buildup reduction bonus seems like its going to be removed. Ion pistol is definitely underpowered, as Arkena Wyrnspire has shown here. Magsec does seem OP from the stats I've seen. At prototype: Magsec DPS: 427.77 Range (optimal-effective): 48-66 SMG DPS: 421.66 Range (optimal-effective): 30-48 Magsec seems to have more range AND more DPS, making it worse balance issue than the RR compared to the AR. There is a 0.3 second spool up time, but I fear it won't be enough of a balancing factor. SMG does not need a buff though. As for the pistols, lets compare: Bolt DPS: 371.25 Range: 54-72 Scrambler: DPS: 733.33 Range: 36-60 Ion DPS: 312.5 (copy pasted from Arkena) Range: 24-42 I'm inclided to say the bolt pistol is fine, the scrambler pistol is kind of OP, and the Ion and flaylock are UP Am I missing something on the smg? I keep thinking, and calculating it's dps is 385 what am I overlooking? Armor and Shields are not the same!

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1846	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:41:00 - [21] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Six kin smg does 23.1 damage with a rof of 1000, that's 23100 damage per minute, 23100/60 = 385 dps. Unless your math includes weapon proficiency, mine does not in both figures. Not to keep arguing this point, but your information is outdated. Six Kin does 25.3 damage per bullet. Your info looks like it's coming from dust514.info, which doesn't reflect the across-the-board damage buff CCP did a while ago. I'm a stickler for DPS math, we needs informed opinions, yo. Sergeant Sazu wrote: Also, SMG? Buff? Those two words shall not be spoken in the same sentence. It's unarguably the most versatile and easy to use sidearm, and most of the time, I defend myself just fine with only my Toxin. Yep. People said the same thing about the AR before 1.8. And now it's the most "underpowered" assault rifleGÇª Take a look at those MagSec SMG stats, man. It makes the current SMG look like a peashooter. Oh OK I see I am at work so I took my data from the first website I found. I am going to have to rretract my smg buff request then. Armor and Shields are not the same!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8938	Posted - 2014.02.07 19:53:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I'm happy with the RR nerf, but I just hope they don't everdo it. While I do agree about the general principle that range and DPS should be inversely proportional, there are factors in play; the SCR for example overheats (often certain death) after 15 quick shots, 23 with maxed out Amarr assaut skill, so I don't think its OP, and the Amarr laser weapon heat buildup reduction bonus seems like its going to be removed. Ion pistol is definitely underpowered, as Arkena Wyrnspire has shown here. Magsec does seem OP from the stats I've seen. At prototype: Magsec DPS: 427.77 Range (optimal-effective): 48-66 SMG DPS: 421.66 Range (optimal-effective): 30-48 Magsec seems to have more range AND more DPS, making it worse balance issue than the RR compared to the AR. There is a 0.3 second spool up time, but I fear it won't be enough of a balancing factor. SMG does not need a buff though. As for the pistols, lets compare: Bolt DPS: 371.25 Range: 54-72 Scrambler: DPS: 733.33 Range: 36-60 Ion DPS: 312.5 (copy pasted from Arkena) Range: 24-42 I'm inclided to say the bolt pistol is fine, the scrambler pistol is kind of OP, and the Ion and flaylock are UP Am I missing something on the smg? I keep thinking, and calculating it's dps is 385 what am I overlooking? I got my stats from Dust.thang.dk, which I believe uses the Dust API, but I'll make sure Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1492	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:06:00 - [24] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? galente AR needs a nerf. It can still take out a heavy in less than 3 seconds at the militia level and has no draw backs. period. please name 1 downside to the galente AR. The Scr needs a nerf because it can 1 shot minminatar medium frames without a charge shout and do 100+ damage to armor at proficiency 3. the RR needed a nerf because it was TOO good in CQC. CR needs an over sampling cap. to prevent turbo controler derp. but otherwise is the most balanced as it has the most draw backs 9high recoil, high dispersion, burst fire, low ammo, highest damage fall off) Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 117	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:07:00 - [25] - Quote History repeats itself. Say goodbye to the RR. CCP should just put it out of its misery and take it out of the game for "balancing" I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
Tectonic Fusion 1032	Posted - 2014.02.07 20:13:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Around a month ago CCP Remnant was discussing that they wanted to increase TTK but didn't want to give a flat out 10% reduction to all weapon damage because they felt that hurts some weapons a lot more than others. From the looks of it, this is what the RR "nerf" looks like. They're taking down the damage not so much to nerf it as everyone is so fearing but to bring it in line with the new TTK they are striving for in 1.8. Similarly other weapons will get their damage reduced to fall in line, but not every weapon will. Why don't they just not touch certain weapons? Only nerf OP fully-automatic weapons. It's pretty simple. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Bulldozza Smash Ultramarine Corp 21	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:11:00 - [27] - Quote Since the rail rifle has been released, i have noticed a lot of problems not only with the RR but the damage modifiers and the heavy suit. This has been a topic for discussion and frustration within the Utlramarine Corp and we have come up with a few suggests. Rail Rifle: - Dropping the RR damage (which seems to be underway) OR - Making every shot need to be charged (in saying that lowering the charge time) - Give the RR a increased hip fire spread - Decreasing the assault RR range - Decreasing the clip size of the RR (base 24-30, if its a high power long range weapon the clip size seems way too big) Heavies & Damage Mods: - Locking the heavy weapon slot to heavy weapons only (if they want to use light weapons make them skill into the commando) - Increasing the damage mods PG/CPU by more then a few points I don't see these suggestions as too much, I want this game to be balanced with certain faction weapons playing to there strengths. However it seems like CCP needs actually DUST514 players from outside there company to test these weapons in a real battle ground setting, I realize they are kind of doing that as they release and fine tune but CCP took it out of beta. - Bulldozza Smash CEO Ultramarine Corp Bulldozza Smash CEO Ultramarine Corp
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3331	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:34:00 - [28] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? It's the same sh*t they pulled with the new rifles. If the old stuff is competitive, nobody will be desperate for the SP to get the new OP stuff. Cue Resi4 merchant with a coat full of boosters. No.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1456	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:36:00 - [29] - Quote Maybe they're adding a longer spool time? Could be a minor nerf, a big nerf, or a Flaylock-scale nerf. Who knows?
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 220	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:00:00 - [30] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Smg needs a buff? Your insane. It's like saying the AR needs a buff. I agree. But I never looked at the Magsec SMG stats. 388 DPS at the base level, compared to the normal SMGs 383? So it has higher DPS and 60% greater optimal range? WTF, developersGÇª do you have any concept of what the word balance means? But how fast can it deal the damage? I'm expecting it to act like the breach smg but with a charge up time...so smg vs magsec smg...smg should still win it can start dealing damage faster and has more spread so better in cqc (assuming you didn't skill into sharpshooter).... while the magsec... since its gonna be Caldari tech.... I'm assuming its gonna be laser accurate and require at least some basic aiming skills and has a smaller clip size so as long as you don't stand still you can have the advantage over them. I doubt its gonna be good at cqc more for medium range and if you get the first strike.... since its Caldari tech and we dont like to get blood on are suits from cqc. .....Then again we are all jumping the gun too soon and don't know how the gun will work and how it compares to other guns we are just speculating on numbers and such but really we wont know anything until it actually comes out and we use then we can start making suggestion on it.



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