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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:50:00 -
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Assault dropsuits, hated as they are, are generally not amazingly viable - with the exception of dual tanked Calassaults and sufficiently synergised Amarr assaults. They're certainly much better than scouts, and certainly better than the old heavies, but there it ends. Future heavies will eat medframes for breakfast, and scouts are getting their much needed love soon. Luckily, logis will hopefully be nerfed to hell though.
You're going to get flamed/raged at a lot for this post, but honestly there is some sense in what you are saying. If heavies become supreme at slaying, tanking, assaulting, etc - what becomes the point of the assault suit? There is no need to run it if its role is completely overshadowed by others.
This is one reason I like the idea of heavies being completely dominant in CQC (and also their slower turn speed, making them vulnerable to things such as shotgun scouts). Assault suits should not be able to take heavies head on/CQC unless the heavy is basically staring slack-jawed at their screen doing nothing. But I am not of the belief that heavies should be able to destroy everything in combat, regardless of range.
Heavies were crapped on for a long time and logistics have long been supreme, but I am concerned that the situation will reverse completely and there will be no reason to use an assault suit.
TBH though I'm more concerned about this uber regen high HP assault scout with cloak + speed I'm looking at...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:58:00 -
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RedZer0 MK1 wrote:Speed. People underestimate its application. Yes, it can be annoying dealing with a heavy that has the same range as you, but he wont have the mobilty. Hit and run, and if all else fails RE.
Speed will not prevent a group of long range heavy weapon heavies from crushing you off objectives if they can take you in any form of straight combat, regardless of range.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:22:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:That's a good situation to analyze.
6 heavies w/ light weapons
versus a dynamic squad.
Sure, if you try to advance straight into them you will most likely be toast assuming they can dish out equal DPS, and have 75-100% more HP than you.
However, your advantage will be in equipment.. you know they cant scan, you know their precision is ****.. so you need to flank. If you cant flank and they are turtled in (say in a domination match or something) then, well, that is what they are good at. Hit them from different angles, drop down some repper hives at choke points, blast them with grenades. If they want to turtle, be a hare... don't try to outdps them, try to out maneuver them.
And I know I don't have to tell you this you are a good player.. just saying. This argument, in my opinion, only comes when someone gets beat by a heavy/light weapon. Its a rare sight, and even if it becomes popular I will welcome it as a new challenge :) Not like some people who are actually calling for heavies to only be able to use heavy weapons (lol there are only 2 haha).
This entirely hypothetical scenario depends on one squad bringing nothing but heavies with light weapons.
What happens when they bring even minimal logistics support with them?
To clarify my own views - I do not see heavies with light weapon as a massive problem. However, with 1.8 heavies which will be tough as hell, if new heavy weapons were to equal light weapons in range and beat them in DPS there would be a problem.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:33:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Why not just...get in a heavy suit and fight them?
I'm going to stop you there.
Are you also of the belief that the Gallogi should not be nerfed because others can 'just get in one and fight them'?
Do you think that the TAR nerf was unjustified because people could 'just get one and fight them'?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.04 22:48:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Clearly it's the heavy suit that's the problem, not the OP as **** light weapons they're using.
This reminds me of what happened to heavies after the E3 build. The heavy suit was fine, but the HMG was ridiculous. So CCP nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and nerfed the heavy suit while leaving the HMG alone basically, then nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and nerfed the HMG, then nerfed it more for good measure. Heavies are finally getting back to where they're not outclassed by everything else in every single situation, and people are crying like the world is ending.
WAAH, WAAH. I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY WHILE STANDING IN HIS LINE OF FIRE WITH MY ASSAULT SUIT. This is why Dust is such an awful game that panders to AA using 360yoloscannerswag type players.
Hell, we haven't even seen 1.8 heavies yet and people are whining about how OP they're going to be. It's adorable.
This is not about heavies 'not being outclassed by everything else in every single situation'. They were almost like that once, but with 1.8 levels of toughness heavies will be incredibly durable. That's as it should be. However, if you combine that with good range, and excellent DPS, why would you not run a heavy? It simply becomes the superior option.
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