DUST Search - Minmatar assualt faster than Amarr scout.

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Toby Flenderson wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

I'll give it to Toby Flenderson.

If this was a world without AA and Good strafing mechanics, the Amarr scout with his miserable STAMINA bonus could be good.

BUt as it is, having 30 more stamina than other scouts wont make the slightest of differences.

Its just ,again, a stupid bonus since it wont help you do ANYTHING , except when a match startes to run and take objectives... (and calling a LAV would still be smarter...)

On the other side of the coin, i dont know why Toby Flenderson is SO AGAINST amarrs being happy with their scout suit,which we have waited for months....

Haha if I'm happy with it why would I want it to be better just so other people will use it? It's not going to be FOTM like the rest of the suits have potential to be, but it's still a good suit.

So you ARE Confirming you are Biased after all!
You are NOT Speccing into it.
YOU ARE HAPPY WITH IT because is bad, your dont want it to be usable like the rest with a weak excuse like ''i dont want it to be FOTM''.

Your posts there by, are all Meaningless since you have openly admitted that you WONT use the suit and you want it to remain BAD, so that no one specs into it.

You sir , are a swine and you are not my n***a.

Look kid, LOOK at all the REST of the bonuses ,scouts,Commandos,heavy Sentinels,Assaults and Logis have.
Then Look at the Amarr SCOUT one.
YOU SERIOUSLY THINK ITS OK?
No, of course not, you know its crap,you defend the bonus just for the trolls...

Ace, if the bonus is bad, then propose a better one.

Note: A better one doesn't necessarily mean "Faster than Minmatar Scout"

I honestly don't see a problem with it since the Amarr are notorious slowasses and the Minmatar are notorious for being speed tanked.

Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029


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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4404	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:50:00 - [1] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Why? Because its not enough we get the most crappy and useless bonus there ever was, but we also have to be slower than an Assault. like seriously. the amarr scout will look cool and i will get it to proto, BUT ONLY to walk around in the warbarge. NOT ONLY The other 3 scout suits surpass it by a landslide in Bonuses worth lots of CPU+PG in modules, but are faster too. If you want more HP on a scout, run a Mk.0 or Ck.0 with Profile dampeners and kin cats and thats that.... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4404	Posted - 2014.02.06 22:22:00 - [2] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: read my previous post and tell me what you think, Checkmate I feel, its all good (Specially the strafe speed increase) but, what will make a suit like amarr scout worth is a BONUS CHANGE. 25% Stamina (not even MLT cardiac regulator) worth in bonus is just sad. I really cant find a single reason i should use the amarr scout over the gallente one. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4418	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:28:00 - [3] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: read my previous post and tell me what you think, Checkmate I feel, its all good (Specially the strafe speed increase) but, what will make a suit like amarr scout worth is a BONUS CHANGE. 25% Stamina (not even MLT cardiac regulator) worth in bonus is just sad. I really cant find a single reason i should use the amarr scout over the gallente one. What would you suggest as bonuses? Well the one the Amarr Scout had previously BEFORE this wretched community CRIED like it always CRIES: GÖª 5% Cloak Cool-down reduction per level (up to 25%) Or other Bonuses that help the Amarr Scout be the Offensive light frame is meant to be: GÖª If the Assault Amarr looses its current bonus then the Scout could really use it: 5% Heat buildup reduction per level to laser weaponry GÖª a Stamina Increase (Buffed) plus something else, Example: +10% Max Stamina and Stamina regen AND= +15% Melee damage per level or +5% Damage to SCR PISTOLS or +1 HP Per sec Armor rep Or whatever! I mean the Gallente scout has the Best Dampening, Great Radar range, is FASTER and has similar,tanking capabilities. Gallente has cx Profile dampener and one Basic Range amplifier worth in Modules The amarr one has (LESS THAN) a MLT Cardiac regulator. WTH. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4419	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:55:00 - [4] - Quote @ Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p= ''comparing any amarr or minmitar suit to a gallente suit is not done, all gallente suits are better in every way. '' GÖª Actually , in the case of Minmatar scout, its not true.. The Min scout is Equal (or BETTER if NK is your main weapon) than the GAl : Faster suit in the field + 3cx damage mods AND 1 cx Codebreaker worth in BONUSES, most balanced slot loadout with 3 & 3. ''the 5% heatup reduction was removed from the assault because i beleive CCP found it to be overpowered that the strongest weapon in the game WITH A MODDED CONTROLLER could be used as such with no real penalties. The combat rifle now kinda defeats my point, but i beleive balance will come for that weapon...one day...'' GÖª Its a shame a good bonus DS3 players could use to improve their weapon experience is being removed because SKILL LESS NOOBS cant play without modded controllers. Of Course instead of CCP taking action against Modded controllers they remove the bonus, Good move.... NOT. ''damage to scrambler pistols would be absolutely overpowered. The reason minmitar gets a bonus to knives is because knives are SO situational that it is balanced, and in fact, even underpowered. Giving a similar bonus to a ranged weapon which is arguably the best sidearm in the game, would be simply too powerful, though +1 clip size would be a decent idea instead'' GÖª I actually think +1 bullet to the clip per level is more OP XD , ok, how about +2% Damage to SCR PISTOLS per level sound (per level)? Its only 1cx Damage mod worth in bonus. ''armor per second isnt a bad idea, i actually like it, and think it would be balanced, however it doesnt fit the racial mantra of the brick tanked amarr'' GÖª Actually , on the contrary. Armor rep is ALWAYS equal to MORE ARMOR. Having 1 cx armor rep worth of bonus lets amarr use another low slot For ARMOR PLATES. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4419	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:56:00 - [5] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: the commando is going to be a force to be reckoned with...mass driver and combat rifle, anyone? sprint speed faster than a scout's base movement, wielding weapons of destruction with a bonus to damage gives you a deadly combo Forgot reload speed. + GÖª Gallente PCannon (1 sec reload) and Duvolle combo GÖª Amarr SCR + LASER combos GÖª CAldari RR + ARR combo GÖª Minmatar CR + SWARM LAUNCHER combo... Etc... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4422	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:13:00 - [6] - Quote @ Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Gal is better in every way, but thats also due to armor/shield imbalance, so if that gets fixed i will agree. The main reason gallente is so good is because they can fit 3x kincats and a damage and a shield extender and a plate, requiring no slot for a profile dampener and still have room for a cloak and weapons. Minmitar, on the other hand, cant fit 3x kincats and 3x shields to become faster than gallente, it takes too much pg, and would only be able to fit a flaylock on afterwards (pg cost of modules=45+33=78, most minmitar can have with maxed skills is 80) so instead, we rely on a profile dampener. ''Gal is better in every way'' GÖª Ok this is not entirely true, because it REALLY DEPENDS on your play style!! NO OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME can provide 6 Complex damage mods worth in knife damage ( 3 high slots + bonus), PLUS THE innate Codebreaker makes the Min scout the elite hacker. Again, you are just thinking of the Scout as ASSAULTS use it, not as scouts use it. Real scouts DONT TANK. '' Cool, now ere slower than the gal scout, and equally dampened, with 15 pg to spare. whatever though, we can still fit nova knives and another weapon, and at least a basic cloak right? NOPE. nova knives cost 8 pg at proto (only useful form, and btw they dont having a fitting optimization skill etither) and a basic cloak costs 9 at maxed out skills. Now lets look at gallente-1 ADV plate+base hp with bonuses+complex shield extender= more hp than a minmitar scout with maxed skillls and 3x shield extenders, plus gallente get a 3/s armor rep. Now they can fit 3x kincats, and are faster than minmitar that was theory crafted above, and a damage mod to make them do more damage. now lets look at their pg usage- 3x15+11+5+9=70 pg. with maxed out skills, a g-scout is at over 90 pg, giving them 20 pg remaining, allowing for a cloak, and adv specialist shotgun, a basic SMG, and a stable active scanner. Their cpu is a little tight, but it all fits'' Well yeah, Min are supposed to have trouble fitting stuff. While amarr has usually less slots but higher CPU-PG values. STILL, Minmatar will be better if your purpose is NK use or Infiltration hacking. The Gal is just a better BATTLE suit... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4424	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:46:00 - [7] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The minmitar should be able to speed tank, thats it. Gallente can have more ehp and better bonuses, but i want to be an anarchist, and i really cant if i get mowed down by rail rifles in less than half a second. I agree that the nova knife and hacking bonus have their place, but thats only in a skirmish or sometimes dom, and for nova knives if your target is under 2 meters away, facing away from you, or coming out from behind a wall low lag, not doing the constant moving in a circle thing, not sprinting, not jumping, and you have luck on your side, and your target has less than 500 EHP Agreed. The minmatar scout should be able to speed tank. Also, the amarr scout should be able to not be crap. >..> AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4429	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:23:00 - [8] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Also, Amarr scout bonus is trash compared to other bonuses. Other suits receive the equivalent of a complex module or more from the suit bonuses, while the Amarr scout gets less than a basic cardiac reg. Scouts already have insane endurance. the amarr suit will compound this and leave room for other mods. don't sell it short. SCOUTS ALREADY HAVE INSANE ENDURANCE? An amarr Assault has 200 stamina same as any scout, 210 with biotics... the bonus to stamina is 30. not 50. not 100. 3 0 Stamina NEVER saved anyone from being shot at, not with AA mighty powers. Now, for the ''DONT sell it short'' part. The amarr scout is the one with the most crappy bonus, AKA: The worst of scouts. 40 more armor than gallente and 30 more stamina compared to other scouts are JUST NOT WORTH IT. He will need to SPEND a low slot to equip a cx profile dampener to have the same db as a Gal scout at level 5. He will need to spend 1 low slot on a basic range amplifier if he wants to E-war, thing that both CALDARI and GALLENTE scouts have. Not to mention the amount of slots needed to surpass a Minmatar scout speed OR Hacking capabilities AND the fact he will never be able to cause as much damage with NKnives. In the GAl vs Amarr part: a Gallente can equip a complex reactive plate ,and have similar (or more) Armor than an Amarr AND having 5 armor rep per second. Thing the Amarr would need a low slot for a complex armor rep and a SECOND slot , to surpass the Gal scout's current HP. I could agree if the amarr scout had MORE H & L Slots , but the fact is, they dont and they will never have. they have a bonus that can be replicated by ANY OTHER SCOUT with 1 MLT cardiac regulator (if needed) and nothing else to brag for... Amarr vs: Minmatar: Faster, 3x Sidearm damage mods worth in bonus, 1 Complex Code-breaker worth in bonus ( which is an EXPENSIVE module to fit),balanced slot layout 3L 3H. Gallente:Faster, 1cx profile dampener with in bonus, 1 Basic Range amp worth in bonus, has 40 less armor than the amarr,but compensates with Speed + 10 Shield HP + 3 armor rep per sec. Caldari:Has the ability to SHIELD tank,having great shield regeneration proprieties and high slots. Greatest E-War suit with both Basic Range amplifier and complex precision enhancer as a bonus. Faster of course. What does the amarr have? mr. Dont sell it short? AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4432	Posted - 2014.02.07 05:21:00 - [9] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Hahaha I just posted more math explaining why the bonus is amazing. AHAH SWEET! I will be looking forward to squadding up with you an YOUR PROTO AMARR SCOUT , see how well it fares vs my Gal scout ok? :3 (YOU ARE , after all, going to use the Amarr Scout right? Since the bonus is sooo amazing there is no other suit that can compare...?) AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4437	Posted - 2014.02.07 05:49:00 - [10] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: I'm not saying it's better than any other suit, I'm saying that the claims that it's bonus is very small in comparison with the other 3 scout suit bonuses is false when you consider the extremely likely probability of "tanking" the bonus with a module. I prefer the current Gallente scout and already have the range skills maxed out and planned on becoming a stealth/radar beacon because that's my play style most of the time. I have the kin kats maxed as well for my minmatar scout if speed tanking becomes viable again. The decision regarding which suit to choose is not dependent on the stats as much as my play style. That being said, a slower scout is not my style, but it may ultimately be able to travel more effectively than the rest overall. I see that you're trying to trap me into admitting that I will probably not choose the Amarr scout and implying that my previous post does not reflect how I feel about the suits myself. Neither are true. Look bro. Facts are facts. Stamina is fun, but unless i get something like 100% Melee damage to go with it, its useless. I wouldn't use the Amarr scout even if it had 200% Stamina and Stamina recovery per level. Why? The same reason why YOU wont spend a single SP on the damn suit. Because it sucks. Now stop trying to convince people who ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEC IN THE SUIT , that its good, if your not even going to use it yourself. ok? STamina is a sh- bonus doesnt matter how you try to cover it: +100% Stamina and Stamina regen < 25%Profile dampening +100% Stamina and Stamina regen < 25% Scan Radius +100% Stamina and Stamina regen < 25% NK Damage +100% Stamina and Stamina regen < 25% Hacking speed +100% Stamina and Stamina regen < 25% Scan precision GOT IT? good. AceOfJokers666** [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4437	Posted - 2014.02.07 05:59:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Hahaha I just posted more math explaining why the bonus is amazing. AHAH SWEET! I will be looking forward to squadding up with you an YOUR PROTO AMARR SCOUT , see how well it fares vs my Gal scout ok? :3 (YOU ARE , after all, going to use the Amarr Scout right? Since the bonus is sooo amazing there is no other suit that can compare...?) I'm not saying it's better than any other suit, I'm saying that the claims that it's bonus is very small in comparison with the other 3 scout suit bonuses is false when you consider the extremely likely probability of "tanking" the bonus with a module. I prefer the current Gallente scout and already have the range skills maxed out and planned on becoming a stealth/radar beacon because that's my play style most of the time. I have the kin kats maxed as well for my minmatar scout if speed tanking becomes viable again. The decision regarding which suit to choose is not dependent on the stats as much as my play style. That being said, a slower scout is not my style, but it may ultimately be able to travel more effectively than the rest overall. I see that you're trying to trap me into admitting that I will probably not choose the Amarr scout and implying that my previous post does not reflect how I feel about the suits myself. Neither are true. I just don't understand how you people don't understand its the slowest scout what good would running longer do if you run slow as **? Its has latterly ONE damn bonus that I could surpass with a basic mod. But that's not worst part I could get past all that if the bonus wasn't so like if I didn't care so much about aesthetics I'd be rocking Minmatar gear all day everyday. Ehem...... you are NOT telling me you are even THINKING of using this piece of crap of scout suit right? I mean if i get an infantry respec i'll get it to walk around the warbarge but tahts it. I'll be running (AN obviously superior) GAL scout. With 1 ENH Armor plate, 1 cx Profile Dam mod (for maximum dampening) 1 Complex armor rep module for a total of 9.25 repair per second and a complex range amplifier. This next to whatever Precision enhancer i can fit. AceOfJokers666** [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4448	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:03:00 - [12] - Quote @ Toby Flenderson Thats the thing smartass. The suit is NO ONE'S CUP OF TEA........... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4448	Posted - 2014.02.07 22:17:00 - [13] - Quote I'll give it to Toby Flenderson. If this was a world without AA and Good strafing mechanics, the Amarr scout with his miserable STAMINA bonus could be good. BUt as it is, having 30 more stamina than other scouts wont make the slightest of differences. Its just ,again, a stupid bonus since it wont help you do ANYTHING , except when a match startes to run and take objectives... (and calling a LAV would still be smarter...) On the other side of the coin, i dont know why Toby Flenderson is SO AGAINST amarrs being happy with their scout suit,which we have waited for months.... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4454	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:31:00 - [14] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Toby Flenderson Thats the thing smartass. The suit is NO ONE'S CUP OF TEA........... Boldboldbold. You really don't understand what opinions are. I'm struggling to take you seriously but it's getting very difficult to read past the bold arrogance. I use bold to find my posts faster since my vision is highly deteriorated. More than arrogant, smart.... What , opinions are? Bro, please find me one person that will be using the Amarr scout FOR ITS BONUS, and i'll drop it. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4456	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:47:00 - [15] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I like its aesthetics that is all, the only Amarr suit worth using is the logi and maybe the heavy(I say maybe because it doesnt have a weapon to call its own). Most people that will use the Amarr scout is for either aesthetics or because they are amarr loyalists. NO ONE, i mean NO ONE, will say, OMG the Amarr Scout Bonus is the best! im going to spend 3mill on this suit. NO.ONE. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4467	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:42:00 - [16] - Quote The amarr scout sucks. End thread/ AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4469	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:15:00 - [17] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I'll give it to Toby Flenderson. If this was a world without AA and Good strafing mechanics, the Amarr scout with his miserable STAMINA bonus could be good. BUt as it is, having 30 more stamina than other scouts wont make the slightest of differences. Its just ,again, a stupid bonus since it wont help you do ANYTHING , except when a match startes to run and take objectives... (and calling a LAV would still be smarter...) On the other side of the coin, i dont know why Toby Flenderson is SO AGAINST amarrs being happy with their scout suit,which we have waited for months.... Haha if I'm happy with it why would I want it to be better just so other people will use it? It's not going to be FOTM like the rest of the suits have potential to be, but it's still a good suit. So you ARE Confirming you are Biased after all! You are NOT Speccing into it. YOU ARE HAPPY WITH IT because is bad, your dont want it to be usable like the rest with a weak excuse like ''i dont want it to be FOTM''. Your posts there by, are all Meaningless since you have openly admitted that you WONT use the suit and you want it to remain BAD, so that no one specs into it. You sir , are a swine and you are not my na.* Look kid, LOOK at all the REST of the bonuses ,scouts,Commandos,heavy Sentinels,Assaults and Logis have. Then Look at the Amarr SCOUT one. YOU SERIOUSLY THINK ITS OK? No, of course not, you know its crap,you defend the bonus just for the trolls... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4469	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:01:00 - [18] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: @ Toby Flenderson Thats the thing smartass. The suit is NO ONE'S CUP OF TEA........... Boldboldbold. You really don't understand what opinions are. I'm struggling to take you seriously but it's getting very difficult to read past the bold arrogance. I use bold to find my posts faster since my vision is highly deteriorated. More than arrogant, smart.... What , opinions are? Bro, please find me one person that will be using the Amarr scout FOR ITS BONUS, and i'll drop it. Jera 13. See you later. WTH is Jera13 Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4469	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:02:00 - [19] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I'll give it to Toby Flenderson. If this was a world without AA and Good strafing mechanics, the Amarr scout with his miserable STAMINA bonus could be good. BUt as it is, having 30 more stamina than other scouts wont make the slightest of differences. Its just ,again, a stupid bonus since it wont help you do ANYTHING , except when a match startes to run and take objectives... (and calling a LAV would still be smarter...) On the other side of the coin, i dont know why Toby Flenderson is SO AGAINST amarrs being happy with their scout suit,which we have waited for months.... Haha if I'm happy with it why would I want it to be better just so other people will use it? It's not going to be FOTM like the rest of the suits have potential to be, but it's still a good suit. So you ARE Confirming you are Biased after all! You are NOT Speccing into it. YOU ARE HAPPY WITH IT because is bad, your dont want it to be usable like the rest with a weak excuse like ''i dont want it to be FOTM''. Your posts there by, are all Meaningless since you have openly admitted that you WONT use the suit and you want it to remain BAD, so that no one specs into it. You sir , are a swine and you are not my na.* Look kid, LOOK at all the REST of the bonuses ,scouts,Commandos,heavy Sentinels,Assaults and Logis have. Then Look at the Amarr SCOUT one. YOU SERIOUSLY THINK ITS OK? No, of course not, you know its crap,you defend the bonus just for the trolls... Ace, if the bonus is bad, then propose a better one. Note: A better one doesn't necessarily mean "Faster than Minmatar Scout" I honestly don't see a problem with it since the Amarr are notorious slowasses and the Minmatar are notorious for being speed tanked. Different Bonuses for the amarr scout are being discussed. Please refer to my SIG. BTW, BONUS =/= Base stats of the suit. Just saying Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4471	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:57:00 - [20] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Good point, I still don't see a problem with the Amarr Scout being slower than the Minmatar Assault (Note: It has been edited, though I derped the dropsuit, I meant Minmatar Assault, not Minmatar Scout) Oh im sorry. The thread has evolved from that a little. The issue i and some of my like minded brethren are discussing is that the Amarr scout being slow is not that bad. IT GETS BAD when you take into account the joke of a Bonus CCP decided to give it. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029