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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:17:00 -
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So everyone here is probably seen the Dropsuit changes happening in 1.8. One this in particular is that Scouts are pretty much going to be the only ones that can use Cloaks without royally hamstringing themselves. Basically, Cloaks take a massive amount of CPU/PG but all Scouts get 15% CPU/PG reduction per level of Scout suit. Scouts also seem to be getting additional PG/CPU and are getting a free equipment slot (most likely so they can put a Cloak there). But how does that play for the BPO Dropsuits?
If the Valor/Dren/Dragonfly don't get the bonuses and/or the additional CPU/PG, they will be flat out inferior. Does this mean that they are not going to be useful? |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4564
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:20:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:So everyone here is probably seen the Dropsuit changes happening in 1.8. One this in particular is that Scouts are pretty much going to be the only ones that can use Cloaks without royally hamstringing themselves. Basically, Cloaks take a massive amount of CPU/PG but all Scouts get 15% CPU/PG reduction per level of Scout suit. Scouts also seem to be getting additional PG/CPU and are getting a free equipment slot (most likely so they can put a Cloak there). But how does that play for the BPO Dropsuits? If the Valor/Dren/Dragonfly don't get the bonuses and/or the additional CPU/PG, they will be flat out inferior. Does this mean that they are not going to be useful?
They get their respective racial bonuses now, why would they not after 1.8? |
Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1226
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:22:00 -
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I'd figured the BPOs would be tweaked to match their Militia / Standard counterparts. |
Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1814
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:25:00 -
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Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
New born sAMARRi
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
6306
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:26:00 -
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These suits already get the skill bonuses if you have levels in Gallente Scout, so don't see why that should change next update. The concern that they will not be updated properly with the extra equipment slot and CPU/PG however is valid and may be something CCP overlooks. Hopefully not, but it doesn't hurt to point it out.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
781
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:28:00 -
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As long as you spec into Gallente Scout, you'll get the bonuses. The BPO scouts ate Gallente after all. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4564
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:30:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:As long as you spec into Gallente Scout, you'll get the bonuses. The BPO scouts ate Gallente after all.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
411
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:40:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
When they were bought under the impressions of "these are just as good as the regular variants", don't you see how that could make people upset, especially considering they were bought with actual money? It doesn't bother me in the least, I don't use any BPO suits that are not race tied, but I figured it was a valid question considering it may very well be that those suits end up becoming disused because of the shift in the game.
And I am telling mommy you are mean... |
Jimmy McNaulty
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
7
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:50:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
"You're**** Stupid" |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
335
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:59:00 -
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message from Godin: You are crystal balling bro. They are scout suits, of course they will get the bonuses. Well, if you skill into Gal scout you will. |
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
412
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:02:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: You are crystal balling bro. They are scout suits, of course they will get the bonuses. Well, if you skill into Gal scout you will.
Don't mean to be. I am just curious if there will be a bump in CPU/PG. Wasn't a declaration, just a question. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
651
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:45:00 -
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you forgot about the skinweave suits
Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today?
I do maths, and sit in a corner.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4568
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:47:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:you forgot about the skinweave suits
Those are just Militia suits, right? So they don't get a bonus at all. |
True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6467
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Posted - 2014.02.02 10:39:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:So everyone here is probably seen the Dropsuit changes happening in 1.8. One this in particular is that Scouts are pretty much going to be the only ones that can use Cloaks without royally hamstringing themselves. Basically, Cloaks take a massive amount of CPU/PG but all Scouts get 15% CPU/PG reduction per level of Scout suit. Scouts also seem to be getting additional PG/CPU and are getting a free equipment slot (most likely so they can put a Cloak there). But how does that play for the BPO Dropsuits? If the Valor/Dren/Dragonfly don't get the bonuses and/or the additional CPU/PG, they will be flat out inferior. Does this mean that they are not going to be useful?
Considering you never have to pay for them again......they are what they are. Basic Frame Scout suits.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1153
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Posted - 2014.02.02 10:46:00 -
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Dragonfly Scout is a STD scout suit right?
Talk about that one could be cost effective with dragonfly scout suit BPO (gal scout 5) + AR BPO prof 4 + Ion pistol.
Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
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Atom Heart Mother
Nazionali Senza Filtro
112
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Posted - 2014.02.02 10:46:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
Raven does too |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
498
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Posted - 2014.02.02 10:58:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
LOL, so so wrong. Now who's the stupid one? Covenant Assault BPO gets role bonuses if you skill into Cal Assault (same as all the other Cal Assault BPOs). Same for all the Gal Scout BPOs. The only Dropsuit BPOs to NOT get role bonuses are the militia frames.
*rolls eyes*
Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó
Trained Skills
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Omareth Nasadra
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
284
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Posted - 2014.02.02 11:04:00 -
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i run a dragonfly scout all the time for a little more than a month, i don't have a cloack on it and usually finish top 3, they won't be useless, i don't even have point in gal scout, it's not the suit that matters, it's how you play and how you understand it's limit and capability, i'm glad i have this bpo in my collection, awesome suit tbh 
Minmatar, In rust we trust!!!
Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
560
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Posted - 2014.02.02 11:10:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
Thats outright wrong, the valor is clearly stated as scout (and to mykowledge you need gal scout level on to use them) the same is true for the sver logi and raven assault.
Even the dragonfly scout and assault are rated as scout assault suits. Soo all this BPO suits get their bonusses... |
Omareth Nasadra
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
284
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Posted - 2014.02.02 11:11:00 -
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and also, i don't plan to be a cloacky scout all the time, sure this bpo will come handy with it's 2 equipment slot, i'll run scanner/uplink or remote, still gonna be good
Minmatar, In rust we trust!!!
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
894
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Posted - 2014.02.02 11:53:00 -
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You do realize that the Dragonfly Scout stats changed from Chromosome to Uprising, so there is precedence that when they change the suit all versions of it are updated. . . because, damn, I'd love the original dragonfly stats over current ones.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected]
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1103
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Posted - 2014.02.02 12:31:00 -
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Woah, there's some serious miss information going on here. As it stands now the Dragonfly, Dren, and Valor are not basic frames. They are standard racial scouts, and they do indeed get the bonus (I have personally tested this). I see no reason why this would change in 1.8.
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demonkiller 12
G.L.O.R.Y
384
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Posted - 2014.02.02 13:03:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
what about the dragonfly assault suit? |
OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
1331
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Posted - 2014.02.02 13:38:00 -
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Ya they get the bonuses, an actually it makes the scout bpo s the best ones, why you ask .... Well it's the only bpo now with a built in armor rep!
Plus it'll have
1h
3L
2e
1light w
1sidearm
1grenade
35db
75%to cloak reduction if you have gal scout to 5
Plus 5% reduction to db and +5% to range if gal five as well= best damn bpo!
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2014.02.02 13:40:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class. what about the dragonfly assault suit?
...........all std bpo's that are not basic frame get bonus
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
269
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Posted - 2014.02.02 13:54:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
No they are the basic "scout,heavy,assult" etc so they benefit from racial bonuses
So my dren scout has the racial benefits of my lvl in gallante scout and that is lvl 5
In other word it's a basic scout not a basic basic =ƒÿÅ
War never changes
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
245
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Posted - 2014.02.02 14:04:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:You do realize that the Dragonfly Scout stats changed from Chromosome to Uprising, so there is precedence that when they change the suit all versions of it are updated. . . because, damn, I'd love the original dragonfly stats over current ones.
This
The Dragonfly, Valor, Raven, and Sever BPO suits have changed before, I believe some have changed multiple times. There is no reason they can't or won't change for 1.8.
Also, as many have been stating, all BPO dropsuits other than the Skinweaves get role bonuses. All dropsuits have a very clear and consistent naming pattern, learn it. |
Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
364
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Posted - 2014.02.02 14:09:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Let me just start this out with "Your Stupid", this is meant to be offensive. Alright now thats said and done let's begin with they're bpo suits "What does that mean?" They don't run out,unlimited, renewable, imperishably. You'll forever have them no need to buy more than one. And now on the the next part, all bpo suit except the Templar ones are Basic standards that means no bonuses to a specific class.
I hope you washed your foot before you shoved it in your mouth. Several BPO suits do indeed receive bonuses. In fact, I believe all of mine do, ranging from the sever Logi, to the dren suits. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
305
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Posted - 2014.02.02 14:27:00 -
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all the bpo 'scout' suits such as valor, dren and dragonfly are G-1 suits meaning they will get the same PG CPU as the new G-1 Scout suits (STD lv1 scout) cloaks are supposed to be a specialized piece of equipment for dedicated scouts so i would expect it be difficult to fit on anything less than ADV (unless you have lv5 scout) but the valor/DF/Dren will receive the bonus as they do now its only the Thale militia light frame bpo that doesn't get scout bonus
Proto and proud!!
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Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2014.02.02 14:54:00 -
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The devs never really gave a clear answer, but from what I read most of the time I think:
If a suit NEEDS a skill, it gets the bonuses.
So dragonfly and some others don't get bonuses, while that one scuit suit with the green camouflage gets it (forgot name).
Can some dev finally say if this is true or if ALL suits get bonuses even if they don't need the skill? |
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1103
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Posted - 2014.02.02 15:05:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:The devs never really gave a clear answer, but from what I read most of the time I think:
If a suit NEEDS a skill, it gets the bonuses.
So dragonfly and some others don't get bonuses, while that one scuit suit with the green camouflage gets it (forgot name).
Can some dev finally say if this is true or if ALL suits get bonuses even if they don't need the skill?
Don't need confirmation. I've already tested it in the field. The Dren and Dragonfly DO get the bonuses.
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Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:02:00 -
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Hm. If that is true, all the suits get it. Then I can finally base my BPO scoutsuits on the colors that I like and not always take the green camouflage ... YEEEHAAAA |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1104
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Posted - 2014.02.02 16:09:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:Hm. If that is true, all the suits get it. Then I can finally base my BPO scoutsuits on the colors that I like and not always take the green camouflage ... YEEEHAAAA
Yah, that's why you'll alway see me in the Dren, the closest color to blend in with the dirt color of the ground, most common background color in the game.
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