I think this describes the OP.

Why do I need small turrets when I'm soloing the enemy team?

It makes no sense.

Could you be anymore ********

So you cry about the guys crying congrats you are above them

I don't think you understand. MLT tanks are fine, MLT tank spam is not fine xD. But this is mainly in ambush

Nope.

To be fair, I roll with a Gunnlogi, not a MLT tank.

Though I usually always encounter AV when I'm face-rolling them. The only AV I've ever died to was a group of FG users who caught me when I was half-sleeping.

What does a better tank have to do with anything? That's like saying Logistics aren't OP because someone fielded a better Logistics. Oh wait...

I've never played COD btw. Why does everyone always bring up COD?

and what exactly do you call real AV

Yes they have the same modules to make it fair for new tankers I believe. But a well fit Gunlogi or that other tank and easily beat a MLT tank and that same tank will require more AV to take it down.

Let me see:
GÖª Call in Sica with Blaster (if no enemy tanks) or Rail turret.
GÖª Own everything without much problem.
GÖª Not even FG present a threat to me
GÖª If another tank (the only true threat) appears i try to take him town, i have 2 shield hardeners that work pretty neet
GÖª If im getting outgunned and feel i wont win , i activate my ARMOR Hardener, i jump off my Sica, and recall.It only takes like 2 seconds.
GÖª I try to take out the tank on foot with my Sentinel BPO and DAU.
GÖª If i die, i only loose 1 DAU ASsault FG.

Seems PRETTY POWERFUL TO ME.

doesn't answer the question

you said use real av. i asked you "what exactly do you call real av", as in, what in your eyes do you see as real av. this is what we all want to know because apparently you are the only person in dust who has any

but rely Forgun + MLT = dead tank on the rood same with a a well fitted AV AVD SL drop suit .

With my skills in vehicles I can easily fit a milita sica with a milita blaster hardener, extender and a basic pg upgrade and be unstoppable to anything short of a std tank or milita rail gun with damage mods. When I first tried this I took out 5 other milita tanks like it was cake. Infantry? Psh, milita blaster eats them.
If you fit an enhanced pg extender then you can fit a turret, a complex gives you two. For the whopping price of 90k......
I can make more money running milita tanks than I can flying my proto fit assault dropship with close to max skills. Those run me 6-700k a pop and die in two shots to a milita rail tank faster than i can even turn on a modual, that costs less than an 8th of my dropship without me even being able to fly over him and engage.

A milita tank, with milita mods, is better than my assault dropship, with a full proto fit.... Do you wonder why dropship pilots are hanging up their wings for a tank? I have even come to the realization that the beat way to make my money back is to drive a tank. I hate that....so the complaints are justified, please don't try and tell me milita tanks aren't horribly out of balance, you aren't fooling anyone.

MLT tanks are completely fine.

They die easy. Anyone can jump in them and make it somewhat relevant.

They are easy to kill and usually the only tank AV can kill.

They are the only answer to killing tankers who know anything... The best answer to another tank is a MLT tank.

When you nerf MLT tanks it won't make it better for Infantry but it will make it better for dedicated tankers. As they won't have to worry about anyone but dedicated tankers.


MLT tanks is not a problem in DUST they are a balance factor.

That blame lies with CCP's battle Academy. Fact that there is no walk through to even using a MLT swarm launcher or forge gun in Academy shows you alot.

is the legendary rail gun tanker playing this game again. O_O

i need to play against u XD.

<3.

Because a majority of ppl left r so bad it hurts. :(

they make u play 15 minutes before u can post.

Sica with 3 hardeners?

Shows how much you know.

there cheep thats all there ................................................................

During my trial of the milita tank I encountered plenty of AV, none of it really scared me or made me react any differently than usual, point and click. Unless there was a proto forge gun, then I had to get fancy and stop (on a dime) and roll backwards slightly. If they waited to ambush I would just throw on my hardener and drive away, yeah good luck charging that forge gun 3 times before I'm gone. Jihad jeeps? Easy, shoot them. Remote dets? Lol my tank is so fast, try catching it before I get my blaster on you scout. Swarm launchers? Hahahaha stop it that tickles!
I watched 3 guys switch to adv swarms, one proto to try and stop me..........................................


Please try and tell me how that's not op.

I love Militia Tank spam. It gives me a reason to pull out my RE's again. So fun to run up to a tank and put down RE's and take it out.

So many people think tanks are OP that they go grab Militia tanks and think they can be powerful. Maybe against the average to bellow average player, yes, but man are they fun to hunt if you have experience fighting them.

ive gone through maybe 100 tanks since 1.7, NEVER lost any to AV infantry, only to railguns across the map, get rid of militia tanks, but normal tanks and little and give them a super high price

This coming from the tanker that's a big fan of redline railing. Which I suggest you stick with, rolling with the big boys isn't your thing

And zomg, you run guns on your tank from the redline.

EPIC FAIL

Why are there vehicles in ambush

they are really weak but vehicles do need stacking penalties and clip adjustments should be made also ..makes skill more a factor and limits weaker end tanks dmg stream

even then a MLT is still ez to bring down.[

I just took out 2 Gunnlogi and 1 madie with a Sica 2 damage modifiers 1 armor plate and a armor hardner. No skills in vehicles but I killed guys who were. Please explain how the mlt tanks are not op

Literally all you need to win a game of Dust:

• A squad of 5
• At least one person with tank skill
• All of them immediately call down tanks at the beginning of the match
• Team up on enemy vehicles, kill infantry
• Easily redline them

Or simply

1. Skill into Rail tanks yourself
2. Park it on a mountain with a view of the battlefield
3. You are now an invincible vehicle-slayer

Are you autistic? You are sounding more and more like a Cod scrub. Tanks easy to kill correct if you have multiple av but if someone like myself with no skills in vehicles can go 33/2 in a mlt tank something is wrong VERY WRONG. In my Mt tank I can just sit in a spot and take forge gun rounds then just back off and then I'm good again. That is wrong if you get hit you shouldn't be able to rep quickly shields need lower recharge rate armor needs same. Why? Because science and game play that's why. Tanks should have high damage but hard to operate with alot of HP not high hp high armor rep high damage easy to use.

This, so much this. Militia tanks are the only thing making the game halfway playable for infantry at the moment. Without them on the field high SP tankers would swap their rails for blasters and go into fulltime farming mode.

The obvious problem with the game is that all tanks are obscenely overpowered.

Why is there a MLT forge, but no MLT HMG?

Great idea! Now the guy that specced into his chosen role can't play one of the only 3 gamemodes offered...


Seriously, just stop talking kid.

Okay either you are mentally ******** or you are a kindergartner. Please leave dust to the people who can spell and think correctly. Go back to cod.

Infantry only game modes will stop this if u cant play well together il split u up on a side not sica will lay waste to all tanks 2 harders 3 tanks 1 clip recall get bk on it

yes mlt tanks are not overpowered or too strong when i can put an ion cannon, complex fuel injector , complex heavy rep and complex armour hardner and a basic scanner. and has the same EHP as my madruagr fitting.

the problem with the millita tanks is that apart from the reduction of 1 low or high, and only about 50 cpu can 200 pwr grid diffrenece. they are the same as std.

millita tanks should be slower, have lower ehp. reduced cpu by 100 and pwr grid by 250, lower scan stenrth. then that way they are defently millita tanks that anyone can use as reduced effectiveness compared to std. that way if they want to continue tanking they have move into std to actually be threat.

or tanks and thier modules in general could get increses in prices so they are not spamable and only PEOPLE WHO HAVE SKILLED INTO USEING TANKS. are able to effectivley field them.

i mean. since when does a millita suit have the same ehp and stats as a proto suit minus the fitting and slots.
cant tanks be like this as well. millita has less ehp and scan strength and is easier to deal with than std.

But but but I love my Sica... He loves driving over jihad jeeps and eating them, YUM. It's pretty fun going into a pub match, call in like 3 MLT tanks and just demolish the other teams.

MLT tanks are a pretty hot topic with tankers and non tankers alike. Do ambush, and you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I myself have been doing ambush rather exclusively, trying to just run the infantry game. More often than not, I'm forced to pull out a pro tank to clear the field of the somo's and sica's. Or any tank for that matter.

Let's break the problem down. It's about the strength of a milita tank, given the SP investment (0), the insanely low price of milita tanks (spammable), and the power of the rail gun.

So, you lose one slot, either a high slot or low slot, depending on the type.

A sica for example has 2 highs and 2 lows. Regardless of PG/CPU restrictions, a sica can overcome them with the low slots. Imagine a blaster, running duel hardeners against infantry. The only thing that changes on hardeners as they scale up is the CD period. So 24 seconds up time at 60% resistance times 2. Immune to pretty much all AV while hardeners are up. But after that 24 to 48 seconds, LONG COOLDOWN. That's cool, back up and call another in, or lose it and call another one in. After all, it only cost you 60k for that single tank.

How much is 60K? For me it's about 2 of my advanced dropsuits fitted up with a mix of ADV and Basic stuff. That is CHEAP. But the thing is, a MLT tank is nothing like a dropsuit. It's immune to small arms, and if fit for tank, immune to anything but a tank or forge gun. I think the biggest reason these are spammed so much is the incredibly low cost coupled with the incredible durability and power.

But think about it will you, what happens when one side spams 6 MLT tanks out. You act like it's SO easy to destroy one, but have you ever tried as infantry. A single forge gunner is not going to typically clear the field of these tanks. Even 2 will be struggling, but even then have you ever been hit by a MLT forge gun or anything less than PRO. It tickles. This is a MLT tank we are talking and you need PRO weapons to take it out?

And while you are focusing on the tanks with half your team because they are mowing you down, they are still running 10 dedicated infantry killers, and yr running around in AV. Do you not see how imbalanced this becomes?

And no, I don't want to hear, oh well wait for hardeners, because I KNOW this is easy to work around. Given the cost, losing one isn't a problem, nor is calling in a fresh one.

Yes, there are many ways AV can take out tanks, but do you expect every single person to spec into AV? Or that they can even use it against said tanks. Have you ever tried to AV down 6 blasters outside of your tank with AV?

And the worst part is, it takes NO SP to be proficient in a MLT. Yes, something does need to be done with MLT (IE raise the cost).

AND THIS, ladies and gentlemen , is the FIRST TIME I AGREE WITH SPKR4.

There should be MLT EVERYTHING.

The LACK of MLT Everything is what makes people spend SP in useless stuff to try them out.

I'm willing to admit a few problems with tanks, but you're insane if you think that mlt prices and mods don't contribute heavily.

The problems as I see them are : hardeners run for way too long in general making them always more useful than hp increasing modules (there is zero tactical use), railgun (and to a lesser extent missile) damage is absurd and is only further compounded by insane bonuses from damage mods (which should be cut down to 15-20%), tanks are very very fast (I think an operable speed would be about 23-25m/s before plates come in), hp increasing modules aren't worth fitting when they should really be the standard and hardeners the 'ohshit' button, dual repairer fits can be prettymuch invincible to light/less skilled av, tank costs are much too cheap (I understand that no one wants to go 6 battles to buy one toy but I think the costs of hulls & large turrets need to go up), tank versus tank right now falls into 'who saw who first', blaster RoF is high enough that it allows spray and pray vs infantry.

I would like to see health increasing modules be worth fitting (remember this slows down armor tanks and puts them in stand and deliver while shield tanks are supposed to be hit and run, hardeners length reduced promoting tactical use, the amount of repair on armor modules go down somewhat (meaning that you can repair incidental damage if a threat is dealt with but if you get beat back its time to find a supply depot), railgun damage lowered by about 250 and damage mods reduced to about 20%, and finally I would like to see blasters get a RoF reduction (but moderate damage increase) as well as an overall increase to cost on tanks to make them comparable or slightly more than an assault dropship for isk value.

Tanks are in many ways much better than some previous patches but in other ways they're much worse - I think that we can make tanks better still but also have them be balanced and fun.

Hah, man you are such a scrub.

I send you GG back just to not be a ****, but after seeing your "post" here, I know I can safely ignore those messages for now. Perhaps you have forgotten the games I outright owned your tank. Or how about anytime you want to roll out of your redline, I'm always there to beat you down.

I found it very much funny, that when I ran into your redline, you actually backed up, WAY up. I was like seriously, you are going to hide back there. But it's ok man, I did that at one time. Back when I was learning to tank, I redlined sniped. Then I got good. Waiting on some more tank changes, so it can go back to being a skilled class, and not this easy I WIN button it has become.

All I can say to you bad furry, enjoy it while it lasts. Just because YOU can't see anything wrong with tanks, doesn't mean problems don't exist. You simply won't acknowledge them.