DUST Search - ADV gear players are hypocrites?

Monkey MAC wrote:

Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:

So... I have noticed this for a long time and are wondering what everyone thinks about this.

MLT and STD die and hate on everyone who has better gear than them. "You only won because of your better gear"

ADV cries at Proto and screams "protosomping!"

Proto nags at people who use officer weapons. "Wow really? Officer in a pub?"

One thing I am curious about is why no one hates on people who run ADV? ADV is still very strong and can easily destroy people in MLT and STD.

The way I see it, people ALWAYS complain about something they get beaten by because no one really admits defeat. They all just say it's crap and they should have won. (They should always win because they are obviously superior than anyone else in the world lol)

ADV players complain a lot about Protos yet they are running the 2nd most powerful tiered suits and 3rd most powerful tiered weapons...

It is like someone complaining about a guy using an officer weapon yet they are running proto. "How dare he run an officer weapon in a pub! It's not like I am running strong gear too!"

So... isn't running ADV gear while complaining about proto and officer hypocritical? ADV gear is strong and can easily smack around MLT and STD.

Also, if another dropsuit that is tiered above Proto comes out and people spam it in pubs. How much you want to bet proto won't be bad anymore but that new tier will be? Roll

Either way, new players get screwed by everything no matter what tier it is because many do not know how to play and get tossed into the same games as everyone else.

Side note: Proto is called proto because it is a prototype (obviously). Aka, it is a test suit, an experiment so... what would the final version be? Blink

Imagine the slaughter in pubs... holy ****.

Im gonna assume you haven't actually encountered a protostomper. My minnie assault advanced has less EHP than my Amarr Frontline, My Minnie Assault Prototype has 2 times armour than my Amarr Frontline has full EHP.

The only difference: My Proto runs proto plates, and Proto Extenders

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Shiyou Hidiyoshi 66	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:11:00 - [1] - Quote So... I have noticed this for a long time and are wondering what everyone thinks about this. MLT and STD die and hate on everyone who has better gear than them. "You only won because of your better gear" ADV cries at Proto and screams "protosomping!" Proto nags at people who use officer weapons. "Wow really? Officer in a pub?" One thing I am curious about is why no one hates on people who run ADV? ADV is still very strong and can easily destroy people in MLT and STD. The way I see it, people ALWAYS complain about something they get beaten by because no one really admits defeat. They all just say it's crap and they should have won. (They should always win because they are obviously superior than anyone else in the world lol) ADV players complain a lot about Protos yet they are running the 2nd most powerful tiered suits and 3rd most powerful tiered weapons... It is like someone complaining about a guy using an officer weapon yet they are running proto. "How dare he run an officer weapon in a pub! It's not like I am running strong gear too!" So... isn't running ADV gear while complaining about proto and officer hypocritical? ADV gear is strong and can easily smack around MLT and STD. Also, if another dropsuit that is tiered above Proto comes out and people spam it in pubs. How much you want to bet proto won't be bad anymore but that new tier will be? Either way, new players get screwed by everything no matter what tier it is because many do not know how to play and get tossed into the same games as everyone else. Side note: Proto is called proto because it is a prototype (obviously). Aka, it is a test suit, an experiment so... what would the final version be? Imagine the slaughter in pubs... holy ****. Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10496	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:15:00 - [2] - Quote My soul burns Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 43	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:16:00 - [3] - Quote The whole "prototype" tier instantly reminded of the trend in Gundam where the hero always some super prototype mecha that stomps everything else. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:16:00 - [4] - Quote Spam=QQ. Thats the maths. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 66	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:18:00 - [5] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Spam=QQ. Thats the maths. This math is too complex for some though. This is some grade A college Calculus **** lol. Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 58	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:19:00 - [6] - Quote I try to help out as many new players as possible. I've seen so many get stomped with the first match and then quit. But, It is what it is, So far. You just have to be determined to keep playing. Which is sometimes hard to do. For my ck.0 Logistics, I run it pretty much all the time. I usually end up spending 80% of the match reviving, repping and dispersing ammunition. I just use my Proto-Suit because of its CPU/PG allowances for my Proto-Equipment. I rarely use my ADV stuff and I should probably make fits for them. You don't know my life! You don't know how many nanites to put in my cereal!
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 120	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:21:00 - [7] - Quote If the amount of different types of gear in EVE is any indication, then there is a lot of room in Dust to grow with dropsuits, weapons, modules and vehicles. The items in EVE range from basic, faction, tech 2, tech 3, pirate, storyline, deadspace and officer items. Who knows if dust will ever get another higher tier of items, but EVE lore would definitely allow it. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 3815	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:23:00 - [8] - Quote I don't really care about people using advanced. The reason is that it is the best gear we have to fight proto stompers without going proto ourselves. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 66	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:26:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I don't really care about people using advanced. The reason is that it is the best gear we have to fight proto stompers without going proto ourselves. That's the same thing people say about running proto though and many people run ADV gear in pubs that are filled with nothing but MLT and STD. Personally, I don't care what anyone runs. I have a suit that is a MLT Shotgun on a Proto Caldairy assault with 3 KitKats. I like being a pretend scout sometimes :D Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
Dericha A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 20	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:31:00 - [10] - Quote The community is not complaining about advanced suits because they don't care about advanced suits. You're suggesting that they should care, but your premise is incorrect. You believe this is about winning and losing, when really it's about the cost of winning and losing. Therefore, with advanced gear use being relatively attainable from an SP and maintainable ISK standpoint, the community isn't up in arms about it. Let me break it down for you. You can put together an all advanced suit for between 30K and 55k ISK. You can run a few of those and break even in a single skirmish making between 150k and 250k ISK per match. Proto suits cost around 200k to 250k ISK, so dying a few times means you wipe out 5-10 games worth of ISK gains, not including the cost of the suits used in those games. The visceral response to proto comes in when people who have billions from closed beta and PC can play in suits that cost more than they gain in a match and other players cannot do that. So the non-billionaires get killed, lose money, are farther away form having billions to run proto, and it feels unfair. Unfair feels unfun. This is also why you don't hear a giant cry to nerf passives. Passive bonuses greatly attribute to winning, gear aside, but those are attainable to the player base with time and the players without them can stay ISK positive. Again, pro V helps a lot, but you can do a lot with pro III passives.

Shiyou Hidiyoshi 67	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote Dericha wrote: The community is not complaining about advanced suits because they don't care about advanced suits. You're suggesting that they should care, but your premise is incorrect. You believe this is about winning and losing, when really it's about the cost of winning and losing. Therefore, with advanced gear use being relatively attainable from an SP and maintainable ISK standpoint, the community isn't up in arms about it. Let me break it down for you. You can put together an all advanced suit for between 30K and 55k ISK. You can run a few of those and break even in a single skirmish making between 150k and 250k ISK per match. Proto suits cost around 200k to 250k ISK, so dying a few times means you wipe out 5-10 games worth of ISK gains, not including the cost of the suits used in those games. The visceral response to proto comes in when people who have billions from closed beta and PC can play in suits that cost more than they gain in a match and other players cannot do that. So the non-billionaires get killed, lose money, are farther away form having billions to run proto, and it feels unfair. Unfair feels unfun. This is also why you don't hear a giant cry to nerf passives. Passive bonuses greatly attribute to winning, gear aside, but those are attainable to the player base with time and the players without them can stay ISK positive. Again, pro V helps a lot, but you can do a lot with pro III passives. 1. I am not suggesting anything, I made the thread to see what everyone thinks. I like to perform social experiments :P 2. I didn't mean it as "Winning or losing" but as being able to move around with dying in less than a second when someone in ADV gear or Proto sees you. (that can be considered winning or losing depending on what you consider as winning or losing) 3. You can use Proto in pubs and still have a positive isk income (I do). ADV could be harmful to your wallet too if you die a lot and have ADV tiered gear all over it. 4. you are right about SP and getting ADV gear but it is still a wait, just not as long as going for Proto. 5. Proto can be around 100 to 130K (like mine) and still destroy everything on the field that walks. I am able to run proto every game and many times I kill myself when goofing around with friends. You can still go positive isk wise. I turn down paychecks, give money to people for no reason, play PC when I feel like it, and always run proto often. I have 1 million isk with over 30 proto suits and have been having the same amount for around... 4 to 5 months. (I just reached 1 mill isk lol). Of course, maybe i'm just an exception and are very good at managing my isk. :P 6. I agree with the passive skills part Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1068	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:00:00 - [12] - Quote I just laugh when I see an officer weapon because I know exactly who to target, I love relieving people of their officer weapons. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 768	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:03:00 - [13] - Quote Yet no one complains about proto scouts out in the field... LOL
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1525	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:06:00 - [14] - Quote ADV= less than 2 weeks of gameplay 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 384	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:07:00 - [15] - Quote CANT W8 FOR THE T3 drop suits and mods ! :D Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 67	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:08:00 - [16] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Yet no one complains about proto scouts out in the field... LOL Unless that scout is Roner General What that guy does to get entire corps to hate him is beyond me lol. Some it I know why (He is a massive troll) Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1116	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:12:00 - [17] - Quote It's not black, that's why. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 68	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote Zekain K wrote: It's not black, that's why. Proto: Why you hate me? Community: because... Proto: Because i'm black? That's it isn't it! Ya'll hate me cus i'm black. Community: No! No that's not it, it's because... Proto: cause i'm black right? Racist... Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1766	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:27:00 - [19] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: So... I have noticed this for a long time and are wondering what everyone thinks about this. MLT and STD die and hate on everyone who has better gear than them. "You only won because of your better gear" ADV cries at Proto and screams "protosomping!" Proto nags at people who use officer weapons. "Wow really? Officer in a pub?" One thing I am curious about is why no one hates on people who run ADV? ADV is still very strong and can easily destroy people in MLT and STD. The way I see it, people ALWAYS complain about something they get beaten by because no one really admits defeat. They all just say it's crap and they should have won. (They should always win because they are obviously superior than anyone else in the world lol) ADV players complain a lot about Protos yet they are running the 2nd most powerful tiered suits and 3rd most powerful tiered weapons... It is like someone complaining about a guy using an officer weapon yet they are running proto. "How dare he run an officer weapon in a pub! It's not like I am running strong gear too!" So... isn't running ADV gear while complaining about proto and officer hypocritical? ADV gear is strong and can easily smack around MLT and STD. Also, if another dropsuit that is tiered above Proto comes out and people spam it in pubs. How much you want to bet proto won't be bad anymore but that new tier will be? Either way, new players get screwed by everything no matter what tier it is because many do not know how to play and get tossed into the same games as everyone else. Side note: Proto is called proto because it is a prototype (obviously). Aka, it is a test suit, an experiment so... what would the final version be? Imagine the slaughter in pubs... holy ***. Im gonna assume you haven't actually encountered a protostomper. My minnie assault advanced has less EHP than my Amarr Frontline, My Minnie Assault Prototype has 2 times armour than my Amarr Frontline has full EHP. The only difference: My Proto runs proto plates, and Proto Extenders Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 68	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: So... I have noticed this for a long time and are wondering what everyone thinks about this. MLT and STD die and hate on everyone who has better gear than them. "You only won because of your better gear" ADV cries at Proto and screams "protosomping!" Proto nags at people who use officer weapons. "Wow really? Officer in a pub?" One thing I am curious about is why no one hates on people who run ADV? ADV is still very strong and can easily destroy people in MLT and STD. The way I see it, people ALWAYS complain about something they get beaten by because no one really admits defeat. They all just say it's crap and they should have won. (They should always win because they are obviously superior than anyone else in the world lol) ADV players complain a lot about Protos yet they are running the 2nd most powerful tiered suits and 3rd most powerful tiered weapons... It is like someone complaining about a guy using an officer weapon yet they are running proto. "How dare he run an officer weapon in a pub! It's not like I am running strong gear too!" So... isn't running ADV gear while complaining about proto and officer hypocritical? ADV gear is strong and can easily smack around MLT and STD. Also, if another dropsuit that is tiered above Proto comes out and people spam it in pubs. How much you want to bet proto won't be bad anymore but that new tier will be? Either way, new players get screwed by everything no matter what tier it is because many do not know how to play and get tossed into the same games as everyone else. Side note: Proto is called proto because it is a prototype (obviously). Aka, it is a test suit, an experiment so... what would the final version be? Imagine the slaughter in pubs... holy ****. Im gonna assume you haven't actually encountered a protostomper. My minnie assault advanced has less EHP than my Amarr Frontline, My Minnie Assault Prototype has 2 times armour than my Amarr Frontline has full EHP. The only difference: My Proto runs proto plates, and Proto Extenders It depends what you put on it. Some people have ADV with over 700 HP while some Protos have 400 HP. I can do that with my Cal As. :) Protosomping is everywhere, impossible to avoid, I came during Uprising so I know very well what it's like having a Frontline Vs squads of Proto lol. Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 415	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:36:00 - [21] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: If the amount of different types of gear in EVE is any indication, then there is a lot of room in Dust to grow with dropsuits, weapons, modules and vehicles. The items in EVE range from basic, faction, tech 2, tech 3, pirate, storyline, deadspace and officer items. Who knows if dust will ever get another higher tier of items, but EVE lore would definitely allow it. i love youre signature Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6300	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:59:00 - [22] - Quote Unlike prototype gear, it is very easy to get into advanced gear and even new players can have decent advanced fits after a couple weeks. And unlike prototype gear, you don't need to be farming ISK from locked districts in PC to fund advanced gear in public contracts. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 70	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:05:00 - [23] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Unlike prototype gear, it is very easy to get into advanced gear and even new players can have decent advanced fits after a couple weeks. And unlike prototype gear, you don't need to be farming ISK from locked districts in PC to fund advanced gear in public contracts. Proto has been in pubs before district locking though. Plus many players had the isk waaaayyy before district locking. Most proto users were fine running proto in pubs before district locking and most don't get paid by their corp either. Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
Beld Errmon WarRavens 1294	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:15:00 - [24] - Quote I don't know why ppl get so upset about what suit the other guy is using, when the protosuited guy kills you you get the excuse "oh he had better gear than me" when you kill him you get the extra buzz of knowing you just cost him a fair amount of isk, remember everyone is equal in the blast radius of remote explosives.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2977	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:17:00 - [25] - Quote I run ADV fits mainly and you won't hear a peep out of me. Thanks to New Eden, aka the School of Hard Knocks, my resolve has greatly toughened. You best me, I'm on a hunt for some payback. Now cue in James Brown please Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6302	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:17:00 - [26] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Unlike prototype gear, it is very easy to get into advanced gear and even new players can have decent advanced fits after a couple weeks. And unlike prototype gear, you don't need to be farming ISK from locked districts in PC to fund advanced gear in public contracts. Proto has been in pubs before district locking though. Plus many players had the isk waaaayyy before district locking. Most proto users were fine running proto in pubs before district locking and most don't get paid by their corp either. What I'm trying to say is you need to be making a profit elsewhere if you are going to run proto full time in public contracts. Right now that profit for most protostompers is coming from district locking. In the past it came elsewhere, like from successful PC campaigns or running a bunch of matches in free gear so you can run a few in proto. My point is that it is not unreasonable to run advanced gear in publics full time so you won't hear many people complaining about people running advanced in pubs. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 71	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:25:00 - [27] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Unlike prototype gear, it is very easy to get into advanced gear and even new players can have decent advanced fits after a couple weeks. And unlike prototype gear, you don't need to be farming ISK from locked districts in PC to fund advanced gear in public contracts. Proto has been in pubs before district locking though. Plus many players had the isk waaaayyy before district locking. Most proto users were fine running proto in pubs before district locking and most don't get paid by their corp either. What I'm trying to say is you need to be making a profit elsewhere if you are going to run proto full time in public contracts. Right now that profit for most protostompers is coming from district locking. In the past it came elsewhere, like from successful PC campaigns or running a bunch of matches in free gear so you can run a few in proto. My point is that it is not unreasonable to run advanced gear in publics full time so you won't hear many people complaining about people running advanced in pubs. I run proto practically 24/7 and don't have a problem financially. Yeah! Patriotism! Many people do the same thing. Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, application to FWA REJECTED! :P
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 59	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:35:00 - [28] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Yet no one complains about proto scouts out in the field... LOL because they never see them untill "******* scout" xxxxxxxxxxx (shotgun) turtlehermitroshi yes i scream KA-ME-HA-MEHAAAAAA when i forge muthafuckas the Turtle Hermit: Professional Heavy
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 836	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:36:00 - [29] - Quote I must be honest and say that I do not believe you run a 100-130k proto suit 24/7 and are suggesting that you run positive isk-wise from the matches you play. Are you certain you have really had less than 1million isk for more than 4 months, running full time proto...and making a profit? And you're suggesting that many players do this. There must be a great deal more to this game that I am missing because that is really hardto believe.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2141	Posted - 2014.02.02 00:39:00 - [30] - Quote I run prototype suits with adv weapons. My opinion on the matter is that prototype weapons are too expensive to be running in normal pub matches for the marginal increase in damage they bring. If you're using prototype weapons, you're most likely some PC player who makes a ton of isk and can afford to run prototype all day every day. The extra isk cost, cpu/pg is not worth it. I can do just as good if not better with a std or advanced weapon. Like, the other day I saw someone go 36/10 with a militia shotgun on a std suit. I respect good players like that. I do'nt respect people who win becauuse they have so much isk...not because they actually have skill. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!



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