DUST Search - Honestly, the sniper is in a good place right now

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

As long as you don't redline snipe that is Lol

From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy.

I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad.
I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at.
Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people.
Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges.

A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down?
Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more.

It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30)

How many snipers operate in pc consistently as snipers? How many kick ass proto squads run or want a sniper? How many times have you ever said wooo we won because of our sniper, or we lost because of theirs. Enough said, snipers are useless, I always kick them from my squads. I mean even Kaizuka sniper from Nyain San never snipes, lmao.

No idea about PC, I've never played it. Never had the chance to.

Just because we don't get celebrated, or even noticed for what we do, doesn't mean we're useless. I can be a one woman point defense for example, given a good vantage spot. And I'm not all that bothered about personal WP so I'm not going to be spamming uplinks and nanohives or qqing about how few kills I got compared to everyone else. If I can deny 100 points for a counterhack to an enemy, that's more impritant to me than getting 100 points for counterhacking. 25 for an assist is just as good as 50 or 60 for a kill imo.

So what that the team seem to think I didn't do much. I know differently, I find I can affect the outcome morein the hills with a SR than I can at the front with a RR.

Then you suck.

When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6097	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:34:00 - [1] - Quote As long as you don't redline snipe that is From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy. I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad. I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at. Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people. Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges. A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down? Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more. It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30) Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 214	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:36:00 - [2] - Quote I don't know but the hit detection is sometimes really really bad. You could see there shield flashing but you would do absolutely no damage to them. Other than that there is no problem with the sniper imho. Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5
Asterion Cretos DUST University Ivy League 80	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:37:00 - [3] - Quote But how many snipers DON'T redline snipe?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6097	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:37:00 - [4] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: I don't know but the hit detection is sometimes really really bad. You could see there shield flashing but you would do absolutely no damage to them. Other than that there is no problem with the sniper imho. Well, it really only happened to me once, and it was a scout strafing around at very high speeds. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6097	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:38:00 - [5] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: But how many snipers DON'T redline snipe? I believe that's the problem I'm sure that the real snipers aren't the one's complaining on the forums, they're the one's doing their job and collecting ISK Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 214	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:47:00 - [6] - Quote I don't know but most good spots are outside of the redline on Spine Crescent, Iron Delta and on Impact Ridge. Those are the only maps where i do find helpless snipers outside of the redline. Fear The Tribes // Standings Minmatar 5 // Gallente 5 // Pilot
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 46	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:49:00 - [7] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: But how many snipers DON'T redline snipe? I don't. Also, I never had any problems with sniping. My trusty Charge Up does just fine. Even know, Nowadays, Its got a bit of dust on it. You're saying its a bad idea? Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6098	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:54:00 - [8] - Quote Storm Shelton wrote: Asterion Cretos wrote: But how many snipers DON'T redline snipe? I don't. Also, I never had any problems with sniping. My trusty Charge Up does just fine. Even know, Nowadays, Its got a bit of dust on it. hehehe Charge Sniper is great, the sheer alpha either kills the person, or makes him scram for cover. Both are a win :D Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6098	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:56:00 - [9] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: I don't really know why people redline snipe. Most good spots are outside of the redline on Spine Crescent, Iron Delta and on Impact Ridge. Those are the only maps where i do find helpless snipers outside of the redline. That's what most people think when they see me, "helpless". Then I pull out my scrambler pistol and show them why it's called that Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 214	Posted - 2014.02.01 10:59:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Delta90212 wrote: I don't really know why people redline snipe. Most good spots are outside of the redline on Spine Crescent, Iron Delta and on Impact Ridge. Those are the only maps where i do find helpless snipers outside of the redline. That's what most people think when they see me, "helpless". Then I pull out my scrambler pistol and show them why it's called that I don't think a pistol is going to help you with killing my a scanner assault dropship Fear The Tribes / Standings Minmatar 5 / Gallente 5 / Pilot

Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 48	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:00:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: hehehe Charge Sniper is great, the sheer alpha either kills the person, or makes him scram for cover. Both are a win :D Yeah, Sniping was all I used to do. 10,000 kills straight. Sniping pathway is completely maxed. Although, I've moved on to different things like Logi & Scout, I'll always be a great sniper. Never understood why people complain about sniping anyways. I haven't sniped in so long, My Charge Up has cob webs on it. BUT, Under squad-lead order, I will snipe and like I always say for sniping infantry: If its red, Its dead. You're saying its a bad idea? Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6107	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:01:00 - [12] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Delta90212 wrote: I don't really know why people redline snipe. Most good spots are outside of the redline on Spine Crescent, Iron Delta and on Impact Ridge. Those are the only maps where i do find helpless snipers outside of the redline. That's what most people think when they see me, "helpless". Then I pull out my scrambler pistol and show them why it's called that I don't think a pistol is going to help you with killing my a scanner assault dropship Oh look at that, I have a profile dampener on Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Teilka Darkmist 181	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:07:00 - [13] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: But how many snipers DON'T redline snipe? I don't and sometimes I actively hunt redline snipers, if the map doesn't give me much opportunity to assist the team elsewhere. I agree that there's not much wrong with snipers, although hit detection can be a bit screwy sometimes. I shouldn't be anle to aim at a stationary target with a fully charged shot on my Charge SR and have no damage happen at all. I would also like a zoom on the scopes so I can improve my headshot rate at long range (one side of the battlefield to the other, across, not redline to redline) and the graphics glith that has players seeming to appear through walls and disappear again can be really annoying. That said, as long as I keep having fun as a sniper, I'll keep watching you all through my scope. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 235	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:09:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: As long as you don't redline snipe that is From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy. I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad. I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at. Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people. Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges. A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down? Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more. It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30) How many snipers operate in pc consistently as snipers? How many kick ass proto squads run or want a sniper? How many times have you ever said wooo we won because of our sniper, or we lost because of theirs. Enough said, snipers are useless, I always kick them from my squads.
Teilka Darkmist 181	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:10:00 - [15] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: I don't really know why people redline snipe. Most good spots are outside of the redline on Spine Crescent, Iron Delta and on Impact Ridge. Those are the only maps where i do find helpless snipers outside of the redline. I can find good sniping spots on most maps. And that's without using a dropship. And yeah, I can be helpless at close range, but if I let you get that close, I deserve to die. Or I've run out of ammo and nanohives. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Oswald Rehnquist 1200	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:13:00 - [16] - Quote I actually disagree with the assessment, and this is coming from a guy who is not on the red line, hacking/uplinks as him main and sniping on the go when the opportunity rises. If you are sniping at all, your killing potential goes down the drain, you could be doing more with a different niche weapon. A second ScP is more useful and deadly than a sniper, today I went 20/4 with a single militia ScP. Also scale does not exist with the sniper at all, proto full damage mod to be relevant or bpo picking off easy prey is pretty much the agreed upon wisdom. Snipers are severely underpowered, I know they are frontliners lighting rod, and for you they are caldari tech but underpowered they are. Below 28 dB
Teilka Darkmist 181	Posted - 2014.02.01 11:20:00 - [17] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: As long as you don't redline snipe that is From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy. I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad. I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at. Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people. Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges. A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down? Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more. It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30) How many snipers operate in pc consistently as snipers? How many kick ass proto squads run or want a sniper? How many times have you ever said wooo we won because of our sniper, or we lost because of theirs. Enough said, snipers are useless, I always kick them from my squads. I mean even Kaizuka sniper from Nyain San never snipes, lmao. No idea about PC, I've never played it. Never had the chance to. Just because we don't get celebrated, or even noticed for what we do, doesn't mean we're useless. I can be a one woman point defense for example, given a good vantage spot. And I'm not all that bothered about personal WP so I'm not going to be spamming uplinks and nanohives or qqing about how few kills I got compared to everyone else. If I can deny 100 points for a counterhack to an enemy, that's more impritant to me than getting 100 points for counterhacking. 25 for an assist is just as good as 50 or 60 for a kill imo. So what that the team seem to think I didn't do much. I know differently, I find I can affect the outcome morein the hills with a SR than I can at the front with a RR. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 235	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:05:00 - [18] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: As long as you don't redline snipe that is From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy. I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad. I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at. Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people. Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges. A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down? Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more. It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30) How many snipers operate in pc consistently as snipers? How many kick ass proto squads run or want a sniper? How many times have you ever said wooo we won because of our sniper, or we lost because of theirs. Enough said, snipers are useless, I always kick them from my squads. I mean even Kaizuka sniper from Nyain San never snipes, lmao. No idea about PC, I've never played it. Never had the chance to. Just because we don't get celebrated, or even noticed for what we do, doesn't mean we're useless. I can be a one woman point defense for example, given a good vantage spot. And I'm not all that bothered about personal WP so I'm not going to be spamming uplinks and nanohives or qqing about how few kills I got compared to everyone else. If I can deny 100 points for a counterhack to an enemy, that's more impritant to me than getting 100 points for counterhacking. 25 for an assist is just as good as 50 or 60 for a kill imo. So what that the team seem to think I didn't do much. I know differently, I find I can affect the outcome morein the hills with a SR than I can at the front with a RR. Then you suck.
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 148	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:28:00 - [19] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: As long as you don't redline snipe that is From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy. I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad. I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at. Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people. Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges. A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down? Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more. It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30) How many snipers operate in pc consistently as snipers? How many kick ass proto squads run or want a sniper? How many times have you ever said wooo we won because of our sniper, or we lost because of theirs. Enough said, snipers are useless, I always kick them from my squads. I mean even Kaizuka sniper from Nyain San never snipes, lmao. Completely ignoring a different kind of tactic is just ignorant and will get you killed on the battlefield. Also who gives a **** what Nyain San or their corp members do? I thought the whole point of making the suit how you want was to play to your playstyle and not by others? Another thing honestly PC is really just for tryhards to stroke their ego, if you're not playing for fun or the way you like to then you're doing it wrong. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
Teilka Darkmist 183	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:41:00 - [20] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: As long as you don't redline snipe that is From the redline sniping requires some extremely high alpha and hit detection is screwy. I had three matches where I acted as sniper support for my squad. I was using the Proto Tac sniper because IMHO it's best suited for the ranges I was operating at. Once I had good positioning, I was just mowing down people. Hit detection wasn't an issue at all at those ranges. A proto dude with a Rail Rifle is pinning my squad down? Set up a headshot, double tap, and the guy is no more. It was really fun, I don't think the sniper needs any special treatment, maybe a bit extra damage (a very slight amount, an extra 15-30) How many snipers operate in pc consistently as snipers? How many kick ass proto squads run or want a sniper? How many times have you ever said wooo we won because of our sniper, or we lost because of theirs. Enough said, snipers are useless, I always kick them from my squads. I mean even Kaizuka sniper from Nyain San never snipes, lmao. No idea about PC, I've never played it. Never had the chance to. Just because we don't get celebrated, or even noticed for what we do, doesn't mean we're useless. I can be a one woman point defense for example, given a good vantage spot. And I'm not all that bothered about personal WP so I'm not going to be spamming uplinks and nanohives or qqing about how few kills I got compared to everyone else. If I can deny 100 points for a counterhack to an enemy, that's more impritant to me than getting 100 points for counterhacking. 25 for an assist is just as good as 50 or 60 for a kill imo. So what that the team seem to think I didn't do much. I know differently, I find I can affect the outcome morein the hills with a SR than I can at the front with a RR. Then you suck. No, I 'm a sniper. Plus I didn't say I don't affect the outcome playing a closer game, just that I affect it more as a sniper. In other words, I affect the battle more doing something I'm good at than something I'm not as good at. If you're specced into RR or ScR or whatever else, and you're good at it, obviously you'll be more effective doing that. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.

HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 535	Posted - 2014.02.01 12:48:00 - [21] - Quote Sniping is hard, redline or other wise. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1210	Posted - 2014.02.01 13:09:00 - [22] - Quote Wouldn't mind if SR headshots did more damage. These aren't exactly EZ to land. Nothing should be able to tank a Charge SR headshot. Also wouldn't mind if folks couldn't shoot into or out of the Redline.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.02.01 13:21:00 - [23] - Quote Sniper is broken because its only really viable at Proto level. Otherwise you might as well feel like your punching everyone in the shoulder in the match or kill stealing, not adding much. The biggest reason snipers are broken is it requires a dropship for you to even be any good at sniping... Because map design is so poor for making competitive FPS maps.... Personally i would be willing to get rid of the whole "DUCK" mechanic where it decreases sway on the rifle. Its a cool concept but it has made the gameplay a snooze fest or a last resort from the redline.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.02.01 13:26:00 - [24] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Wouldn't mind if SR headshots did more damage. These aren't exactly EZ to land. Nothing should be able to tank a Charge SR headshot. Also wouldn't mind if folks couldn't shoot into or out of the Redline. * Unless, of course, that'd somehow create more opportunity for cowardice. The hit registry in DUST is so terrible unless they are standing mostly still hitting a head accurately is like trying to play Darts under water. You'll end up shooting his head but the server registers you shooting them in the ass...Then you shoot them in the ass while they are sprinting and get a headshot... Go Figure... not like there is any damage variation from shooting them in the heart or the ass because... yet again hit rregistry is terrible... we don't even have damage values on different hit zones on targets.... Or even accuracy ratings as a Mercenary. Shoot you in the foot? same as shooting you center mass...
Cpl Foster USMC Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 574	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:09:00 - [25] - Quote I Snipe.....a lot.....here's what I would like: a special suit we could call our own. 6H, 3L, LT Weapon, Sidearm, 2 equipment slots, no grenade slot at the Proto level all racial sniper rifles so I can go all Minmatar 15-35 more HP on the proto rifles only adjustable freaking zoom scopes and one day when I log on, I would like to see my clone chilln' on the couch watching his big screen when it's not on the New Eden Shopping Network channel..... my Alt is "Shinobi Shann"...starting Feb 10th...or whenever CCP gives up the Scout Suits...
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 765	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:20:00 - [26] - Quote Charge with 3 proficiency and 2 complex damage mods doesn't OHK protos. Needs more alpha.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2352	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:21:00 - [27] - Quote A good place That place is 300m behind the redline doing **** all in the match Intelligence is OP
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 765	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:23:00 - [28] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Wouldn't mind if SR headshots did more damage. These aren't exactly EZ to land. Nothing should be able to tank a Charge SR headshot. Also wouldn't mind if folks couldn't shoot into or out of the Redline. * Unless, of course, that'd somehow create more opportunity for cowardice. I'm all for 250% efficiency for headshots.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8764	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:26:00 - [29] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: I agree that there's not much wrong with snipers, although hit detection can be a bit screwy sometimes. I shouldn't be anle to aim at a stationary target with a fully charged shot on my Charge SR and have no damage happen at all. Having blue shield flashes and no damage is really terrible. It's disappointing that the issue has persisted for over a year. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist Orion Empire 26	Posted - 2014.02.01 15:31:00 - [30] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: But how many snipers DON'T redline snipe? As a sniper i don't think you can tell because you can't see where the enemies redline is -Open Beta Vet-12.4 mil sp- Dust 514 recruitment link here



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