there is way to many holes in this. i think the solution would just be all public matches just have no team red line as well no mcc visible just have a drop pod type CRU with 50 clones. give each team three that would drop in on an area and give it a shield bubble till it runs out of clones that way if your team keeps getting proto stompted there would be no redline camp or redline snipers just a safe shielded area with exit only properties.

The no redline is just scary. I can't imagine running in a match where's the no redline, but I just so happen to be on a team where 10 out of a total of 16 can't defend and push us back to our MCC, where we have no safe place to drop out of the MCC. Gives me the shivers.

The wolves will be trying everything to get to the little pigs. I think the no redline idea will unravel the game and essentially force newer players out of it. It's not fair to do.

Smaller redlines.
No redline WP, no passive SP in redline.
If not all points are red and you're in the redline longer then 2 minutes warn and 1 minute later kick. Sounds fair?

This means that if you want to be in the redline to AFK you'll get kicked for not leaving. If you want to be "useless" and redline snipe go ahead, you will get no reward.

I highly doubt fielding corp bought/owned mccs would apply to anything other than pc. And what if it was your very first battle out of the academy? You want to charge a rookie a million bucks when they probably have under a million?

there is way to many holes in this. i think the solution would just be all public matches just have no team red line as well no mcc visible just have a drop pod type CRU with 50 clones. give each team three that would drop in on an area and give it a shield bubble till it runs out of clones that way if your team keeps getting proto stompted there would be no redline camp or redline snipers just a safe shielded area with exit only properties.

Players can loose more ISK in a battle if they use there proto gear and die 2-3 times in them.
I had battles where I have lost millions of ISK when i got killed to many times in a proto suit.

Paying for the MCC would NOT stop me from MCC camping.
Yes I do it to and the ONLY thing that can make me stop is if CCP fix the game so that I want to play,
so it's fun to play.
Fix the mistakes they made with dmg mods being high slots,
Fix the mistake they made with speed and hacking mods being low slots,
Fix the AV vs. Vehicles problem they made. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Its an issue between us vets who think "meh, pubs" and newer players who haven't gotten there yet.

My corp mates are grinding isk for pc and with the corp tax rate set high we barely see the point, I'm lowering it when we hit 500 mil. During pubs if you see swamps afking, we are usually chatting and joking about, smoking weed or on our tablets, PC's or banging the missus.

Pubs are meh and its up to ccp to give us alternative ways to make isk, not punish players. That's just backwards.

Spoken like a true forum warrior +1

Spoken like a true forum warrior +1

+1 for this... but i don't think you'd have to reduce redline size with the redline penalties...

Punishing people who are forced to do pubs because theres no other isk alternatives?

Game modes

Player market

Thread ends.

So another Sp multiplier week and another MCC of AFKers.
I was thinking on a way to not only stop AFK, but to also ensure that everyone in the battle works their tails off.

The key to the solution is at the 1:23 mark of the 2011 E3 Dust trailer where it shows the cost of the MCC at 120,000,000isk.
What if the the losing mercs were billed a portion of the cost of their MCC?
Say 1% of the cost, so 1,200,000isk was the bill footed by the losing team as a "you break it, you buy it" kind of punishment.

The bill would be calculated in relation to your performance in battle based on the leader board ranking at the end of the game, like so

1st - 1% (12,000isk)
2 & 3 - 2% each (24,000isk)
4, 5 & 6 - 4% each (60,000isk)
7, 8 & 9 - 7% each (84,000isk)
10-15 - 10% each (120,000isk)
16 - 12% (144,000isk)

There would be score multipliers to help of even out the noobies, vets, squads and lone wolf players:

No squad - 1.5x to WP total
2-3 man squad - 1.2x to WP total
10m+ SP - no multiplier
5-10m SP - 1.3x to WP total
0.5-5m SP - 2.0x WP total

One mechanic that would probably need to be added would be the inability to leave a match, or if someone did, their score would stay and they would incur their share of the bill once the match ended - even if they were in another battle.

Not only would this stop AFKing due to the probability of losing 120-144,000isk, but it would make players work a bit harder to win. Might also change the team chat that never gets used (for better or worse).

Maybe this solution is feasible, maybe not. Thoughts? Oversights?

A possible addition to this could be the 1,200,000 as a bonus to the winning team based on performance with the 10% payout reversed to what is listed above.

This bill/reward would be in addition the normal ISK contract payout for battles.

I think you'd need to increase payouts for the bottom guys to offset this in the first place, which would defeat the purpose.

Whoever came last would actually go ISK negative, even were he using only blueprinted gear.

You'd just see more people move to ambush.

I don't know. Interesting idea but the fact that the losers got to pay something is a little daunting when you consider those in match who fought their hardest to win, excluding the AFKers. We already have FW that doesn't pay ISK and now you go to pub matches and you have the possibility to lose actual ISK.

The AFK situation is a tough one to crack. Maybe just another game mode for lower SP players would help ease the AFK. But that's assuming that lower SP players are the main ones AFKing and that I don't know.