The hipfire criticism is unwaranted, ccp own post about the rr sold it on how good the hipfire is, thats what they said about the weapon, it has great hipfire, thats the sweet spot of the gun. People want it nerfed because they are dying too it.

If both players run around the corner and hit an unexpected enemy at the same time, even if both player react perfectly, the Rail Rifle's first shot will fire a quarter-second later than the opponent.

It's not about "getting the drop" on the RR user, simply MATCHING them in alertness. if you're in an EQUAL situation against the RR user, the design of the weapon automatically gives an advantage to an opponent using another weapon. It's a small advantage, but it's enough to tip the balance in what should otherwise be an even match-up.

I think it would be fair enough to give the Rail Rifle a significant reduction in hipfire accuracy - on the condition that it gets a slight INCREASE to aimed accuracy along with it. This would make it a much more long-range focused weapon, as it should be.

Fair enough, but I think it should keep it's accuracy in exchange for laser rifle like mechanics. From my own experience .25 seconds rarely decides the fight against my favor.

My problem isn't Hipfire. Keep it. My problem isn't spool time. For all i care, make it .0001.

My problem is the fact it does 3 DPS less than a same tier Gallente AR.
In EVE, hell ALL sci-fi games, the longer range weapons have higher alpha, and less DPS.

In Mechwarrior 4 you couldn't just stack AC5's and instaWTFpwn Assaults(super heavies) from range AND CQC.
In MW4 you couldn't stack large lasers and have more sustained DPS than a similar tonnage salvo of small lasers.

In Halo, you get a high DPS AR, higher alpha Battle rifle, and then the DMR.

In Star Wars: Battlefront 2(god that game had some problems) you didn't have snipers running into CQC because their sniper had the same DPS as an AR or shotty. Chainguns didn't snipe across the map too well either.

Would you like me to CONTINUE pointing out Sci Fi shooters that follow this logic?

Just a thought: SP goes into skill progression which lowers recoil, increase damage and such.

and I'm still here using my severely UP assault rifle.

I love how the Scrambler and AR is OP threads ceased to exist.

You all got something 6 x as worse.

Because you said something about it having zero hip fire recoil

*facepalm* Man, are you kidding me? LOL!!!!

Sir, the RR is made to have range. It is rail technology. This was long discussed before it was released.

A CR user will drop a RR user in CQC, if the CR user isn't some newb

So basically you're still saying since you die alot by the RR in CQC, this should not be? Will that isn't the rifles fault...it is yours.

I would understand your concerns if only a certain group of players was allowed to use the RR. But since we all can use it without any restrictions why the QQ? IMHO the RR is the final answer to AR 514...

Once again: Why nerf smthg that is free for everybody to use as they will and like? If u get shot a lot by RR, grab one yourself and shoot back. Or are you too much of a nobleman to use it?

And yeah I use the RR too, but only the basic variant, cuz it serves my purposes well enough at a very low price and PG/CPU consumption.

But why not nerf the RR? There's gonna be another weapon after the RR ppl will be asking to be nerfed.

But you weren't saying that until you read this...

Yeah but ist stupid to have a weapon that has range and cqc capabillities like the weapons that are supposed to excel in cqc.
Or would you like to have a sniper rifle with a ROF 600 and tight hipfire?

I just don't see the RR as "too good" at CQ ranges. It doesn't suck at CQC, but since when does that have to be a requirement. I would much rather have an AR or CR for CQ.

That being said, An increase in spool time to 0.5 s is not unreasonable in general and likely would cause a noticeable increase in losses in those close range 50/50 encounters, and also produce a noticeable effect at mid-ranged combat. Changing more than one stat on the RR (or anything) at the same time is asking for trouble. (Though, I note that the OP was not calling for large changes)


At the same time I would like to see the upper range and/or falloff penalty of the CR looked at. I've had my RR out-ranged by CR's (albeit proto) a little too often at distances that seem suspect. For as much as I rage (in private) after getting violently ripped down by a CR at close range I have a hard time asking for a nerf.

I give a lot more consideration to my environment now with the RR and CR as part of the game. Before, I could fit an all-purpose AR (perhaps, still) and go about my merry way while being on the lookout for the effective ScR users. Now, I'm changing fits more when I enter a built-up area and tailoring my play to the weapon that's in my hand when I can't get to a resupply.

RR and CR feel very close to what they should be; let's be cautious in calling for nerfs; some portion of the DUST dev team seems to be have something against a process based on incremental change and observation.

right now the rail rifle seems to be in a league of its own..
in a place it really shouldnt be for the sake of game balance..


id really only say the problem with the rr is the high dmg perhit and the relatively fast rof can just annihilate most suits including heavies. combined with the rather long range it has. we could give it an overheat function to force the player to fire it in bursts.