DUST Search - My Ideas for the Rail Rifle

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Vermaak Doe wrote:

First off, prior to the other rifled being released the Ar was the most used rifle, maybe even weapon. While people do try to get weapons thst they don't use nerfed, have youever considered that legitimate points were made in some of the posts? The Scr doesn'tneed a Nerf because unlike therail and combat it has something called a downside. That's a load of bull to claim that the Scr outperforms the rail outside situations where the scr user gets time to charge before being shot. I use the rail rifle, every other rifle kicks identically, how does a charge that short make a difference? Of course a weapon doing the same dps will win if they get the drop on the rr user. Your "nonexistent overheating" comment gave away that you either haven't used the weapon or you're lying.

Yes I have. I read every OP sometimes once or twice over, especially a topic concerning a nerfing of the RR. I consider it. Look at the information and judge objectively. If I don't have a counter argument and I see what they see, then I agree with their statement.

The problem is, everytime I see a "nerf the RR" post, its never objective. Its starts off very subjective. Usually it begins with "The RR isn't supposed to be good in CQC"

Now when I read that, my left eyebrow raises in curiosity. So it's not because of its strength overall. It's not showing signs of being greater than any other weapons. The nerfs are wanted so it can drastically change its performance in CQC.

Now that I come to that platform of thought, I begin to wonder, well what if the user is just good with the RR? To maximize your lethality on the field, you explore your weaknesses and that of your weapon so you know how to perform at the most optimal.

When I get into CQC, often times, I can "see" the opposing merc smiling because he figures that because I have a RR, I don't know how to shoot it. With strafing, tracking, targeting the cranium/chest region...the RR is vicious in the right hands while in CQC. It turns into a jitter fight since now the enemy is realizing that I'm actually hitting him well with the RR. If I maintain my discipline, he falls. Plus, because of it being rail, you never actually shoot directly unless his mass fills up all the reticule. You lead your target by strafing to you the way you want to so when you fire a shot, he strafes right into its line of fire.

Yet there are times when I've gone up against a CR thinking I'm going to win the 1v1 because I just downed some guy. I'm in considerable distance (or least I believe so) from the CR. Distance I believe to be suitable enough to give me some breathing room and lighten the damage. Yet, his finger popping skill and his strafing drops me faster than I expected. Lesson learned. No nerf required.

And about the overheating, I have used the SCR. You don't just lay on the trigger. A viziam and the ASCR can drop opponents quickly without gaining much heat. If you fire correctly, pauses between bursts, you won't overheat. Maybe for your standards and people who just lay on the trigger run into that problem but most don't. Most SCR users rarely overheat because they know their weapon.

And sir, you are spewing a load of bull if you don't think that the SCR truthfully trumps all weapons in combat. The SCR is a beast and I don't even use it. Doesn't even need a nerf (but it can be argued). The SCR trumps in the right hands.

The main problem with the RR (well basicly with all Rifles) is they ALL have comparable DPS ratings, so range is what makes them different and the RR has the longest range coupled with great hipfire accuracy. So while it is equally effective like the CQC weapons it provides way bigger Range thats simply imbalanced. The spool up time is not really a drawback and I don't even noticed the spool up the first few days I used the gun.


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Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2890	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:09:00 - [1] - Quote I have grown weary of this discussion. You have mentioned what many folks have echoed. All those nerfs wanted based on the sole fact that people believe it is supposed to be bad in the CQC. Which means, folks are expecting to win their battles against the RR in CQC. But since they aren't, they demand a nerf. What is absolutely appalling is that no one has accounted for the player skill in the matter. Perhaps we have learned our rifle well? The punchline? The CR has dropped me from distances that is highly questionable but no one is talking about that because the majority of forum users love the CR. It's the same thing with the SCR, a highly dangerous weapon that no one talked about because everybody used it. But oh no, nerf those AR users. It's hard to take these nerf threads serious when they stem from biased opinions and bad experiences. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2892	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:37:00 - [2] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I have grown weary of this discussion. You have mentioned what many folks have echoed. All those nerfs wanted based on the sole fact that people believe it is supposed to be bad in the CQC. Which means, folks are expecting to win their battles against the RR in CQC. But since they aren't, they demand a nerf. What is absolutely appalling is that no one has accounted for the player skill in the matter. Perhaps we have learned our rifle well? The punchline? The CR has dropped me from distances that is highly questionable but no one is talking about that because the majority of forum users love the CR. It's the same thing with the SCR, a highly dangerous weapon that no one talked about because everybody used it. But oh no, nerf those AR users. It's hard to take these nerf threads serious when they stem from biased opinions and bad experiences. Where's your proof that most people on the forum use Crs and ScRs? Or did you just pull thatout of thin air? Unlike the Rail rifle, the scrambler actually has a drawback, where's the downside to a rail rifle? I stopped using my duvolles by the time I had advanced rail rifles because of how much of a overall improvement it is. Oh c'mon man with the diversionary tactic here. It is highly known that people here cry nerf for weapons they don't use hardly. The proof can be found in that no one is talking about the CR. Not one mercenary. Yet we have lemmings all talking about the RR because they either die too much about it or it's the thing to do nowadays. In other words, bandwagon hoppers. Before the RR was introduced, so many people went on and on about the AR. It was also well known that the majority of the forums used the SCR because it was such a lethal weapon. When the SCR was mentioned as being a problem, you couldn't find two souls in a SCR needs nerf thread. The weapon was respected and mercs were told to be cautious of it. Fast forward to now and the RR is a step behind the SCR. But now, people are talking about the RR needs a nerf? Are you kidding me? The SCR can drop a person in about three shots if used correctly but the RR needs nerfing because folks have found a way to maximize their weapon? Downsides? The kickback makes it for harder tracking on moving targets. The charge up time can leave you vulnerable to faster firing weapons. A Duvolle can drop a RR user if he's not prepared for an oncoming target. By the time his RR starts talking, the Duvolle will drop a RR user. And get outta here with the SCR has a drawback. What is that drawback? Don't tell me its the non existent over heating problem. SCR users know how to finger pop their SCR...that's cool. RR users know how to optimize their weapon...it needs a nerf. Doesn't make any sense. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2895	Posted - 2014.01.29 07:12:00 - [3] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: First off, prior to the other rifled being released the Ar was the most used rifle, maybe even weapon. While people do try to get weapons thst they don't use nerfed, have youever considered that legitimate points were made in some of the posts? The Scr doesn'tneed a Nerf because unlike therail and combat it has something called a downside. That's a load of bull to claim that the Scr outperforms the rail outside situations where the scr user gets time to charge before being shot. I use the rail rifle, every other rifle kicks identically, how does a charge that short make a difference? Of course a weapon doing the same dps will win if they get the drop on the rr user. Your "nonexistent overheating" comment gave away that you either haven't used the weapon or you're lying. Yes I have. I read every OP sometimes once or twice over, especially a topic concerning a nerfing of the RR. I consider it. Look at the information and judge objectively. If I don't have a counter argument and I see what they see, then I agree with their statement. The problem is, everytime I see a "nerf the RR" post, its never objective. Its starts off very subjective. Usually it begins with "The RR isn't supposed to be good in CQC" Now when I read that, my left eyebrow raises in curiosity. So it's not because of its strength overall. It's not showing signs of being greater than any other weapons. The nerfs are wanted so it can drastically change its performance in CQC. Now that I come to that platform of thought, I begin to wonder, well what if the user is just good with the RR? To maximize your lethality on the field, you explore your weaknesses and that of your weapon so you know how to perform at the most optimal. When I get into CQC, often times, I can "see" the opposing merc smiling because he figures that because I have a RR, I don't know how to shoot it. With strafing, tracking, targeting the cranium/chest region...the RR is vicious in the right hands while in CQC. It turns into a jitter fight since now the enemy is realizing that I'm actually hitting him well with the RR. If I maintain my discipline, he falls. Plus, because of it being rail, you never actually shoot directly unless his mass fills up all the reticule. You lead your target by strafing to you the way you want to so when you fire a shot, he strafes right into its line of fire. Yet there are times when I've gone up against a CR thinking I'm going to win the 1v1 because I just downed some guy. I'm in considerable distance (or least I believe so) from the CR. Distance I believe to be suitable enough to give me some breathing room and lighten the damage. Yet, his finger popping skill and his strafing drops me faster than I expected. Lesson learned. No nerf required. And about the overheating, I have used the SCR. You don't just lay on the trigger. A viziam and the ASCR can drop opponents quickly without gaining much heat. If you fire correctly, pauses between bursts, you won't overheat. Maybe for your standards and people who just lay on the trigger run into that problem but most don't. Most SCR users rarely overheat because they know their weapon. And sir, you are spewing a load of bull if you don't think that the SCR truthfully trumps all weapons in combat. The SCR is a beast and I don't even use it. Doesn't even need a nerf (but it can be argued). The SCR trumps in the right hands. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2900	Posted - 2014.01.29 07:42:00 - [4] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: You're ignoring that the only other rifle hat can reach that far has a penalty at short range, why should the rail rifle differ from that? Your weapon is meant to be,used at a range and should have drawbacks for the user just like shorter range weapons are penalized when shooting at a distance. I can't comment on the combat rifle much. I use advanced scramblers with proficiency 2, so of course a prototype,will kill quicker while generating less heat. It's so ironic how you claim I'm spewing bull yet you defend the rail rifle, obviously every weapon trumps in the right hands, but the rail rifle turns everyone's hands into the right hands. Did you digest my post properly? Cause I defended other weapons besides RR, the CR and SCR included. And yes, the weapon is good for range kills but what's that saying? **** happens? I kill most targets at a distance but hell, you gotta get to the objective somehow. You gotta hack it somehow. You gotta learn how to use your rifle when hacking objective is like shaking a bee hive. And then even after your claim I don't know what I'm talking about with the SCR, you come around and agree that the "downside" you speak of concerning the SCR is basically nonexistent. But no one is asking for the overheating to be a real problem for the SCR, but lets increase that spool up time for the RR because, ya know, I die by it often. LOL!!! Like I said, diversionary tactics at work. This is preposterous Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2901	Posted - 2014.01.29 07:58:00 - [5] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Does anybody agree with me? I rather talk to those people instead of those with opposing opinions. Fixed Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2905	Posted - 2014.01.29 08:35:00 - [6] - Quote Just a thought: SP goes into skill progression which lowers recoil, increase damage and such. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2906	Posted - 2014.01.29 08:41:00 - [7] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Just a thought: SP goes into skill progression which lowers recoil, increase damage and such. This is true of every weapon; I'm not sure why you're pointing it out now. Because you said something about it having zero hip fire recoil Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2906	Posted - 2014.01.29 08:43:00 - [8] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Added a quick bullet point to the OP about the RR's seemingly invisible bullets. facepalm Man, are you kidding me? LOL!!!! Sgt Kirk wrote: You all got something 6 x as worse. I can't believe it, I'm agreeing with a Gallente. We do, we certainly do. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2906	Posted - 2014.01.29 08:47:00 - [9] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: First off, prior to the other rifled being released the Ar was the most used rifle, maybe even weapon. While people do try to get weapons thst they don't use nerfed, have youever considered that legitimate points were made in some of the posts? The Scr doesn'tneed a Nerf because unlike therail and combat it has something called a downside. That's a load of bull to claim that the Scr outperforms the rail outside situations where the scr user gets time to charge before being shot. I use the rail rifle, every other rifle kicks identically, how does a charge that short make a difference? Of course a weapon doing the same dps will win if they get the drop on the rr user. Your "nonexistent overheating" comment gave away that you either haven't used the weapon or you're lying. Yes I have. I read every OP sometimes once or twice over, especially a topic concerning a nerfing of the RR. I consider it. Look at the information and judge objectively. If I don't have a counter argument and I see what they see, then I agree with their statement. The problem is, everytime I see a "nerf the RR" post, its never objective. Its starts off very subjective. Usually it begins with "The RR isn't supposed to be good in CQC" Now when I read that, my left eyebrow raises in curiosity. So it's not because of its strength overall. It's not showing signs of being greater than any other weapons. The nerfs are wanted so it can drastically change its performance in CQC. Now that I come to that platform of thought, I begin to wonder, well what if the user is just good with the RR? To maximize your lethality on the field, you explore your weaknesses and that of your weapon so you know how to perform at the most optimal. When I get into CQC, often times, I can "see" the opposing merc smiling because he figures that because I have a RR, I don't know how to shoot it. With strafing, tracking, targeting the cranium/chest region...the RR is vicious in the right hands while in CQC. It turns into a jitter fight since now the enemy is realizing that I'm actually hitting him well with the RR. If I maintain my discipline, he falls. Plus, because of it being rail, you never actually shoot directly unless his mass fills up all the reticule. You lead your target by strafing to you the way you want to so when you fire a shot, he strafes right into its line of fire. Yet there are times when I've gone up against a CR thinking I'm going to win the 1v1 because I just downed some guy. I'm in considerable distance (or least I believe so) from the CR. Distance I believe to be suitable enough to give me some breathing room and lighten the damage. Yet, his finger popping skill and his strafing drops me faster than I expected. Lesson learned. No nerf required. And about the overheating, I have used the SCR. You don't just lay on the trigger. A viziam and the ASCR can drop opponents quickly without gaining much heat. If you fire correctly, pauses between bursts, you won't overheat. Maybe for your standards and people who just lay on the trigger run into that problem but most don't. Most SCR users rarely overheat because they know their weapon. And sir, you are spewing a load of bull if you don't think that the SCR truthfully trumps all weapons in combat. The SCR is a beast and I don't even use it. Doesn't even need a nerf (but it can be argued). The SCR trumps in the right hands. The main problem with the RR (well basicly with all Rifles) is they ALL have comparable DPS ratings, so range is what makes them different and the RR has the longest range coupled with great hipfire accuracy. So while it is equally effective like the CQC weapons it provides way bigger Range thats simply imbalanced. The spool up time is not really a drawback and I don't even noticed the spool up the first few days I used the gun. oh my god...it has taken root. it has grown like a disease on my beautiful petunias. Sir, the RR is made to have range. It is rail technology. This was long discussed before it was released. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2907	Posted - 2014.01.29 09:09:00 - [10] - Quote A CR user will drop a RR user in CQC, if the CR user isn't some newb Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2910	Posted - 2014.01.29 09:35:00 - [11] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Michael Arck wrote: A CR user will drop a RR user in CQC, if the CR user isn't some newb In most scenarios, yes probably. This doesn't mean the RR is still performing better in CQC than it should be. So basically you're still saying since you die alot by the RR in CQC, this should not be? Will that isn't the rifles fault...it is yours. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2911	Posted - 2014.01.29 09:59:00 - [12] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So basically you're still saying since you die alot by the RR in CQC, this should not be? Will that isn't the rifles fault...it is yours. Uh no. I'm saying that (having used it) for a weapon that's designed to be a long range rifle (a role which it does excel at), it performs better than I feel it should in CQC. And I'll recommend you watch the ego. But you weren't saying that until you read this... Korvin Lomont wrote: Yeah but ist stupid to have a weapon that has range and cqc capabillities like the weapons that are supposed to excel in cqc. Or would you like to have a sniper rifle with a ROF 600 and tight hipfire? So you really don't have a defensive argument and I highly doubt that you use the RR. You're just saying that just to win a debate. It's good at long range and it does well in CQC...there's no big deal. There are equal opportunities of death at every turn on the battlefield. Reawaken in your new clone and like the lady who narrates the "Way of the Mercenary" video, you should awaken "wiser...ready for the challenges that lie ahead Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2913	Posted - 2014.01.29 10:08:00 - [13] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Michael Arck wrote: A CR user will drop a RR user in CQC, if the CR user isn't some newb In most scenarios, yes probably. This doesn't mean the RR is still performing better in CQC than it should be. So basically you're still saying since you die alot by the RR in CQC, this should not be? Will that isn't the rifles fault...it is yours. So if I I consistently lose to RR users inside 40m when wielding an AR, but consistently beat AR users when using an RR in the same distance, I'm bad? How exactly are you defending this gun which has identical DPS, longer range, more damage per magazine and has a 'drawback' that's so much less punishing than the ScR's drawback it's not even funny? I mean seriously; I've been using the ScR since it was released; I still die because of overheat every play session. I have died twice thanks to the RR's 'drawback'. In my ADV suit I've destroyed people who came up BEHIND me without my having pre-spooled. If the 'drawback' doesn't kill me when I'm caught by surprise, it's no drawback. And people have been complaining that the ScR was OP ever since aim assist came. You are missing what I am saying. You don't continully walk into a brick wall once that you have. An AR user can die to a SCR and ASCR just as fast. To a CR. Even to the Scrambler pistol. If you know of the power of RR, then your strategy needs to adjust. Not the weapon. It's not an overbearing weapon. It's not a OP weapon. I go on my alts with MLT fits and go up against RR users. I know that I cannot provide them a sizeable hitbox for one. Second, I have to sporadically spray pop them for effectiveness, using the spool time against them. Cover must be used because once the RR begins barking, it will do considerable damage. Once shields are lowered, I might get even more aggressive and begin laying down fire since they haven't been able to get decent shots on me. This shifts momentum causing the opponent to reconsider his battle with me. If I get him to run, he will drop. I'm defending the RR because there are ways around it. Ways, I'm not even going to discuss in detail with you because if I see you on the battlefield, I don't want you to know the weaknesses LOL!. There are supermans in Dust and in Dust there are kryptonites for those supermans. If you're not willing to find those kryptonites, then I don't know what to tell you to have you understand that the RR is fine the way it is. This is with all things in Dust. You have to be a smart player. It's a jungle in New Eden. Most of you provide us RR users with easy targets because you're just crying about it being OP instead of understanding that your skill is UP. That you need to readjust your strategy. When you go up against serious corps instead of pub berries, you will understand this. Tears don't get you paid. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2915	Posted - 2014.01.29 10:17:00 - [14] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: There's kind of a lot arbitrary rhetoric in here, chief. As I said above, the foundation of this game is built on diversity. To help establish this diversity, the game is made with very strong role-based tactics. As such, a gun that's good at everything just doesn't really work. If you want a sort of jack-of-all-trades weapon, that could be alright. But the RR dominates range, and performs decently in CQC; this is fundamentally unbalanced in a game like Dust. You are babbling. If this game is about diversity, then how come your skill isn't diversified? How come your strategy hasn't diversified? The RR isn't good at everything. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]