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Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 191	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:05:00 - [1] - Quote I really cant decide my favorite tank. I used to prefer the Gunnlogi but after getting some more SP into tanks I am loving Maddies too. What do the true tankers drive? Lets say I fit an Ion Cannon, is there a better tank to do this on? If you explain your answer it would be better. You don't have to dumb it down for the masses. I comprehend most of the concepts and strategies the vets use. My buddy pegasis prime says shields are the way but he's biased. He loved them even when they were crap. My pal Herric Arcos swears by armor. These two cats are murder when I see them on the field together. Which do you prefer and why? Please I need advice from the big boys, you MLT tankers are not welcome. I am the real Darken
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3280	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:06:00 - [2] - Quote Soma with MLT railgun, basic armour hardner and basic armour rep. Easy tank, minimal sp used Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1106	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:07:00 - [3] - Quote Rail turret OP. Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 188	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:08:00 - [4] - Quote I have always been a huge fan of the Armour tanks. The white Surya back in chrome.... ahhh <3 I have recently discovered that in a one on one fight I do believe the Gunnlogi has the upper hand if fit with dual 60% shield hardeners, even if only for that brief window of opportunity. If anything both are great. But I really only speak as a Armour tank user.
manboar thunder fist SAM-MIK 29	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:13:00 - [5] - Quote They are just so different. Maddys my fav for brawling for long periods of the match, but its clunky as hell, god a rail turret on it is awful, I hate people who do that. My favourite lolwtf fit for it is 3 complex armour heavy reps, it outheals almost everything and using cover its regen is fantastic The gunnlogi is a classic, must have for anti tank. With an ion cannon a double hardener+extender fit works well but many prefer 1 hardener 1 booster 1 extender for the great "ohmigodcaughybysuprise" capability. A gunnlogi without hardeners is a 2 shot kill, a madrugar without hardeners is a 3 shot kill.* All values are with proto rail gun with dmg mods. 1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy. No, not alive thankfully
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 608	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote ive always wondered how effective a gunlogi with 3 railgun damage mods would be. id also like to see a missile variant one as well.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 191	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:31:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Soma with MLT railgun, basic armour hardner and basic armour rep. Easy tank, minimal sp used I'm way beyond that. These are for newbs. I make flaming wreckage of these about 5times a match. Actually the only weapon I have trouble with is a redline particle accelerator. I am the real Darken
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 346	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:53:00 - [8] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: ive always wondered how effective a gunlogi with 3 railgun damage mods would be. id also like to see a missile variant one as well. There about as effective as tissue paper outside the redline I don't recommend it. Don't get me wrong the alpha is incredible especially with a Particle Cannon or XT-missiles, but your done fore if they ketch you in a reload or with an AV fit. As for the OP's question shields and armor are two very different beasts on vehicles it really comes down to personal preference. My personal fit is a Railgun Gunnlogi. It's a brawler but is mainly used for tank vs tank combat. Its also fit for longevity rather that straight up smack downs. -Particle Cannon (Proficiency lvl 3 for the extra turret turning speed) -2x complex shield hardeners (gives you up to 60 seconds active hardening with a 15 second cool down) -Complex Heavy shield extender (Dose its best to negate high alpha when caught with hardeners down.) -2x complex railgun ammo expansion units (Because Its all that fits) She's not the best at any one thing but its a good solid fit that will see you through many a sica/soma swarm if you know what your doing and keep your head about you. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 392	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:59:00 - [9] - Quote I prefer the Madrugar as I like having the longer running modules and, despite thinking I would absolutely hate it, the passive armor repairer. The Gunnlogi is better at short engagements while the Madrugar is much more of a long term brawler. But let's look at from a point by point thing: Gunnlogi: 60% Shield Hardeners, about the same as running two Armor Hardeners. Much easier to fit as Lows can be used for CPU and PG enhancement. Needs less invested SP as Shield Fitting Optimization is not nearly as required as Armor Fitting Optimization. Turns faster and sharper. Booster is a great emergency button that will nearly completely regenerate your Shields. Combined with a Hardener, it doubles a Tank's health for a single engagement. Naturally more resistant to explosives (AV grenades, Swarms, Remote and Proximity Explosives). Shields Passively Regenerate which means that you don't need a module like the Madrugar does. Missile Turrets are far less of a danger. Hit and Run. Madrugar: Armor Hardeners last much longer and have a shorter cooldown. Madrugars, even with Plates, move faster than Gunnlogis. Armor is more resistant to Blasters than Shields. Being Armor based, the ubiquitous Flux Grenades are a non-threat to Madrugars. Can fit Damage Mods, Mobile CRU, or Scanner without sacrificing tank. Plates give more hit points than Shield Extenders. Less modules to keep track of (reversed from what it was in previous patches). From personal experience, the Madrugar is safer if the enemy gets the drop on you as you won't take too much, if any, Armor damage by the time you turn Hardeners online. Gunnlogis don't have that extra buffer before eating through their essential health so a Railgun shot or two before Hardeners are online really hurts their EHP. Sustained Brawler. I think they are pretty even overall. I don't avoid too much in my Madrugar. If I see a double hardened Gunnlogi, I just fall back and re-engage after his hardeners are down but mine are still on. I move faster so I can outpace him. If you are dead set on using a more advanced blaster, the biggest CPU/PG hogs, I think a Gunnlogi would be a better choice. I think being able to use both is important. I have a Gunnlogi fit built for killing a single Tank in a single engagement. I use that when there is something on the field that my Madrugar can't handle, which has only happened a couple of times. Otherwise, I use my Madrugar as it is more dependable.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 610	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:13:00 - [10] - Quote funnily enough i pilot a sica glass cannon on a daily basis out side of the redline. i mainly use the redline for cover when i bring up tac net to find the enemy tank locations so i can destroy them. so i leave redline alot. i still; have to avoid a mlt swarm with it though.

Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1774	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:25:00 - [11] - Quote Gunlogi no matter the turret. It's powerful shields, quick regent, and agility give it the edge over the madrugar in everything except running away. However, since the madrugar can afford to fit scanners and can be hardened longer, it is the superior infantry killer. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:34:00 - [12] - Quote Shield tanks turn on a dime, but with rail guns usualy hitting before hardeners turn on and rail guns doing extra damage to shields they are usualy 2-3 shotted. Armor tanks turn like a dead pig, but are far more resilant to blasters AND rails (just not missles) takes 3-5+ shots to kill one with a rail.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 193	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:54:00 - [13] - Quote I found some proximity mines with my maddy. God damn those hurt. Its not a prob for a hardened Gunnlogi but a armor is a different animal. I am the real Darken
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1101	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:07:00 - [14] - Quote I mainly do gunnlogi missiles and have an alt for maddy blaster. Since you get all tanks when you train the skill though I have gone maddy on this char with missiles also. Maddy is wonderful with missiles and just basic armor mods but that shows you why tanks are considered unbalanced right now. The gunny has a harder time surviving so depending on the circumstances I roll whichever seems a better tool for the job. I hate the use of Caldari turrets on the Gal tank but with shield tnakng the way it is vs. the mil rail spam I've had to get more pragmatic and less roleplayingy. I hate how missiles are such an SP sink but that makes me deel all the more leet as a tanker by not just taking the cheap scrub blaster/rail route. I pull out the rail when the rail spam starts though. Might as well. It's the only way to beat them when en masse. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Glitch116 Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 32	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:28:00 - [15] - Quote Maddies are the way to go if you want to blaster brawl however maddies turn about as fast as a drunken whale and with a nitro on it is even harder tankes almost half of some of the maps to make a full turn at top speed the gunny however can turn on a damn dime this makes it much easier to track with slow moving rails or missiles it really depends on your play style i am i high speed brawler that likes rush in smash then rush the hell out for this blitz style the maddy is king and the blaster is in its best friend but if you want to wield a rail or missile with the precision of a surgeon then the gunny is the ice queen able to stick those shot right up your enem I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3293	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:22:00 - [16] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Soma with MLT railgun, basic armour hardner and basic armour rep. Easy tank, minimal sp used I'm way beyond that. These are for newbs. I make flaming wreckage of these about 5times a match. Actually the only weapon I have trouble with is a redline particle accelerator. Meh, that's my anti tank tank....actually....that's my only tank..... Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Mortedeamor 1309	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:59:00 - [17] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: I really cant decide my favorite tank. I used to prefer the Gunnlogi but after getting some more SP into tanks I am loving Maddies too. What do the true tankers drive? Lets say I fit an Ion Cannon, is there a better tank to do this on? If you explain your answer it would be better. You don't have to dumb it down for the masses. I comprehend most of the concepts and strategies the vets use. My buddy pegasis prime says shields are the way but he's biased. He loved them even when they were crap. My pal Herric Arcos swears by armor. These two cats are murder when I see them on the field together. Which do you prefer and why? Please I need advice from the big boys, you MLT tankers are not welcome. madrugar iss the best blaster tank..blasters are effective vs shields also adrugars body makes it better in cqc fighting its sleek angles allow you to get under and on top of caldari tech and ride out they're hadenerrs.. the nitrous in the high not pulling away from your tank allow you to both tackle other tanks and break tackle.. where as the gunlogi high accel and low top speed make it purfect for climbing mountainsides so to does the madrugars low accel and high top speed give it the advantage in burst speed for cqc engagments blaster is a slower dmg weapon vs other tanks slow and consistant..and the gallentehardeners and passive repper style suits its use more than caldari burst res and dmg +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quiet irritating
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2883	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:01:00 - [18] - Quote Reading these posts, what I assumed is correct. If I see a Gunloggi, I go after it hardcore with my swarms. If I see a maddie, "its a uh oh" situation. Are there any bad ass tankers who does well in a GunnLoggi? If so, I might need some pointers from you later on. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]


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